In search of my body...not the one I ate!

[SeptemberGirl]

Sarah, you're not bringing it down. We want to know what's going on. I'm so glad you were able to bring your dad home. Nick's uncle went through something similar, and it was really nice for everyone to be able to go over and see him and say goodbye and for our cousins to have their dad at home. It's an awful time but hospice can help to make it easier on all of you. Hang in there, and I will pray for peace for all of you.

 

[Dizneydawn]

Okay...incase anyone was wondering and thinking I had gotten the Bubonic plague and was in quarintine...I am at a point...
It is the Tax quarantine....and I need to be done to come out...

Chad sprung all this info I did not plan into my Tax spreadsheet of hours needed...and thus...choking myself right now over it...

I will let you know the outcome...please pray it is not tooo bad...

Tupperware is going strong finally..it is feast or famine and I need feast right now...

Here is my too long replies for the past few days..

Plus I did send out the magnet people finally this morning...late..yes...but truthfully...copy pasting addresses..deleting weights and making sure no same state was being sent...took almost 2 hours and I did not have time until this morning that I dedicated to it..

Our weather blows chunks...sleet and snow slush all day yesterday...plus today through tomm 3 inches total...we were supposed to get 6-12 but it warmed up enough to not be snow yesterday...

Duluth...where Dan and I went Easter weekend...was 16 inches last night..65 miles an hour winds...

WTH...BLIZZARD IN MID APRIL!!!

This is a record for MN even...the latest the Mississippi has ever opened for barge traffic in history...

I am moving as soon as Baylor graduates.....I will have a U-haul at his ceremonies and as soon as the diploma hits his hands..."See Ya.."

Update on Dan...

He may need bail money...his ex had said that they would file jointly since they were legally married all last year...she had been dodging his call..he asked her finally on Tuesdy...
"are we filing an extension or what?"
she said.."I filed already"....she is not answering his questions on if she took both girls for deductibles...from what he has gathered from the IRS..she took all the deductibles....and now is screwed on his taxes until their final papers are signed in the next month and hopefully the judge will force her to make an ammendment to her taxes...But for now....he is very upset...she also is claiming "Innocent Spouse" for the taxes they owed from when they owned the bar....(they got audited last year and he has worked his hind end off to reduce the amount the IRS said they owed...$14,000 roughly and due to his mtgs with them and proving everything...is down to less than $5,000...

He has logged in over 40 hours doing this at least...and now...she is saying...I did not have anything to do with the business...

They were both listed as owners...

How can she be on all the documents....signed for all the deliveries since she was the mgr and Dan was traveling and never there... and now...she is an innocent party... and they went to Disney though in 2005...

Again...I do not get people who try and take all they can and not be responsible for any fallout for anything negative...

Okay...sorry for rant...but between him and I and Tax attorney meetings for both of us..this week has been Hades..(See 3 dis kids..I learned to spell )

Quick drive by...

It's official. I have lost 50lbs.

I wanted to share that with you guys right away. Thanks for everything!

I am so PROUD!!!!

Just a quickie.

This could be part of the problem....

Jodi, I just load up on good snacks, made really easy to grab. Like, cut up carrots and celery and put hummus into little Tupperware containers (like my plug, Dawn???) and grab that. The 100 calorie packs work on the road, and I also make serving size bags of wheat crackers or pretzels. Then you can snack happy!

Such a butt kisser...love that...



It sounds like a blast - how cool for your son to play at Disney!
I meant to rspond to this earlier...Treyner and Carsyn danced there at the Galaxy theater in October of 2005...sooo fun...


So. Today on my way home from work, I stopped by a gym. Then another one. Then another and another. I toured them and then came home and made an Excel file - prices, impressions, pros and cons. Because what is the life of a Virgo without an Excel spreadsheet? Then I spoke to my husband about it. Then, my friends, I joined a gym. No sh$t. Me, who lost 50lbs by exercising as little as possible.

It was time. I'm going to knock this last 40lbs out of the water, out of my life. I'm going to get healthy and strong. Tomorrow I sign the papers and make the appt for my first training session. Wow. I still can't believe it!

I need to get to the YMCA and get into a routine...Great choice..and maybe losing the weight first then excersizing did not make it too overwhelming to you...

