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[gigi1313]

ITA!

help the slow girl here... what does "ITA" stand for?

 

[ChrisK]

help the slow girl here... what does "ITA" stand for?

I'm guessing 'I totally agree' ?

 

[rejobako]

My two-cents (or dime-bag ) opinion is that I see no reason to differentiate between alcohol or mind/mood altering drugs. Cigarettes are different, IMO, because although they have a physiological effect, they don't affect judgment or perception in any tangible way.

I'm big on personal freedoms, but even more so I think we need to crack down on personal responsibility. I don't think the government should be in the business of curtailing what I do, or what you do, unless I abuse the privilege. So I realize this is an unpopular opinion, but I think all the laws against drug use should be taken off the books. On the other hand, I think that the penalties for those who harm others while under the influence of drugs or alcohol should be dramatically increased.

BTW -- if it makes any difference, I drink alcohol on occasion, but I don't smoke or use illegal drugs. Who am I to judge some guy puffing on a joint while I sip on my dirty martini?

 

[TCPluto]

How do you feel about the legality of alcohol and tobacco? I have great respect for your opinion that drugs should remain illegal - I actually wouldn't campaign for legalization of any drug. I think it's silly to think that marijuana is any worse than alcohol - but after that many years in law enforcement, I'm sure you know just how bad alcohol-related incidents can get. I just think the current enforcement policies have shown themselves to be marginally effective at best, and have allowed, once again, for an underculture of violence to add to the already destructive nature of many drugs.

Knowing what we know about alcohol and tobacco now, and if they were never legal, I doubt they we could or should legalize them. It's kind of hindsight though, they are legal.

I think it's ridiculous to equate marijuana and alcohol, and that's after being around thousands of users and abusers of each.

The current enforcement activities have had a great deal of success. Complete success? No, but better than the alternative you propose, no enforcement.

Would legalization cut the violence? Nope, not even a little bit.

 

[Evil Queen]

I've never smelt it at any of the WDW parks, but have several times when Opryland was open in Nashville. People would ride the skyride and smoke it up there. I think I've smelled it at the WDW resorts though.

And I also agree, I'll take someone stoned on pot over a drunk anyday. I have a beer now and then, but I think there should be personal limits on this.

 

[GeologyRocks]

How do you explain away the effects of legalization in other countries? Admittedly, Americans seem to tend more towards addictive personalities. I still think that funneling funding into honest education (I'm all for graphic education - and push the statistics - teach these kids about personal responsibility) would have a better net effect than an enforcement policy that has the horrible whiplash of providing sweet profits with which to buy newer and better weapons.

Prove me wrong - tell me how this isn't JUST what we went through with prohibition. Show me studies that say that what we're doing is the best idea. Tell me why you don't think it's worth looking at new options to do a better job of protecting Americans. I believe what I believe because I've read up on the topic and I really think that the current policies do more harm than good. I'm also big on personal responsibility, and I rather like the idea of a sort of decriminalization where we ignore the drug use until the person is brought in on another charge. You get a drug dealer caught beating up some kid? Assault on a minor + >4oz on him should face STIFF penalties. A girl hurt someone with her car and turned out to have just done lines in the Walt Disney bathroom? Throw the book at her. Get real studies funded regarding different drugs and impairment, just like alcohol, so you can show just how reckless they are being. Maybe I'm an optimist, but I think that if you educate people you can accomplish the same basic goal without real rights infringement, without the many costs of the war on drugs

 

[fakereadhed]

Because it is a foundation of civilized society.

No one is judging anyone.

The law was ludicrous (perhaps). Respect for the law was not.

Correct. Great injustice still takes place in our society today, and that injustice is fostered by today's laws. 100 years from now we'll look back on some of the illegal things people are doing today and wonder why they were illegal. We'll also look back at some of the legal things people are doing today and wonder why they were legal. Hindsight is 20/20 and only the most arrogant people would presume to know what the future morality will be. What we do know now is what is acceptable and proper now.

That's a rationalization for poor behavior, nothing more.

I do not do drugs, but I suddenly feel the need for something to calm me after reading this...

 

[jarrdisney]

This thread is just funny. Everyone's got their panties in a bunch. I have never seen or smelled weed in WDW, but I would rather smell that than ciggarette smoke. I'm not fond of pot (smoking it that is) but I'm also not a cop or a disney employee. As long as it's done in the smoking section I really don't care. And when your kid asks you say..."He/she is smoking...don't do that...it causes cancer." The moral debate is overdone. Everyone should just agree to disagree. But when I come out the bathroom after snorting my nasonex and I get accosted by a CM...I will blame those that feel the need to tattle-tale.

 

[rejobako]

I think it's ridiculous to equate marijuana and alcohol, and that's after being around thousands of users and abusers of each.

If by this you mean you believe there is a legitimate reason that alcohol is legal but marijuana is not, I'd like to hear your reasoning . . .

