interesting article.

I will give WDW credit for trying, they are doing more than most of the hospitality industry. (The one additional thing that I think they could do that wouldn't cost them too much is to regularize their shift structure to make working hours a bit more predictable for baseline employees. I've spoken to CM's about their work, and although they are usually very careful to put a positive spin on things, the one thing that comes up every time as being very difficult for part-timers is that it is almost impossible to get a second job elsewhere or work WDW as a second job, because they usually get very short notice of what the week's shifts will be. Most of the workers I have spoken to say that they are more than willing to work a second job, but that they cannot without breaking WDW's availability rules.)

However, the root of this problem lies not so much with the employers, but with the local and state governments. They are too much in bed with developers, and unwilling to keep them out of areas where the working-class need to be in order to fuel the economy properly. It's not just unskilled laborers, either; it's teachers, and social workers, and bus drivers, and safety inspectors, etc. My DS went to school in Tampa, and he looked into entry-level professional jobs in Orlando. I worked with him to look at how that might work out with paying housing costs and his student loan debt. It took VERY little time to determine that there was really no point at all in looking for a job in the Orlando metro area, because the salaries being offered were inadequate to cover the cost of living, which is ridiculously inflated because so much of the local housing stock is either really high-end, or given over to short-term rental use. The closest affordable places we could find were well over an hour's commute each way, and that would have eaten up everything he made. He stayed in the Tampa area, where in spite of the proximity of the ocean and the number of 55+ restricted communities, there is more affordable housing stock for folks who make working-class money.

If they want to keep the tourism engine running smoothly and help job creation, legislators and county officials in inland central Florida MUST put a curb on development and institute very strict restrictions on where the short-term rental market is allowed to be. Because of all the lakes and cachement ponds that keep Orange, northern Osceola, and eastern Polk counties above water, there is not much usable land left near-into Orlando, and what used to be small postwar homes that once were lived in by agricultural workers and railroad workers and sherriff's deputies is now a forest of HomeAway rentals. There are more than enough hotels and rentals to hold the tourists now; it is time to make a place for the locals. There is a truly dire need for subsizided low-to-middle income housing, and the major employers in the area really need to work with government to get it provided within 45 minutes of those employers' property, and with regular direct bus service provided. As it is now, the plan seems to be to rely on the theme parks hiring only retirees or kids who still live with their parents -- people who don't need to carry market-rate housing costs out of their paychecks.

PS: One of the things that regularizing at least some of the part-time work shifts could do is to make it possible for WDW (and other theme parks if they wish) to offer bus shuttles to outlying lower-cost communities where a lot of their workers live. WDW, for instance, could run shuttles from Lakeland &/or Plant City to the south, Four Corners to the west, the UCF area to the NE, and St. Cloud to the east. Here is an interesting article I read about a similar program undertaken by FedEx in the Mississippi Delta; they bring workers in by bus to work night shift at their hub at the Memphis, TN airport: https://www.wsj.com/articles/fedex-goes-deep-into-mississippi-delta-to-find-workers-11575714601 For low-wage workers who have a long commute, not having to pay for gas or tolls to get to work, and being able to sleep during the drive, makes a HUGE difference in how far a paycheck goes. It's not like Disney doesn't have busses at their disposal. Another possibility, though it would not be as generous, is to set up their fuel contracts to be able to re-sell gasoline to CM's at cost in backstage locations, or to arrange with the fuel companies that lease the on-property gas stations to give CM's a hefty discount on gasoline.
 
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You do realize this is just an example of the many thousands of low wage workers. They don’t all have the same story. Same ppl who are so flippant about her struggle are the ones who constantly whine about those on welfare who don’t work.
Talk about entitlement...I’m special & deserve what I have b/c I “earned” it & it has nothing to do with fortune & those who are less fortunate are beneath me & can starve for all I care.
I was scrolling the article and got to a picture. If that is the woman in question, she is FAR from starving. Could probably cut out $1000/month by not eating double Big Macs every night.
 