How does anyone do this without the Body Board? You guys are the BEST!!!

That gives me tingles...

Lower-body massage sounds kinda kinky.
It is if you are doing it right...

And SeptGirl, I agree. This board is a lifesaver.

We are sweet and some of us are alittle fruity...

No kidding! I never would have come this far without you guys!

Makes me feel great!!

Nah, the lower body massage was not kinky at all! Just legs (cause it is a runners' massage)...but still, it felt good and it was a treat.
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I almost believe you....

Interesting. I have taken latin dance before. I would love to try belly dancing classes.
My sister di this..she was probably 220 at the time...loved it...

Hi All!

Ok, today I would like to introduce you to an old friend of mine...MY WAIST!

Holy crap! I put these new pants on and could not believe how they fit! (Trust me, these are just one of those pairs of pants that you look awesome in even when you are not at your awesomest...) Anyway, I had to snap a pic for all of you...tags are still on!

My face is totally goofy here...but whatever. Eventually I will get a decent picture posted!

Ohhhh....Ahhhhh.... I would love to find mine but it is burried and will take some digging....

Ok, I am a professional soccer mom, so I can totally help here!

(Now, multiply it by three and welcome to my world. )

I have to agree....except my sons play for a town 40 minutes from my house...and my daughter plays for our local team...

Treyner and I have a soccer tourney ..Let's pray he does well so there can be a scholarship his direction...

Love soccer...Love Birthday parties...we have had a 4th of July themed party...English Tea party....(made a 3 tier round cake that each was a bt smaller...frosted a light yellow...put real ribbon and real flowers on it and it looked like a old victorian hat...used our china...girls loved it..and they were quiet...best behaved party ever...all the girls came dressed up...)

Let me know ideas....and I will help...

Thanks! I would love to see 10 more gone...I think I will feel comfortable in my own skin then. Why is it that I seem to lose weight from the top down?!?! I get to my hips and then it is just wide from there on in...

Girls got some junk in her trunk....
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Snow, I love the Clutter Contest! We win Swiffers if we have the most clutter!

And the cleanest house gets...WetJet pads! And I thought I had issues.....

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Will get last weeks Top 5 out today...off to flog him to get it done....unless he likes it then it will be a few more minutes....

 

[Dizneydawn]

I just wanted to say....I am thinking of you and your whole family...that is all any of us can do...and that is hard...because when there is nothing to help with..we feel helpless to help you...

You are our friend...you are a great part of us..and because you hurt...we do too....

Praying for a heart of peace for your Father and your Family...

 

[UtahMama]

Dizzy- soooo sorry about the tax/money drama, trickling down to stress you too. Dan doesn't deserve that at all.

 

[born2bird]

Sarah,

It is such a gift to your father to be at home and surrounded by family. You and your family are still in my thoughts and prayers. You can always PM me if you need to talk.

Kim

 

[DisneyWorld Delight]

Sarah, thinking of you. This must be the hardest. Period. Keep us updated.

 

[born2bird]

Good Morning!

Well, it has been a rollercoaster of drama these last 24 hours. The job that I was waiting to come through is not going to happen. They did not win the contract. AND the company I work for now did not win it either. What does this mean...I have 90 days. But, I was contacted by the company who is a subcontractor under the one that did win and they asked me to send my resume and salary requirementd. I signed the offer letter today so now it is up to the government to come through and place everyone in the positions. Lord only knows how long that will take. I hope that it will be a smooth transition and that this new company will come through. I am trying to remain positive but I was up all night worrying. I am not sure I have it in me to be a contractor. Doing this dance every 3-5 years is going to kill me. The upside is you can make a butt load of money the downside, no job security. I feel like this today .

Onto better things:

Kat, I am not a morning person either and am not pleasant until i have had my coffee. Even the kids 3yo knows to be kind to mommy until I have had a cup. Man, I wish some of Mr. kat's OCDness would rub off on my DH. I am the OCD one in the family and it is exhausting being the only one.

Erika, You look MARVALOUS, Darling! Really, you look great! You have no a$$! What is your DH talking about?

Paula, I am looking forward to seeing the girled-up Goof! I hate, hate, hate, clothes shopping. Which is why all my pants are pinned at the sides so they don't fall off when I get up... I know classy, right?