 

[ahoff]

And why is marijuana illegal in the first place?

http://www.theagitator.com/archives/002065.php

 

[TCPluto]

How do you explain away the effects of legalization in other countries? Admittedly, Americans seem to tend more towards addictive personalities. I still think that funneling funding into honest education (I'm all for graphic education - and push the statistics - teach these kids about personal responsibility) would have a better net effect than an enforcement policy that has the horrible whiplash of providing sweet profits with which to buy newer and better weapons.

Prove me wrong - tell me how this isn't JUST what we went through with prohibition. Show me studies that say that what we're doing is the best idea. Tell me why you don't think it's worth looking at new options to do a better job of protecting Americans. I believe what I believe because I've read up on the topic and I really think that the current policies do more harm than good. I'm also big on personal responsibility, and I rather like the idea of a sort of decriminalization where we ignore the drug use until the person is brought in on another charge. You get a drug dealer caught beating up some kid? Assault on a minor + >4oz on him should face STIFF penalties. A girl hurt someone with her car and turned out to have just done lines in the Walt Disney bathroom? Throw the book at her. Get real studies funded regarding different drugs and impairment, just like alcohol, so you can show just how reckless they are being. Maybe I'm an optimist, but I think that if you educate people you can accomplish the same basic goal without real rights infringement, without the many costs of the war on drugs

Legalization has been an abject failure for the countries that have gone that route. The cost to those governments has been astounding, as has been the cost to their citizens health and well being.

Yeah, education has worked for alcohol and tobacco, right?? Let's just show everyone how to use coke, meth, xtc in moderation, right?

Oh yes, the personal responsibility movement. Known otherwise as the legalize drugs movement. While your big on personal responsibility, I'm big on seeing what the personal responsibility movement is really all about.

Your arguements make no sense in the real world, sorry.

 

[snusnu]

Ok, I'll agree that we've all done stupid things at one point in our lives. However, their are certain places that require a greater degree of self control. I wouldn't have sex in a church and I wouldn't crack jokes at a funeral. Many adults enjoy Disney World, but on the whole it is a place for families and children. Smoking pot is currently illegal and kids should not have to be exposed to it. I'm glad you draw the line at "shooting up", but there are a lot of things between that and pot. Maybe you would be ok with people doing lines at Crystal Palace. I say if someone is not responsible enough to avoid illegal acts around children, then they should be reported.

Exactly. Should children really be breathing in the second hand smoke? They are considerably more sensitive than most adults to chemical pollutants. And God, it stinks. I would be seriously pissed if someone were lighting up anything near me. And what an excellent example to set for the children. Eh, it's illegal, but it's not bothering me, so it's fine!

 

[ahoff]

Well, put this in your pipe and smoke it!

http://www.illuminati-news.com/marijuana-conspiracy.htm

I would also have to question how much of a failure it is in countries where it is legal. Do a lot of travel to Geneva and the folks there look pretty healthy and happy. Not that it is totally legal. You can grow it but not sell it.

 

[Goobergal99]

Why is it rediculous to compare marijuana and alcohol

And please don't BS me and say because alcohol is legal because that is such a cop out answer

 

[TCPluto]

Why is it rediculous to compare marijuana and alcohol

And please don't BS me and say because alcohol is legal because that is such a cop out answer

For the pro legalization folks, no arguement, study, or set of facts will convince, of this I'm certain.

 

[java]

Yes we smelled it at a similar spot that someone else mentioned between SM and the COP. It was a huh? did I just smell that and DH says did you catch that?.... But then it was gone. So back to the original ? Yes I was surprised to smell it at the Magic Kingdom. Epcot maybe you know the hydroponics and all... but the MK?
Oh and the difference between Alcohol and Pot in my book is that I have never caught a buzz off of smelling some drunk person....but pot is a different story. So yes I think there is a difference in public consumption of the 2.

 

[Evil Queen]

Do people really get "buzzed", "stoned" by just catching a whiff of the stuff? I find that so hard to believe.

Even at concert's sending in a close area to pot smoker's I have never caught a buzz or gotten stoned.

 

[soupy11]

Would legalization cut the violence? Nope, not even a little bit

This is one of the most ridiculous things stated on this thread. How much violence do you see in the alcohol manufacturing and distribution industry????

Maybe the odd guy gets p/o'd that his pension fund got hijacked and takes it out on the skinny guy in HR....


Come ON!!!!

 

[soupy11]

Do people really get "buzzed", "stoned" by just catching a whiff of the stuff? I find that so hard to believe.

Even at concert's sending in a close area to pot smoker's I have never caught a buzz or gotten stoned.

Unless your in the Mystery Van with Scoob and the gang breathing in their sleuth-solving smoke, it's going to be awful hard to catch a buzz off of second hand smoke.

 

[TCPluto]

This is one of the most ridiculous things stated on this thread. How much violence do you see in the alcohol manufacturing and distribution industry????

Maybe the odd guy gets p/o'd that his pension fund got hijacked and takes it out on the skinny guy in HR....


Come ON!!!!

I'm sure you've lived and worked much closer to the problem than I, so I'll defer to your opinion. You're infinelty more informed. Well, maybe not.

To think that the the illicit supply and all the associated ills would go away with legalization is completely wrong.

But what do I know.