I was scrolling the article and got to a picture. If that is the woman in question, she is FAR from starving. Could probably cut out $1000/month by not eating double Big Macs every night.
Wow! You do know it costs more $$ to eat healthier, right? And, I didn’t literally mean starving. I was referring to the general idea that it’s ok to deny ppl basic necessities b/c they are low skilled/low wage workers.
 
I will give WDW credit for trying, they are doing more than most of the hospitality industry. (The one additional thing that I think they could do that wouldn't cost them too much is to regularize their shift structure to make working hours a bit more predictable for baseline employees. I've spoken to CM's about their work, and although they are usually very careful to put a positive spin on things, the one thing that comes up every time as being very difficult for part-timers is that it is almost impossible to get a second job elsewhere or work WDW as a second job, because they usually get very short notice of what the week's shifts will be. Most of the workers I have spoken to say that they are more than willing to work a second job, but that they cannot without breaking WDW's availability rules.)

However, the root of this problem lies not so much with the employers, but with the local and state governments. They are too much in bed with developers, and unwilling to keep them out of areas where the working-class need to be in order to fuel the economy properly. It's not just unskilled laborers, either; it's teachers, and social workers, and bus drivers, and safety inspectors, etc. My DS went to school in Tampa, and he looked into entry-level professional jobs in Orlando. I worked with him to look at how that might work out with paying housing costs and his student loan debt. It took VERY little time to determine that there was really no point at all in looking for a job in the Orlando metro area, because the salaries being offered were inadequate to cover the cost of living, which is ridiculously inflated because so much of the local housing stock is either really high-end, or given over to short-term rental use. The closest affordable places we could find were well over an hour's commute each way, and that would have eaten up everything he made. He stayed in the Tampa area, where in spite of the proximity of the ocean and the number of 55+ restricted communities, there is more affordable housing stock for folks who make working-class money.

If they want to keep the tourism engine running smoothly and help job creation, legislators and county officials in inland central Florida MUST put a curb on development and institute very strict restrictions on where the short-term rental market is allowed to be. Because of all the lakes and cachement ponds that keep Orange, northern Osceola, and eastern Polk counties above water, there is not much usable land left near-into Orlando, and what used to be small postwar homes that once were lived in by agricultural workers and railroad workers and sherriff's deputies is now a forest of HomeAway rentals. There are more than enough hotels and rentals to hold the tourists now; it is time to make a place for the locals. There is a truly dire need for subsizided low-to-middle income housing, and the major employers in the area really need to work with government to get it provided within 45 minutes of those employers' property, and with regular direct bus service provided. As it is now, the plan seems to be to rely on the theme parks hiring only retirees or kids who still live with their parents -- people who don't need to carry market-rate housing costs out of their paychecks.

PS: One of the things that regularizing at least some of the part-time work shifts could do is to make it possible for WDW (and other theme parks if they wish) to offer bus shuttles to outlying lower-cost communities where a lot of their workers live. WDW, for instance, could run shuttles from Lakeland &/or Plant City to the south, Four Corners to the west, the UCF area to the NE, and St. Cloud to the east. Here is an interesting article I read about a similar program undertaken by FedEx in the Mississippi Delta; they bring workers in by bus to work night shift at their hub at the Memphis, TN airport: https://www.wsj.com/articles/fedex-goes-deep-into-mississippi-delta-to-find-workers-11575714601 For low-wage workers who have a long commute, not having to pay for gas or tolls to get to work, and being able to sleep during the drive, makes a HUGE difference in how far a paycheck goes. It's not like Disney doesn't have busses at their disposal. Another possibility, though it would not be as generous, is to set up their fuel contracts to be able to re-sell gasoline to CM's at cost in backstage locations, or to arrange with the fuel companies that lease the on-property gas stations to give CM's a hefty discount on gasoline.

