I'm sorry, but because you did not buy from Disney...

[wdrl]

There isn't any builder's inventory at BWV. It only works at the newer resorts that are actively being sold by DVC. And it doesn't always work.

Actually, there is a developer's inventory at all DVC resorts, including BWV. BWV's Declaration of Condominium, Exhibit G, Section 3.7, states that DVD does not anticipate selling more than 96% of BWV to the general public, and that "in no event will DVD sell Ownership Interests that equal more than 98% of the total amount. . . ." Thus, DVD has a minimum of 2% of BWV's total points, which is about 97,400 points. Given BWV's popularity, DVD has probably rented out almost all of its points for cash reservations and there isn't much left for it to offer to new buyers to make last minute reservations.

 

[crisi]

Actually, there is a developer's inventory at all DVC resorts, including BWV. BWV's Declaration of Condominium, Exhibit G, Section 3.7, states that DVD does not anticipate selling more than 96% of BWV to the general public, and that "in no event will DVD sell Ownership Interests that equal more than 98% of the total amount. . . ." Thus, DVD has a minimum of 2% of BWV's total points, which is about 97,400 points. Given BWV's popularity, DVD has probably rented out almost all of its points for cash reservations and there isn't much left for it to offer to new buyers to make last minute reservations.

Those are actually not for cash - they are held for maintenance. As rooms get refurbed or have maintenance issues, they are pulled from service. It isn't 4% at a time - for instance when the residing was going on it was a lot more than that at once. But there are always a few rooms that are out for maitenance.

 

[TyGuy]

When we bought at BLT our Guide was able to "help" us get our first reservation... I don't think they pulled any strings but faciliated the contact to Member Services...

 

[wdrl]

Those are actually not for cash - they are held for maintenance. As rooms get refurbed or have maintenance issues, they are pulled from service. It isn't 4% at a time - for instance when the residing was going on it was a lot more than that at once. But there are always a few rooms that are out for maitenance.

Its a popular misconception that DVD uses its points for maintenance. There is nothing in the Declarations that requires that DVD's inventory be held back for maintenance. DVC has the right to rent those rooms for cash if it desires. In fact, Section 3.7 in my original citation goes on to say that

"All Home Report Vacation Points assigned to DVD in connection with these Ownership Interests will be governed by the same rules and regulations pertaining to all Club Members."​

This means that DVD, like other DVC members, can use its points to make reservations.

There is another clause in BWV's Master Declaration of Condominium that states that "Excess Availability" must be used only for maintenance purposes. Exhibit G, Section 3.5 states

"Excess Availability. The Home Resort Vacation Point values . . . will be based upon a 365 Use Day calendar year containing a minimum number of Fridays and Saturdays distributed through high demand periods. Any excess availability that may exist from time to time shall only be used for maintenance purposes by DVCMC and shall not be available for reservation by any Club Member, including DVD."​

Excess availability occurs because of leap year, or because an extra Friday or Saturday occurs in a calendar year. Although "Excess Availability" points must be used for maintenance purposes, such points are not the same as points that belong in DVD's inventory.

Interestingly, the "Excess Availability" clause is present in BWV's Master Declaration of Condominium, but it is not in the MDCs for AKV, BLT, or Aulani.

 

[Dean]

Those are actually not for cash - they are held for maintenance. As rooms get refurbed or have maintenance issues, they are pulled from service. It isn't 4% at a time - for instance when the residing was going on it was a lot more than that at once. But there are always a few rooms that are out for maitenance.

DVC does use this inventory for maint but it's also used to buffer the orphaned days here and there. While technically they could use those for rentals, there's no indication they do or intend to. When Marriott converted over to points they actually created a differential between the points a week costs and the number of points one receives. In large part the inefficiencies of such a points system was the exact reason they did so.

The issue is different from that of the year to year variations that occur due to the differences between a given year and the "BASE YEAR" used to calculate the points AND the reallocations. In some year there may be excess inventory due to this variation, in others there may not be enough inventory, even with the excess 2-4% that DVC normally retains.

 

[Lil' Grumpy]

i' m a lil'confuse...on the planning boards, the op stated she
got her first request, & called it pixie dust. did something
change? or was she trying to switch back to okw? [ her
home resort?]