Liz,Great job joining the gym! I hope you really enjoy it. With all of Erika's great advice you are going to be the super cool soccor mom. My DS is in gymnastics and is only 1 of 2 boys in the class. The other boy is the instructors son. It is a sea of leotards and perfectly put-together SAHM's. I show up with my giant coffee, dragging along the baby who is bored out of his mind, and if I am lucky I have on, a clean t-shirt and running pants. I stick out like a sore thumb. And I have the tumbling, balance beam walking, vault jumping boy. What can I say...

Snow,I loved the PT story. i am sorry it was so painful, but an epidural...

DWD terrorizing the local teenage boys...nice I am glad you said something to him. I have no problem yelling at other kids, especially if they are in some way affecting my own kids. Though, my 3yo is proving to be quite good at defending himself unless his adversary is a 5yo girl. He is sporting a giant bruise on his forehead as a war wound.

Dawn, Sorry to her about the tax drama. It is so stressful. What the hades is up with Dan's ex? Poor Da. It is a good thing he has you

 

[Pixieshouse]

Wow so much is going on. Hugs to all

I have been down with the flu and such I am just now getting going on all the posts. Hang tough everyone.

 

[DisneyWorld Delight]

Here is the picture that came in the cake pan. The cake is supposed to "look EXACTLY like this castle."

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Pretty fabulous if I do say so myself.

I'd made a rookie mistake. I didn't color my hues of pink to the right degree. The dark is not dark enough. The light is not light enough. So there isn't enough contrast. But, I was still pleased. I hated cutting into it.

 

[DisneyWorld Delight]

Good Morning!

Well, it has been a rollercoaster of drama these last 24 hours. The job that I was waiting to come through is not going to happen. They did not win the contract. AND the company I work for now did not win it either. What does this mean...I have 90 days. But, I was contacted by the company who is a subcontractor under the one that did win and they asked me to send my resume and salary requirementd. I signed the offer letter today so now it is up to the government to come through and place everyone in the positions. Lord only knows how long that will take. I hope that it will be a smooth transition and that this new company will come through. I am trying to remain positive but I was up all night worrying. I am not sure I have it in me to be a contractor. Doing this dance every 3-5 years is going to kill me. The upside is you can make a butt load of money the downside, no job security. I feel like this today .

Bird, sorry that you are in flux. At least you good enough to be on the radar of 3! different companies.

I understand job security worries. Being that both I and DH work for our construction company, we constantly live in the unknown.

 

[chbc]

Great list for soccer mom Erika! Add icepack and Docs # to list along with Dentist # and the home phone too. Trust me on this one.
TG we have not had to face the cheerleading thing. DD wears her cougs CL to school. We will wait and see if interested in HS. Did I mention when I coached cheer (it was brief) that no one git pregnant. I deserve an award for that-could be a school or state title. I do birthday parties!!!
Paint the windows
write on mirrors (note to Dawn for WDW HB Treynor)
di-cut streamers
I could go on forever.
Kat screaming stop! stop! reigns (am I using this correctly) me in.
PM for party help.

Munk-:hugs: Thanks for the update Sarah. Our thoughts and prayers are with your family.

DWD-Just saw the cake. Pretty! Pretty! Pretty! probable yummy too.

 

[goofyfan-12]

Here is the picture that came in the cake pan. The cake is supposed to "look EXACTLY like this castle."

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Here is the finished product.

Pretty fabulous if I do say so myself.

I'd made a rookie mistake. I didn't color my hues of pink to the right degree. The dark is not dark enough. The light is not light enough. So there isn't enough contrast. But, I was still pleased. I hated cutting into it.

I so want you to live closer to me so you can make my next birthday cake.... that looks amazing... I am very impressed... especially with the flowers / vines streaming down the castle walls....

Imagine making this in shades of blue and it could be Cinderella's castle....

Good Morning!

Well, it has been a rollercoaster of drama these last 24 hours. The job that I was waiting to come through is not going to happen. They did not win the contract. AND the company I work for now did not win it either. What does this mean...I have 90 days. But, I was contacted by the company who is a subcontractor under the one that did win and they asked me to send my resume and salary requirementd. I signed the offer letter today so now it is up to the government to come through and place everyone in the positions. Lord only knows how long that will take. I hope that it will be a smooth transition and that this new company will come through. I am trying to remain positive but I was up all night worrying. I am not sure I have it in me to be a contractor. Doing this dance every 3-5 years is going to kill me. The upside is you can make a butt load of money the downside, no job security. I feel like this today .