The regularization of shift structure is a growing problem that should be important to those who recognize that our economy is marching further and further into one of a gig economy. Watching a bit of HGTV should help drive home the point that there's less opportunity for profit in affordable housing. Listening to a bit of automotive news brings recognition that, particularly from American auto companies, there's not enough profit margin to make production of base model vehicles worthwhile.

The only way I see Disney making the decision to offer shuttle services to their employees is if they get some type of tax offset (preferably with plenty of PR potential for being a caring employer and/or environmentally conscious) or it makes better financial sense to use more of the developed land space for something profit centered as opposed to parking for employees which doesn't drive revenue.
 

One thing that struck me in the article is how difficult it would be to live in NYC or even 30+ miles away from it making $15.00 per hour.
 
The regularization of shift structure is a growing problem that should be important to those who recognize that our economy is marching further and further into one of a gig economy. Watching a bit of HGTV should help drive home the point that there's less opportunity for profit in affordable housing. Listening to a bit of automotive news brings recognition that, particularly from American auto companies, there's not enough profit margin to make production of base model vehicles worthwhile.

I don't disagree, but the role of government in community planning and management is to balance the interests of profit with those of quality of life, because in the long term, allowing businesses to rape a region's resources in the strict interest of profit destroys communities. Profit is short-term, but when the work is done, the community has to live with the people who do that work, and if you allow companies to create widespread hand-to-mouth living conditions (not just for their own workers, but for others who live and work in the community) then you create a greater public burden that someone, somewhere has to bear. Developers are by nature usually from somewhere else, and the only way to get them to create affordable housing is to either force it by denying permits, or bribe them into it by tax abatements. Florida's taxes are already so low that there is very little left to give away in those terms.

The only way I see Disney making the decision to offer shuttle services to their employees is if they get some type of tax offset (preferably with plenty of PR potential for being a caring employer and/or environmentally conscious) or it makes better financial sense to use more of the developed land space for something profit centered as opposed to parking for employees which doesn't drive revenue.

I don't disagree with this, either, but there is one other scenario, which is the same one that FedEx faced in Memphis: they just could not get enough reliable workers to keep their enterprise in peak operating order. Generational cohorts are shrinking; as boomers die off, there will not be as many folks with reliable outside income to choose from in the worker population. If the majority of their labor pool is priced out of the local housing market, the employer who supplements wages with commuting help will find the pickings easier.

One thing that struck me in the article is how difficult it would be to live in NYC or even 30+ miles away from it making $15.00 per hour.
In some ways it is worse. At least if you are within 50 or so miles of NYC you have reliable public transit available as an option. These folks do not; in the time it takes to commute via Lynx even from Davenport, which is less than 10 miles away, you could nearly work a second full-time job. If you live on a road that reaches Western Way, that's about a 15 minute drive. On a bus, it takes nearly 3 hours, and 3 transfers, including several spots where the bus routes literally retrace the same ground, but where you cannot get off one bus to wait for the other going the other way because there is no pedestrian access to the area. (And the cheapest thing I could find available in Davenport other than a room in someone's home was a 680 sq.ft mobile home; it was just under $1000/mo. , no utilities included. Having lived in mobile homes in the deep South, I'll tell you that the utilities on that would be very high just to keep the mold levels down.)
 
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I don't disagree, but the role of government in community planning and management is to balance the interests of profit with those of quality of life, because in the long term, allowing businesses to rape a region's resources in the strict interest of profit destroys communities. Profit is short-term, but when the work is done, the community has to live with the people who do that work, and if you allow companies to create widespread hand-to-mouth living conditions (not just for their own workers, but for others who live and work in the community) then you create a greater public burden that someone, somewhere has to bear. Developers are by nature usually from somewhere else, and the only way to get them to create affordable housing is to either force it by denying permits, or bribe them into it by tax abatements. Florida's taxes are already so low that there is very little left to give away in those terms.



