Inappropriate topic 420?

[remmy_7]

In all honesty, I've never smelled people smoking pot in Disney, and even if i did, I wouldn't alert the authorities..because I'm there to enjoy my vacation and so are they. I'm not there to start making accusations against a person or persons that I think are smoking it. Maybe if I were a parent, I'd feel a different way, but I'm not..so this is how I feel about this situation at this moment in time.

 

[mybgirl]

hi never 2004 and 2005 never

mary

 

[rie'smom]

Are you serious? You wouldn't report it if you saw someone snorting cocaine at WDW?

I absolutely would not report it. As I stated,I beleive in personal responsibility. What this person is doing does not affect me. If someone is doing something which affects the welfare of others,then I would report it.

 

[freckles and boo]

" Is civilized the society we live in today? There are countless laws governing nearly every aspect of life, but I would consider our society quite uncivilized when compared to, for example, the society of Native Americans before colonization who weren't governed by an intricate system of laws but, rather, relied on nature and thier own moral compass to guide them through life in a very civilized manner."



There was/is not one society of Native Americans but hundreds. They were/are human with human strengths and weaknesses, so to generalize that all lived in peace and harmony is silly. And whether you call them laws or not, most societies expect members to behave within accepted mores. I expect as a member of the modern American society (civilized or not) is that I can go to Disney World with my kids and not have to deal with people doing drugs in public. Enough people believe that to be the case that it has become law. If you don't like a law it is your privilege to work for change.

 

[soupy11]

We saw a guy smoking a joint at typhoon lagoon two weeks ago. We just about fell off our chairs at the set of brass ba**s on the guy. Very risky.

Being from Canada, this is a common sight in public here, but down in Florida I just assumed that people would be more discrete about it.

Although, morally I would rather my child be in the prescence of someone a bit high on pot than drunk off their *** on alcohol. But with that said, I don't think either should be the norm at Walt Disney World.

 

[Sammie]

I absolutely would not report it. As I stated,I beleive in personal responsibility. What this person is doing does not affect me. If someone is doing something which affects the welfare of others,then I would report it.

If under the influence of a drug this person drives a car and hits someone walking in the parking lot, then yes it does affect the welfare of others.

 

[msgrimm23]

The second-hand effects are not significantly different from the effects of slightly more second-hand cigarette smoke, and children regularly encounter much more than "slightly more" second-hand cigarette smoke, during visits to WDW.

I would be more concerned about children being exposed to the illegality than to the smoke itself.

with the new law at dw you have to go to a designated smoking areas that are off the beat a path. you choose to walk through there. i personlly get mad when i am playing by the rules and others are smoking all over the park but when you come from another country you do not no.

 

[PrincessKitty1]

DH and I go to WDW about 8 times per year and have never smelled any pot (lots and lots and LOTS of cigarettes,though). DH and I don't use any illegal drugs (we've been known to quaff the legal ones around the World Showcase though!). But I would not report it because I think it's a victimless crime.

 

[rie'smom]

If under the influence of a drug this person drives a car and hits someone walking in the parking lot, then yes it does affect the welfare of others.

You are right. If someone has a heart attack because they are overweight and hits someone in the parking lot or if someone has high blood pressure because they haven't taken their meds and hits someone in the parking lot, or if someone rides Mission Space and hasn't had a full medical check-up and dies due to an unknown medical condition and if all the ifs were skiffs ,we'd go for a ride.

 

[slug]

" Is civilized the society we live in today? There are countless laws governing nearly every aspect of life, but I would consider our society quite uncivilized when compared to, for example, the society of Native Americans before colonization who weren't governed by an intricate system of laws but, rather, relied on nature and thier own moral compass to guide them through life in a very civilized manner."



There was/is not one society of Native Americans but hundreds. They were/are human with human strengths and weaknesses, so to generalize that all lived in peace and harmony is silly. And whether you call them laws or not, most societies expect members to behave within accepted mores. I expect as a member of the modern American society (civilized or not) is that I can go to Disney World with my kids and not have to deal with people doing drugs in public. Enough people believe that to be the case that it has become law. If you don't like a law it is your privilege to work for change.

I hope I didn't give you the impression that I support doing drugs in WDW. I personally think it's horrible to do drugs in the vicinity of children. And WDW is private property and has the right to make whatever rules it wants.

My comments were some philosophical opinions and nothing more. I don't even think it's debatable that you should be able to go to WDW with your kids and not have to worry about anyone doing drugs.

 

[bicker]

I would be more concerned about children being exposed to the illegality than to the smoke itself.

with the new law at dw you have to go to a designated smoking areas that are off the beat a path. you choose to walk through there.

Same with the pot, presumably. No difference there.

 

[slug]

I'm human and I believe you're wrong. Does that mean you are wrong? Of course not. So formal input from society is necessary to determine right and wrong in cases where reasonable people disagree.

Now we're taking apples and oranges. I'm talking about a person's "actions" and you're talking my "opinions"

You feel my opinion is wrong. And you very well may be right. But there will never be a way of knowing that. It's only your opinion and my opinion.