 

[crisi]

Its a popular misconception that DVD uses its points for maintenance. There is nothing in the Declarations that requires that DVD's inventory be held back for maintenance. DVC has the right to rent those rooms for cash if it desires. In fact, Section 3.7 in my original citation goes on to say that

"All Home Report Vacation Points assigned to DVD in connection with these Ownership Interests will be governed by the same rules and regulations pertaining to all Club Members."​

This means that DVD, like other DVC members, can use its points to make reservations.

There is another clause in BWV's Master Declaration of Condominium that states that "Excess Availability" must be used only for maintenance purposes. Exhibit G, Section 3.5 states

"Excess Availability. The Home Resort Vacation Point values . . . will be based upon a 365 Use Day calendar year containing a minimum number of Fridays and Saturdays distributed through high demand periods. Any excess availability that may exist from time to time shall only be used for maintenance purposes by DVCMC and shall not be available for reservation by any Club Member, including DVD."​

Excess availability occurs because of leap year, or because an extra Friday or Saturday occurs in a calendar year. Although "Excess Availability" points must be used for maintenance purposes, such points are not the same as points that belong in DVD's inventory.

Interestingly, the "Excess Availability" clause is present in BWV's Master Declaration of Condominium, but it is not in the MDCs for AKV, BLT, or Aulani.

However, they are obligated to let us use our points, and hotels require maintenance. When I worked with hotels extensively, that number was about 2%. Which tells you why that assumption is there, it happens to be pretty close to the industry standard number for projecting maintenance issues.

 

[wdrl]

However, they are obligated to let us use our points, and hotels require maintenance. When I worked with hotels extensively, that number was about 2%. Which tells you why that assumption is there, it happens to be pretty close to the industry standard number for projecting maintenance issues.

You make a good point. For each Use Day, DVCMC probably sets aside a small number of rooms to accommodate lost inventory due to maintenance issues. However, the point that I was making is that there is nothing in the Master Declarations that requires that DVD set aside its 2% holdback inventory for maintenance purposes only.

 

[Granny]

i' m a lil'confuse...on the planning boards, the op stated she
got her first request, & called it pixie dust. did something
change? or was she trying to switch back to okw? [ her
home resort?]

No idea. OP started this up with an evocative thread title and hasn't been back since!

 

[Dean]

You make a good point. For each Use Day, DVCMC probably sets aside a small number of rooms to accommodate lost inventory due to maintenance issues. However, the point that I was making is that there is nothing in the Master Declarations that requires that DVD set aside its 2% holdback inventory for maintenance purposes only.

They are required to do maint and the 2-4% normally held back is potentially used for maint. Floating week systems normally hold back about 1/2 to 1 week per year per unit and fixed week systems normally 1 week per year.

 

[bumbershoot]

From what I've read on the boards, some DVC guides will pull rooms for you if you buy direct.

Before I read the rest of the thread, I figured that was the difference. Guides vs MS. I'm sure my guide could have pulled strings if we made our first "real" DVC trip as our first trip, but we'd gone to DLH for our first trip. Didn't feel right to call him (even before I found out he's gone) for our first "real" DVC trip. And I didn't expect MS on their own to do what he could have helped happen.

What page is that on?

When you purchase resale, DVC considers the date of purchase to be the original date of purchase of the contract. Your member cards will show that date.

Isn't that interesting, that the date of purpose is the ORIGINAL date of purchase? I guess that makes sense in some way!

I could not locate this or a similar statement within any documents I received when purchasing resale. However, when purchasing an add-on direct, the following statement appeared in item 9 of the Product Understanding Checklist:

"As a courtesy to first-time Members, DVD may assist you with securing your first DVC Resort reservation by using DVD inventory to secure your initial desired accomodations in exchange for your agreement to transfer to DVD the number of Vacation Points needed to secure the desired accommodations. This first-time reservation assistance is subject to DVD's discretion to make it available, is subject to accommodation availability, and is only available for 30 days after the date you signed your Purchase Agreement. Reservations resulting from this assistance may not be modified. DVD is providing this assistance on a one-time basis only, and such assistance is not a typical reservation experience. You should familiarize yourself with the applicable reservation rules and booking windows for all future vacations. Do not rely upon DVD's assistance in this one instance as an assurance or a guarantee that you can obtain any future reservations that may not be otherwise available."