I don't disagree with this, either, but there is one other scenario, which is the same one that FedEx faced in Memphis: they just could not get enough reliable workers to keep their enterprise in peak operating order. Generational cohorts are shrinking; as boomers die off, there will not be as many folks with reliable outside income to choose from in the worker population. If the majority of their labor pool is priced out of the local housing market, the employer who supplements wages with commuting help will find the pickings easier.

My comments weren't intended to disagree with yours in any way, matter of fact I believe I clicked like on what you had said. I was merely listing some of the "reasoning" that's typically given to explain why corporations are "powerless" to do anything other than what the market "demands" and how they are therefore "forced" to act accordingly. It's also why I don't like to comply with Disney's lip service about guests and cast members and gauchely use customers and employees instead to reflect the company's actual behavior.
 
Wow! You do know it costs more $$ to eat healthier, right? And, I didn’t literally mean starving. I was referring to the general idea that it’s ok to deny ppl basic necessities b/c they are low skilled/low wage workers.
It doesn't cost more to eat a normal healthy meal as opposed to stuffing yourself silly with fast food and junk food to get to that size. And no one denies anyone basic necessities. I have never heard of anyone turned down to taking care of themselves. You just have to be smart with your money.

I live on the equivalent of $9.75/hour after I pay for another household. I have a place to live, my kids have another place to live, my oldest has a place to go to between classes and to get something to eat as I have food. It is heated in the winter and air conditioned in the summer. It's all expensive and I do it. I have $0 left after basic bills and everything extra I get from working overtime (don't tell the ex, child support is already based on them extrapolating my 3 months of overtime because I wanted out of the house at the end of the marriage to $160,000/year. I don't want them to look at my overtime from last winter and think I make $190,000 as I don't make anywhere close to what child support is based on.)

I'm not sure at $11 or $13 or whatever wage it was, why one couldn't afford any of the between $18,000 and $50,000 homes I looked at in the area around Orlando. Or is it no one should have to do what I have to do and live in a trailer?
 
It doesn't cost more to eat a normal healthy meal as opposed to stuffing yourself silly with fast food and junk food to get to that size. And no one denies anyone basic necessities. I have never heard of anyone turned down to taking care of themselves. You just have to be smart with your money.

I live on the equivalent of $9.75/hour after I pay for another household. I have a place to live, my kids have another place to live, my oldest has a place to go to between classes and to get something to eat as I have food. It is heated in the winter and air conditioned in the summer. It's all expensive and I do it. I have $0 left after basic bills and everything extra I get from working overtime (don't tell the ex, child support is already based on them extrapolating my 3 months of overtime because I wanted out of the house at the end of the marriage to $160,000/year. I don't want them to look at my overtime from last winter and think I make $190,000 as I don't make anywhere close to what child support is based on.)

I'm not sure at $11 or $13 or whatever wage it was, why one couldn't afford any of the between $18,000 and $50,000 homes I looked at in the area around Orlando. Or is it no one should have to do what I have to do and live in a trailer?

The system is only unjustly stacked against you and everyone else with a hardship or deprivation only has to be smarter or try harder?
 
It doesn't cost more to eat a normal healthy meal as opposed to stuffing yourself silly with fast food and junk food to get to that size. And no one denies anyone basic necessities. I have never heard of anyone turned down to taking care of themselves. You just have to be smart with your money.

I live on the equivalent of $9.75/hour after I pay for another household. I have a place to live, my kids have another place to live, my oldest has a place to go to between classes and to get something to eat as I have food. It is heated in the winter and air conditioned in the summer. It's all expensive and I do it. I have $0 left after basic bills and everything extra I get from working overtime (don't tell the ex, child support is already based on them extrapolating my 3 months of overtime because I wanted out of the house at the end of the marriage to $160,000/year. I don't want them to look at my overtime from last winter and think I make $190,000 as I don't make anywhere close to what child support is based on.)

