Independent Condominium Association?

Would you be interested in organizing an association independent of Disney influence?

  • Yes.

  • No.

  • I'm intrigued but want to know more.


Results are only viewable after voting.
I voted "I'm intrigued but want to know more" because as Dean had pointed out, the POS states there is 'representation of membership on the board of directors' which I do not think is the case and I feel it should be.

Dean : More owner representation would be a good thing and is actually legislated in the POS. The problem is the POS contains conflicting information that legislates membership on the board but also in different places signs over our voting rights to DVC. Likely a better approach would be to push for that portion of the POS to be enforced so there were actually regular members on the BOD. The only other approach would be to petition for separation which I think is the only was to have a separate entity. DVC could certainly set up an advisory panel, I suggested that to them in writing 10 years ago.
 
Dean,

Any association’s legal charter can limit the activities that the corporation may engage in so it is possible to structure it as an information and advocacy association.

bookwormde
 
And that's a really good thing.

Condo/Homeowner associations don't work for the good of the members. They work for the good of the association and for the pet interests of the association board members. And, unfortunately, there tends to be a strong negative correlation between "the kind of people you want to represent you" and "the kind of people who are interested in association boards".

You could not be more correct about how homeowners associations work.
 
I voted "I'm intrigued but want to know more" because as Dean had pointed out, the POS states there is 'representation of membership on the board of directors' which I do not think is the case and I feel it should be.

Even if a DVC member managed to get on the board of directors, it would be a token victory at best, since they could easily be outvoted by the other board members.
 

NO WAY, can't even get the HOA for may neighborhood of less than 40 homes to agree on cutting the grass in the common area and you want over 100,000 owners to agree.

EXACTLY the same here. We have 43 lots and two common lots. It has always (22 years) been a contentious issue. Just cutting the grass! I served on that board 5 times, but never again. :crazy:
 
Absolutely not. There have been frankly some insane ideas floated around here over the years that have had a lot of popularity. I really don't need to pay dues into another organization so DVC members can lobby for things that would make my membership work a lot worse - or cost me a lot more in DVC dues because the members want to implement circuses.

That's EXACTLY what I was refering to in my statement back on page one! If we had the 100,000 plus members making the rules, it would be a horse put together by a committee!! (camel)
 
I may be naive, but have thought that the Dis gives us some voice in DVC politics and planning, albeit a small one. That involves assuming that someone at DVC peruses these boards, and then takes the issues to the table. I am very grateful to the Dis for keeping me current on changes in the DVC.
 
Fair enough, Rob. I can't argue with that. I would like to propose a question, if I may.

Why would we not want representation? Why wouldn't we want to leverage the potential leverage we have to our own advantage (in a good way)?

Help me understand why I'm on the wrong side of this black and white issue.

This is an interesting topic to say the least. However; We do not agree with doing this “association” because it could easily turn into something like the UAW and put the squeeze on the DVC. Not saying it will, just saying (IMO) that it could.

Also, didn’t we all sign a contract? Aren’t there certain clauses in the contract that state what DVC can and cannot change without notifying us? If we are not notified and they are contractually obligated to notify us then we can all stand up and request legal action. If they make a non contract binding change (i.e. the changes they made to the 2010 points charts) then we don’t have a voice anyways. Yes, we can call and complain or send nasty grams but that will not make any difference. As I recall the contract tells us of some of the items they (DVC) have a right to change without notice. Mine did…

Anyways; it would be fun to gather together and sing Kum Ba Ya, do some pin trading, swap trip stories, margarita recipes (YUM), and to discuss ideas that we could submit to DVC. But; there are threads on DISBoards that mention that Disney doesn’t take or use publicly submitted ideas for legal reasons. I have also seen that sort of statement on a Website somewhere. If I can find them again I’ll post a link.

If you have a problem or concern with what you feel you are not getting out of your DVC membership, call your CM and discuss it; or contact www.*********.com for assistance.

Good Idea; just don’t think it will fly with DVC.

:surfweb:
 
I voted no because I don't think it would have any power. Disney has the contract written up in a way that they have total control. It's like a group of USAir disgrunted frequent flyers who got together to form a group (FFOCUS). They got nowhere.

indeed

I may be naive, but have thought that the Dis gives us some voice in DVC politics and planning, albeit a small one. That involves assuming that someone at DVC peruses these boards, and then takes the issues to the table. I am very grateful to the Dis for keeping me current on changes in the DVC.

it's disturbing to think that what whisper of a collective voice we have is only recognized by eavesdropping:rolleyes1

i'd like to think that our calls & emails are the best route, know with the dining plan I was told that the large volume of requests was the reason behind it being offered after the 1st year:thumbsup2.

just because DVC doesn't act upon what appears to be a popular suggestion stated here or via the above methods, doesn't mean they are ignoring our input...just not necessarily valuing it:rolleyes:
 
This is an interesting topic to say the least. However; We do not agree with doing this “association” because it could easily turn into something like the UAW and put the squeeze on the DVC. Not saying it will, just saying (IMO) that it could.