Onto better things:

Kat, I am not a morning person either and am not pleasant until i have had my coffee. Even the kids 3yo knows to be kind to mommy until I have had a cup. Man, I wish some of Mr. kat's OCDness would rub off on my DH. I am the OCD one in the family and it is exhausting being the only one.

Erika, You look MARVALOUS, Darling! Really, you look great! You have no a$$! What is your DH talking about?

Paula, I am looking forward to seeing the girled-up Goof! I hate, hate, hate, clothes shopping. Which is why all my pants are pinned at the sides so they don't fall off when I get up... I know classy, right?

Liz,Great job joining the gym! I hope you really enjoy it. With all of Erika's great advice you are going to be the super cool soccor mom. My DS is in gymnastics and is only 1 of 2 boys in the class. The other boy is the instructors son. It is a sea of leotards and perfectly put-together SAHM's. I show up with my giant coffee, dragging along the baby who is bored out of his mind, and if I am lucky I have on, a clean t-shirt and running pants. I stick out like a sore thumb. And I have the tumbling, balance beam walking, vault jumping boy. What can I say...

Snow,I loved the PT story. i am sorry it was so painful, but an epidural...

DWD terrorizing the local teenage boys...nice I am glad you said something to him. I have no problem yelling at other kids, especially if they are in some way affecting my own kids. Though, my 3yo is proving to be quite good at defending himself unless his adversary is a 5yo girl. He is sporting a giant bruise on his forehead as a war wound.

Dawn, Sorry to her about the tax drama. It is so stressful. What the hades is up with Dan's ex? Poor Da. It is a good thing he has you

Sorry to hear that the job didn't come through as you expected it, but it sounds like an altrnative has presented itself. I can feel your angst about not knowing what is coming next. I still don't have a clear idea of if / when I am moving for my new job. I can't get anyone to give me straight answer... It is sooo frustrating...

Take care everyone,
Goof

 

[MunkyMe13]

I just wanted to say....I am thinking of you and your whole family...that is all any of us can do...and that is hard...because when there is nothing to help with..we feel helpless to help you...

You are our friend...you are a great part of us..and because you hurt...we do too....

Praying for a heart of peace for your Father and your Family...

Sarah,

It is such a gift to your father to be at home and surrounded by family. You and your family are still in my thoughts and prayers. You can always PM me if you need to talk.

Kim

Sarah, thinking of you. This must be the hardest. Period. Keep us updated.

Thank you everyone! I really could not have asked for a better support group than all of you.

Here is the picture that came in the cake pan. The cake is supposed to "look EXACTLY like this castle."

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Here is the cake in progress...

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Pretty fabulous if I do say so myself.

I'd made a rookie mistake. I didn't color my hues of pink to the right degree. The dark is not dark enough. The light is not light enough. So there isn't enough contrast. But, I was still pleased. I hated cutting into it.

The cake is beautiful hun!

Great list for soccer mom Erika! Add icepack and Docs # to list along with Dentist # and the home phone too. Trust me on this one.
TG we have not had to face the cheerleading thing. DD wears her cougs CL to school. We will wait and see if interested in HS. Did I mention when I coached cheer (it was brief) that no one git pregnant. I deserve an award for that-could be a school or state title. I do birthday parties!!!
Paint the windows
write on mirrors (note to Dawn for WDW HB Treynor)
di-cut streamers
I could go on forever.
Kat screaming stop! stop! reigns (am I using this correctly) me in.
PM for party help.

Munk-:hugs: Thanks for the update Sarah. Our thoughts and prayers are with your family.

DWD-Just saw the cake. Pretty! Pretty! Pretty! probable yummy too.

 

[3DisneyKids]

I asked for an epidural the other day at PT ....The therapist was working on my foot - scar tissue - a bit of manipulation to break it up and Holy Crap! She almost got my other size 10 right in her eye socket!!!

OMG! That is hysterical! TOTALLY something I would say! I was in PT last year for a knee injury and the guy said something about really working me hard that day, so I asked him if he was wearing a cup, cause he was gonna need it!