I'm not sure at $11 or $13 or whatever wage it was, why one couldn't afford any of the between $18,000 and $50,000 homes I looked at in the area around Orlando. Or is it no one should have to do what I have to do and live in a trailer?
The point was every day is a struggle & if something goes wrong like medical issues, it can set someone back for mos or years. And the dichotomy of workers like her vs the much more fortunate who frequent WDW & the billions the co rakes in. Place like WDW wouldn’t exist if not on the backs of these low wages workers & is it fair that they have to live like they do.
 
WDW could increase wages just from the profits they make from sodas, bottled water and Mickey bars. No employee there should have to struggle.
They can raise wages, but they'll never take it from profits. They won't cut Iger's bonus. If they raise wages, they will cut entertainment or staffing (as we have already seen).
 
They can raise wages, but they'll never take it from profits. They won't cut Iger's bonus. If they raise wages, they will cut entertainment or staffing (as we have already seen).


It was just an example. I recently left a job where those of us who did the dirty work got zero incentives while lazy and incompetent managers cashed huge bonus checks. That’s capitalism.

My point was mainly about them over charging for cheap products.
 
They can raise wages, but they'll never take it from profits. They won't cut Iger's bonus. If they raise wages, they will cut entertainment or staffing (as we have already seen).

Cuts are for the rank and file, the people whose efforts aren't viewed as important or valuable when it comes to compensation. All the valuable and worthwhile efforts every corporation needs is found in the e-suites.
 
It doesn't cost more to eat a normal healthy meal as opposed to stuffing yourself silly with fast food and junk food to get to that size. And no one denies anyone basic necessities. I have never heard of anyone turned down to taking care of themselves. You just have to be smart with your money.

I live on the equivalent of $9.75/hour after I pay for another household. I have a place to live, my kids have another place to live, my oldest has a place to go to between classes and to get something to eat as I have food. It is heated in the winter and air conditioned in the summer. It's all expensive and I do it. I have $0 left after basic bills and everything extra I get from working overtime (don't tell the ex, child support is already based on them extrapolating my 3 months of overtime because I wanted out of the house at the end of the marriage to $160,000/year. I don't want them to look at my overtime from last winter and think I make $190,000 as I don't make anywhere close to what child support is based on.)

I'm not sure at $11 or $13 or whatever wage it was, why one couldn't afford any of the between $18,000 and $50,000 homes I looked at in the area around Orlando. Or is it no one should have to do what I have to do and live in a trailer?
So many assumptions (all incorrect, btw), so little time. You need to get out of your little bubble and see the differences in cost of living and wages around the country.
 
It was just an example. I recently left a job where those of us who did the dirty work got zero incentives while lazy and incompetent managers cashed huge bonus checks. That’s capitalism.

My point was mainly about them over charging for cheap products.
That's everywhere. And yes, that is capitalism. Why not join the lazy and incompetent managers and cash in on all that bonus?
 
He's a white man, it's all stacked against him, dontcha know? /sarcasm off
Seriously, you don't believe? My child support is based on the $35,000 I made in the first quarter of 2015. I made $25/hour then. I made that much that quarter because I was not divorced, but was trying to stay away to stop the fighting on the brink of divorce working 12-16 hours a day 7 days a week. How is it not stacked against someone who makes $40k but pays based on I guess it is $140k?

Point being is I bring home what someone making $9.75/hour is and I can make it. I house and feed my kids. I just finished birthday shopping for my youngest on Saturday and was able to buy her presents. I am able to save the $100/month for my heat for the winter. I am able to pay my car insurance. On top of my rent, I have a car payment. One hiccup was the furnace going out. That was $5k I didn't have since I had just dropped every penny on a $9000 house 6 months prior. So, I am stuck with that 0% loan, but it was necessary. Then again, no matter what, this board thinks you should have no debt, so I suppose I should have just sucked it up and spent Christmas with my kids in a 4° house.

I gave a brief lookup on zillow in places for sale under $50k. It gave me I think 16 places between $18 and 50,000.
 













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