Interesting, and it shows that the 30 days is important.

 

[VanessasMom]

This is what I was referring to. I read back thru the planner and that is not where I read it. It was somewhere else in my paperwork, but haven't had time to find it again.

I could not locate this or a similar statement within any documents I received when purchasing resale. However, when purchasing an add-on direct, the following statement appeared in item 9 of the Product Understanding Checklist:

"As a courtesy to first-time Members, DVD may assist you with securing your first DVC Resort reservation by using DVD inventory to secure your initial desired accomodations in exchange for your agreement to transfer to DVD the number of Vacation Points needed to secure the desired accommodations. This first-time reservation assistance is subject to DVD's discretion to make it available, is subject to accommodation availability, and is only available for 30 days after the date you signed your Purchase Agreement. Reservations resulting from this assistance may not be modified. DVD is providing this assistance on a one-time basis only, and such assistance is not a typical reservation experience. You should familiarize yourself with the applicable reservation rules and booking windows for all future vacations. Do not rely upon DVD's assistance in this one instance as an assurance or a guarantee that you can obtain any future reservations that may not be otherwise available."

 

[VanessasMom]

i' m a lil'confuse...on the planning boards, the op stated she
got her first request, & called it pixie dust. did something
change? or was she trying to switch back to okw? [ her
home resort?]

I was originally booked at vwl, and wait listed for bwv. I did get bwv preferred view, but not bw view. Don't misunderstand...I am very happy to be where I am. I just had read that verbiage in the pp above and thought I'd try. I didn't mean to cause a big stir here. Just wanted to see if anyone else was aware of that because I didn't remember ever reading it on here. And yes -- major pixie dust to get into bwv!

 

[VanessasMom]

No idea. OP started this up with an evocative thread title and hasn't been back since!

Sorry I haven't responded quickly enough. I have had a sick child on my hands as well as running my company full time.

 

[CarolAnnC]

This is basically the same well known statement that when purchasing DVC direct from Disney, your Guide may be able to help secure your first DVC reservation as a one time only assistance. MS would not be able to help with this, only your DVC Guide will have access.

In the OP's case, she was not a Disney direct purchaser, and she had already secured reservations and a waitlist for her first DVC stay.

Interesting, though, to see something to this effect apparently is in writing.

 

[crisi]

I was originally booked at vwl, and wait listed for bwv. I did get bwv preferred view, but not bw view. Don't misunderstand...I am very happy to be where I am. I just had read that verbiage in the pp above and thought I'd try. I didn't mean to cause a big stir here. Just wanted to see if anyone else was aware of that because I didn't remember ever reading it on here. And yes -- major pixie dust to get into bwv!

I'm confused on what you expect them to do even if you bought direct. There are only so many BWV rooms - and those are booked or you wouldn't need help. Do you think someone else should be kicked out? Do you think Tinkerbelle can make a new room appear with pixie dust? Do you think that buying - even direct - should pop you to the top of the wait list?

 

[VanessasMom]

Just thought I'd try, that's all. Sorry for upsetting you. Didn't expect to get flamed. I will keep my posts and comments to myself from now on. Have a great day!

Ps-I do think Tinkerbelle has some pretty strong pixie dust though...

 

[mousefan1972]

Just thought I'd try, that's all. Sorry for upsetting you. Didn't expect to get flamed. I will keep my posts and comments to myself from now on. Have a great day!

Ps-I do think Tinkerbelle has some pretty strong pixie dust though...

No need to apologize! There's no harm in trying. Please don't stop posting.... everyone's posts and opinions matter.

 

[bumbershoot]

No need to apologize! There's no harm in trying. Please don't stop posting.... everyone's posts and opinions matter.

Agreed.

Plus, your post made many of us aware of info that we didn't know was official! Nothing wrong with finding out stuff we didn't know. Thanks for that!

 

[disneynutz]

What page is that on?

When you purchase resale, DVC considers the date of purchase to be the original date of purchase of the contract. Your member cards will show that date.

We have purchased resale and direct. In the beginning, we had the contract original purchase date on our cards but somewhere along the way they sent us new cards with our actual data of purchase.

Bill