Call me insensitive. Heck call me whatever you want, but after losing 50, FIFTY!, pounds, don't go and get your self preggers.

I know...I was totally thinking the same thing. After losing all the weight...One and Done!

OK. Here's my momma take. I have bags too. But, while I am prepared, I am not a nice mommy. I like my girls, my nephews and my very best friends kids, ONLY. I do NOT like other peoples nasty little children. No, Jimmy is not cute wanting to hug me with his nasty little bugger fingers filled to the brim with dirt. BLECHH.

Too funny! This tends to be my view as well. Love my kids...love SOME of my friends' kids...but the rest...bah.

Sorry I keep bringing it all down

My dad is home from the hospital but not under good terms... Basically there is nothing more they can do so they let him come home to basically pass on comfortably. Hospice came tonight and set things up for him and my mom so it can be a fairly smooth transition. They say with the way things are going and his lack of eating and drinking he has a few days to a week at most. They think he will likely have renal failure because he isn't drinking anything. The hospice guy was very nice and my brother in law stopped by tonight which I'm sure made my dad happy. I hope everyone had a good Thursday and has a good Friday. I miss you all!

Sarah

You are not bringing us down. This is your life right now and that is what we share on this thread...our lives. The good, the fat, and the sad.

I am glad that he is home and can be in peace and that family can all say good-bye the way that they want and need to.

Good Morning!

Well, it has been a rollercoaster of drama these last 24 hours. The job that I was waiting to come through is not going to happen. They did not win the contract. AND the company I work for now did not win it either. What does this mean...I have 90 days. But, I was contacted by the company who is a subcontractor under the one that did win and they asked me to send my resume and salary requirementd. I signed the offer letter today so now it is up to the government to come through and place everyone in the positions. Lord only knows how long that will take. I hope that it will be a smooth transition and that this new company will come through. I am trying to remain positive but I was up all night worrying. I am not sure I have it in me to be a contractor. Doing this dance every 3-5 years is going to kill me. The upside is you can make a butt load of money the downside, no job security. I feel like this today .

Good luck, Kim! I'm keeping my fingers crossed that all goes smoothly!


Erika, You look MARVALOUS, Darling! Really, you look great! You have no a$$! What is your DH talking about?

Thanks! But trust me...Baby got back!

Here is the picture that came in the cake pan. The cake is supposed to "look EXACTLY like this castle."

Pretty fabulous if I do say so myself.

TOTALLY fabulous! You did a great job! I am going to post the pics of my princess cake....yours is MUCH better!

 

[3DisneyKids]

Ok---ignore this post....just showing pics of cakes for DWD (who is awesome at decorating!)

This is my "boy cake" (Buzz for DS)--

This is my princess castle cake...DWD's blows mine away. It is supposed to be a storybook, but that part didn't really come out.

This is the most recent...for HSM theme. First time I ever had one break on me!

This is a basic Pooh cake--

This Tink cake is my absolute favorite!

And here are two holiday cakes that I have every year by request (they are part of the family tradition now...)

Ok...sorry for being so off topic! I now return you to your regularly scheduled thread....

 

[chbc]

The cakes are adorable. simply perfect!

 

[DisneyWorld Delight]

Erica - I am blown away by your cakes. You are very talented. They are beautiful. I espically liked the story book cake. How did you do the book?

Did you take cake decorating classes, or is this all pure Erica?

You just do a little bit of everything don't you.

 

[3DisneyKids]

Erica - I am blown away by your cakes. You are very talented. They are beautiful. I espically liked the story book cake. How did you do the book?

Did you take cake decorating classes, or is this all pure Erica?

You just do a little bit of everything don't you.

The storybook cake is a mold, so nothing fancy there. Then you can use the storybook idea for anything you want...I could have just as easily put Peter Pan on there or whatever.

No, I am completely UN-talented in the art department. I could not do anything artisitic if my kids' lives depended on it. I have never taken a cake decorating class...My best friend is a professional cake decorator and she is at my elbow...and if I am about to make a wrong move, she literally grabs my hand and guides me so it doesn't get messed up. So basically, she is guiding my hand the whole time because left to my own devices...

 

[AKASnowWhite]

Cheerleading is my worst nightmare, too. I don't even know what to do with that. That's gotta have a set of rules to learn, no?