By that quote up there that you quoted me on, I was talking about an action. When you do something, it's either right or wrong at the time you are doing it regardless of how the law defines it.

If In steal a TV it's wrong. If I'm dying, and the only way to survive is to steal water from a store, then that is not wrong. Both are ILLEGAL, and may be punishable by the law, but that does not make it wrong.

 

[slug]

This really bears no relevance to the arguement. The law is the law, and will be used (enforced) regardless of the morality. You can argue that the law is useless, because it is superceded by what is morally "right" but that won't play out in the real world. Just because an individual's morals object to the law, doesn't necessarily invalidate the law. This is proven over and over again because people go to jail all the time, thinking that their actions were right at the time of the crime. Most of us would steal food to feed our starving family...but we would still be in violation of the law if caught. It makes good fodder for philosophical debate, but in the end it won't fly in the real world.

And in the end, all it is, is fodder for philosophical debate.

And I would disagree strongly that people go to jail "all the time" thinking that their actions were right at the time.

To your point about stealing food - You are in violation of the law whether you are caught or not - same as every other law.

 

[bicker]

If you smoke pot at WDW it's wrong. If you do it somewhere where pot is legal, it isn't wrong. The law makes the difference.

 

[Sammie]

You are right. If someone has a heart attack because they are overweight and hits someone in the parking lot or if someone has high blood pressure because they haven't taken their meds and hits someone in the parking lot, or if someone rides Mission Space and hasn't had a full medical check-up and dies due to an unknown medical condition and if all the ifs were skiffs ,we'd go for a ride.

At this time I don't think any thing you listed is illegal and against the law. There is a difference, I think you are grasping at straws.

If any of the things you listed happened, it would be a horrible accident.

If someone uses illegal drugs, then drives impaired, and hits someone it is a criminal act. Big Difference.

 

[rie'smom]

At this time I don't think any thing you listed is illegal and against the law. There is a difference, I think you are grasping at straws.

I'm not grasping,merely making a statement that you were making suppositons.
The feelings and thoughts that I have posted throughout this thread were mine. Whether or not you choose to feel the same way is your personal choice.
You are getting a little personal and so I am not going to respond anymore. The discussion we are having is futile.

 

[bicker]

Well it is Page 7, rie'smom. It's not like this is Page 2 or Page 3, eh?

 

[freckles and boo]

I hope I didn't give you the impression that I support doing drugs in WDW. I personally think it's horrible to do drugs in the vicinity of children. And WDW is private property and has the right to make whatever rules it wants.

My comments were some philosophical opinions and nothing more. I don't even think it's debatable that you should be able to go to WDW with your kids and not have to worry about anyone doing drugs.

I have no doubt . Most people here seem thoughtful. As you can tell, I am new at this and probably take it a little too seriously. However, I still feel strongly that people under the influence of substances (legal and illegal) often behave unpredictably and sometimes recklessly. In my experience, pot users tend to be harmless. But to turn a blind eye to a potentially dangerous situation is irresponsible, even if you aren't personally affected.

 

[disneynewbee]

I wasn't being judgmental. What I meant was I'm not perfect. You know the saying,to paraphrase- before you talk about the splinter in your neighbor's eye,you should notice the log in your own.

Someone asked about snorting lines-well,I've seen that too,in the MK of all places. Why would it help if I ran and told someone? I personally don't do drugs.
Notice the personally and to me that's what it's about-personal responsibility.
Now if I saw someone trying to force drugs on someone else or carrying a weapon-in other words,doing something that could harm others,that's a different story. If people choose to do something that may cause harm to themselves,that,at least to me,is a personal decision.

I don't agree with turning our heads on someone doing drugs in a public area just because we aren't doing it and it is not affecting us. Drugs (maybe not pot but hard core) like the person you saw doing lines can lead to violence. It is a proven fact and you can look at alot of crime statistics on murder and violence and alot of it can be traced to drugs and drug deals. Therefore someone doing drugs in a public area is affecting others and putting others at risk. Not to mention I don't know if you have children but I do and it is not acceptable for my children to be exposed to that environment..period..

Drugs are not a victimless crime ask the family of victims caught in the crossfire and killed in drug disputes or the people scared to leave there homes in there own neighborhoods because of the drug deals on the corners and the fear of getting shot.

 

[slug]

If you smoke pot at WDW it's wrong. If you do it somewhere where pot is legal, it isn't wrong. The law makes the difference.

If you smoke pot at WDW it IS wrong - I agree.

Here's where we differ: In Boston, smoking pot in the privacy of your own home is illegal; In Amsterdam, it is not illegal.

Smoking pot is either right or wrong. I don't know what the answer is. But it's one or the other.

There is no logical reason why present geographical location is relevant to whether something is right or wrong. Legal or illegal maybe, but those are 2 entirely different things.

Killing your wife for committing adultry is wrong. There are some countries where this would not be illegal. Does that mean it's right? Of course not. It's wrong regardless of what the law says about it.