Also, didn’t we all sign a contract? Aren’t there certain clauses in the contract that state what DVC can and cannot change without notifying us? If we are not notified and they are contractually obligated to notify us then we can all stand up and request legal action. If they make a non contract binding change (i.e. the changes they made to the 2010 points charts) then we don’t have a voice anyways. Yes, we can call and complain or send nasty grams but that will not make any difference. As I recall the contract tells us of some of the items they (DVC) have a right to change without notice. Mine did…


:surfweb:

while i appreciate your opinion, i am compelled to give u my experience on the statement you made

I find it interesting that you manage to work in a reference to disparage the UAW:sad2: in regard to a proposed unofficial condo association:confused:.

So many factors in play w/auto industry's failure that cannot be dumped upon joe 6pack's beer belly:rolleyes1 . FYI, most large unions in PIT have re-opened their contracts more than once in last few years to keep their members working:teacher: & most of the 'new hires' (think those employed in last 20 years) in the area steel mills now have college degrees, many post graduate....to stereotype them as dumb mill hunks is incorrect:confused3

RE the 2nd portion of your post i highlighted...a contract is a binding agreement...until the lawyers say it isn't:upsidedow. You think it'd go both ways...yet very doubtful DVC would reopen the contract based upon many member's circumstances changing.
 
I want no part of an association. My voice may be small but I want it to be MY VOICE with MY concerns not what others "think".

What does DVC need to get their attention? One voice, one letter or thousands of individual voices and letters filing in. IMHO
 
i'd like to think that our calls & emails are the best route, know with the dining plan I was told that the large volume of requests was the reason behind it being offered after the 1st year:thumbsup2.

What does DVC need to get their attention? One voice, one letter or thousands of individual voices and letters filing in. IMHO

I agree. I think they pay more attention when they get bombarded with thousands of individual voices/opinions. Didn't this play out last year with the studios changing over to paper plates and cups? I might not be remembering correctly but I thought that so many members voiced their dissatisfaction with the change that DVC changed back to the original mugs, dishes, etc.
 
And that's a really good thing. :surfweb:

Condo/Homeowner associations don't work for the good of the members. They work for the good of the association and for the pet interests of the association board members. And, unfortunately, there tends to be a strong negative correlation between "the kind of people you want to represent you" and "the kind of people who are interested in association boards".

That's why I voted NO!
 
Dean,

Any association’s legal charter can limit the activities that the corporation may engage in so it is possible to structure it as an information and advocacy association.

bookwormde
Not really in this case. If it's independent, it's not limited. If it's limited, it's not independent. That's not to say some type of advisory board is a bad thing, I think it's a good thing and as I said, made this suggestion to Ken May in writing backin the late 90's. I think anything to pushes members views to the forefront could be good. Actually we could do this on our own if we wanted and even force mailings to members if we were willing to foot the costs of the mailings.
 
Also, didn’t we all sign a contract? Aren’t there certain clauses in the contract that state what DVC can and cannot change without notifying us? If we are not notified and they are contractually obligated to notify us then we can all stand up and request legal action. If they make a non contract binding change (i.e. the changes they made to the 2010 points charts) then we don’t have a voice anyways. Yes, we can call and complain or send nasty grams but that will not make any difference. As I recall the contract tells us of some of the items they (DVC) have a right to change without notice. Mine did…
We all signed things and assumed risks and controls including from the state of FL, POS, etc. There is conflicting info in this case as to representation. Some think DVC has gotten too focused on things other than the members and a healthy club which they are legally required to uphold. DVC's has no responsibility in DVD's or Disney's bottom line going forward and it is actually illegal for them to further Disney's best interest to the detriment of the members.
 
This is the kind of thing I go to WDW to get away from! If someone is so unhappy with the DVC that they want to take it over, then they should sell their membership. I don't want to micro manage my Happy Place.
 
That's not to say some type of advisory board is a bad thing, I think it's a good thing and as I said, made this suggestion to Ken May in writing backin the late 90's. I think anything to pushes members views to the forefront could be good.
But what's the purpose of the board? Is the board supposed to pass along their own opinions? If so, why are their opinions more important than anyone else's? Or do they supposed to collect the opinions of the members-at-large and pass those along to Disney? If so, why do we need a board in the middle; I can just pass my opinions directly?
 
But what's the purpose of the board? Is the board supposed to pass along their own opinions? If so, why are their opinions more important than anyone else's? Or do they supposed to collect the opinions of the members-at-large and pass those along to Disney? If so, why do we need a board in the middle; I can just pass my opinions directly?
It would be to have direct exchange with the BOD. To be sure that issues were being heard at that level and to concentrate those issues. Now we really don't know what's heard and what's not and even how it's presented. They work in a vacuum. It'd also serve as somewhat of an accountability system. Better still would be to have members directly on the BOD. It's called representative government. It would not stop anyone from sending their concerns in the same way they do now.
 



















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