I have a friend whose DS14 (freshman in H.S.) *decided* to do cheerleading this year. The stories she tells are SO funny - mostly because being a cheerleader mom is apparently much like being a beauty pageant mom - lots of drama and the need for perfection - and my friend is...well...not at ALL like that. Her other kids were mortified by her "behavior" at a competition a few weeks ago...she's sooooo lost...

Oh, one more thing. Here's just how nasty I am. I yelled at a adolesent boy in Walmart this evening. He was running around ramming his cart into his sister(?) and another girl and they kept telling him to stop. No mother around. I passed by and hissed, "Do you have a problem?" He froze and stared straight ahead. I followed with "Settle down."

I spend the rest of the trip, in terror that his mother was going to hunt me down and demand an apology. I don't know what came over me. I guess I'm just mean, deep down.

YOU GO GIRL! That's SO my style! DD12 and I have been known to talk about naughty kids as if they weren't even right there in front of us! You KNOW that the parents hear us....but my word! If my kids were behaving that poorly in public, comments from strangers would be the least of their worries!

My dad is home from the hospital but not under good terms... Basically there is nothing more they can do so they let him come home to basically pass on comfortably.

He may need bail money...his ex had said that they would file jointly since they were legally married all last year...she had been dodging his call..he asked her finally on Tuesdy...
"are we filing an extension or what?"
she said.."I filed already"....she is not answering his questions on if she took both girls for deductibles...from what he has gathered from the IRS..she took all the deductibles....and now is screwed on his taxes until their final papers are signed in the next month and hopefully the judge will force her to make an ammendment to her taxes...But for now....he is very upset...she also is claiming "Innocent Spouse" for the taxes they owed from when they owned the bar....(they got audited last year and he has worked his hind end off to reduce the amount the IRS said they owed...$14,000 roughly and due to his mtgs with them and proving everything...is down to less than $5,000...

Do you believe in Karma? (or shall we begin plotting our OWN revenge.... ) That is just SO WRONG

Erica - I am blown away by your cakes. You are very talented. They are beautiful. I espically liked the story book cake. How did you do the book?

Did you take cake decorating classes, or is this all pure Erica?

You just do a little bit of everything don't you.

You guys make the most fabulous cakes! Green with envy here...

 

[Dizneydawn]

Here is the New Info for April's Weight Loss smackdown with the
Peeps vs. BoadyBoarders..

The new tally results are as such....
#1 We will continue to post the top 5% weight loss winners from each thread...

#2 The weight loss success for the overall team for the week will be posted in a new format...
To give credit for the whole team...
The weight loss will be average loss for the team per person...

This makes it fair since the Peeps have 21 and Boarders have 14 people...plus we each have 9 people exactly that weigh over 180# which would mean that equal people have the potential to post higher numbers...

The other factor is that if you gain..it affects the team as well or do not post...I know that I need that accountability...makes me feel more teamish...

We are open to suggestions..but this was the consensus from Utah, me, Grumpy and 3 Dis Kids...
BTW...

WE ARE NOT BURGER KING. YOU CANNOT HAVE IT YOUR WAY. If it is burn't eat it or starve. (J/K)


April 4th Results..
Peeps patrol
#1 Hockey Kat....2.26%
#2 DisObsession - 1.25%
#3 Pjlla - 1.16%
#4 DARuss - 1.16%
#5 DisFreak92 - .32%

Average weight loss per person...-.071 pounds

Body Board Babes
#1 Munky Me 13 - 2.01% (YOU ARE AN AMAZING WOMAN)
#2 BrcsDisneyPrncs - -1.96%
#3 MamaBearJo - -.36%
#4 AKA Snow White - .34%
#5 Grumpy - 0% (in case of a tie..last weeks loss gets credit..)

That is right we did not have the best of weeks....but

WE LOST -.550 pounds Per person!!!!!!

Is it a sad day in the neighborhood when for 21 people the average is about 1/10 of a pound and for 14 people it is about 1/2 a pound...???

WE NEED OUR TEAMS TO HAVE SOME SERIOUS EFFORT AND I AM TALKING OUT LOUD TO ME!!!!

Week 2 Tally's almost done...waiting for a few stragelers...