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NADINENURSE

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:bounce: TO ALL WHO HAVE BEEN THE PARENT OF A 10 YEAR OLD MALE PLEASE HELP!! :bounce: DS is in danger of being held back in 5th grade HE WILL NOT DO ANY HOMEWORK !!! It takes hours and hours, no TV no food no toys help I even had his IQ tested, he is not below average, but a little above, not a genius or anything, but LAZY !! He had been going to school 1/2 hour earlier in am and staying 1/2 hour later in pm to get work wiht the teacher She has now stopped this is frustration, I am frustrated, many meetings, with him in tears, that he will try harder. Well, that lasted about a day. I have held his PS2, gameboy and even the upcomming Stars Wars weekend trip 5/20-5/25 over his head NOTHING IS WORKING I am typing this after being home with him since 6:00 doing this homework, would you believe 84 divided by 7 is over 100 ? :confused: :bounce: :Pinkbounc I have tried points systems, etc Please please post advice, out of the 60,000 of us here, someone must be able to help me.:eek: :eek: :eek:
 
I have a ADHD son age 12 and believe me, I know what your going thru. I found with my son, that a little bit of slack went a long way. I had a great Dr. he use to go too, that taught me that sometimes you just have to let go. Also we did the Sylvan Tutoring classes, they help alot. But I learned that I was only making things worse by punishing so harsh. What worked with my son was rewards. I let go and he thrived!!!
I found too, with both of my kids that 5th grade was the hardest of all the elementary grades. Once my two got into 6th,thier grades went up again. I hope you only the best. Here is sending you alot of prayers and pixie dust
 
I have no solutions for you, but some sympathy and company. (Misery loves company, right?) I'm going through the self-same thing with my DS, won't pay attention in class, won't pay attention at home, won't pay attention EVER. Screaming, yelling, punishing doesn't work. He never finishes anything, not even the stuff he WANTS to do. He's even driving my laid-back DH crazy.

So...moral support, that's what I am, right?
 
Hi... first, go ahead and scream (but I suggest into a pillow in your room!)

My DS is now 24 years old and is very successful in the sales field. Getting him to do his homework drove us to distraction, and in the old days, all there was to take away was TV and Nintendo. We thought he was lazy, too, but knowing what I do now about ADHD, I think we should have had him tested. A counselor told me recently that a person could have a fairly laid back exterior, but a very hyperactive brain. I wish we had known.

Until recently we have been pulling our hair out with our 10 yr. old DD, who sounds even more like your DS, who also has an above average IQ. It took HOURS to get her to do one math worksheet and you would have thought we asked her to pull a 10 lb. bowling ball with her teeth to Disneyland! :rolleyes: After several months of counseling, we were referred to a child psychiatrist who has diagnosed her with a general anxiety disorder, and possible ADD. She has been put on a couple of very low dose meds, and her teacher says the change in class is remarkable. She is now coming home and working on her homework most nights without complaint and finishing it! No meltdowns. No threats from me. It's a miracle. Because of our success, I advocate having him evaluated by a professional to see if there's something underlying his problem besides a learning disability. Some people will say they would never medicate their child, but I say "never" is a pretty easy word to use if you haven't been there!!! Good luck. You all are in my prayers. Feel free to PM me any time!

:hug: Kim
 

As an elementary school teacher and former counselor, I strongly advise you to have your son evaluated by a psychologist or psychiatrist. Kim (post above mine) made some excellent points. You might ask your school's counselor for recommendations re: which doctor to see. Good luck to you!
 
Hey i think we can all sympathize with you, i would say have your son evaluated for possible ADHD, my daughter had it and i basicaly lived in denial until 2nd grade because i did not want to think, the little angel had any problems, i regret being so selfish but she is doing great now,
Good luck to you,
 
quick note before work !!! :bounce: DS was tested, that is what is so frustrating, they found out his IQ and no ADD or ADHD. Should he be tested again ?? WIll write more after work, it is now 7:20 am and we are doing the running to the bus thing !!!
 
Those test for ADD or ADHD are tough, highly subjective both in the answers you give (sometimes, usual, always almost aarrg). What one doctor might find, another might have a different take. DD 5 was diagnosed with mild ADD but the first atempt at medication was brutal. A friend had her daughter test, the therapist said she had ADD then tried to sell her $2000 of special help sessions. I recommend having him retested. A Children's Hospital near us has a special clinic for ADDs and we are going to try it. Good luck. Just remember ADD is not a disability, just an attention challange. Our doctor told us that ADD children tend to be very creative and artistic, something we cherish in our DD.
Also told us that holding her back won't help, its not maturity but an alternative form of learning. Some of the things that work best with ADD is repetition, tactic learning, learning ahead,memorization. Her teacher gave us the information that they will be studying for the next quarter, and I am preteaching it to her. ADD can do better in class when they already know the material. In all cases praise works better than punishment. When I stopped yelling and rewarding she tried harder. Part of her ADD was the fear of being wrong, so if you never try you are never wrong.
Good luck, let us know what happens.
 
There are so many conditions other than ADD/ADHD that could cause the problems he is having.

If he does well in class but not at home, it is very possible he is dehydrated. That can cause lack of focus. It could also be low blood sugar. Try giving him a high protein high good fat, low car (low simple car, fiber is good, sugar is bad LOL) snack. I've found that giving DD an omega rich oil (my choice is flaxseed), in the AM and a protein snack in the afternoon works wonders for her concentration.


As for other problems vision comes to mind first.While eyesight would be the first thing to check there are also visual processing problems.

Part of her ADD was the fear of being wrong, so if you never try you are never wrong.

DS isn't ADD, but he did have a problem with the fear of failure when he was younger. I saw it as being lazy, but finally caught on when he kept asking to take Karate but wouldn't go when I would arrage for him to attend a class. He admitted that since he didn't know Karate, he thought he would look stupid in class.
 
It's funny how kids perceive things. My DD's teacher is known as one of the best in the school, but my DD is so shy, she will never raise her hand and ask a question, or ask the teacher privately about an assignment or a skill. Then she gets home and doesn't know what to do and we have a meltdown because she is so afraid of not doing it right and getting "yelled at." Having the high anxiety diagnosed and treated has helped a little ... she still isn't asking questions in class, but she is more focused and since she is paying better attention, she is grasping concepts better. Do you think your son is just not getting it and won't ask questions? How does he behave in school? Does he panic at home about not knowing how to do things, or is he just so laid back that he won't even try?

Many children are very complex and pat answers come easy from folks whose kids are not so complex... don't give up until you get a good diagnosis/explanation for this. I really doubt if laziness is all that is behind this behavior.

Don't forget to keep that pillow handy for screaming, too!

:) Kim
 
I share in your frustration. My 10 yr old dd, 4th grade, can take forever to do things. I have to have all the "background" noise gone for her to get anything done. She also has the tendency to get so anxious about all she has to do that it litterally causes her to panic and do nothing. Breaking things down into small chunks helped. IE - 10 math problems, one science page, back to the math, etc.

Is it one specific subject area that's a problem? My dd has dysgraphia, a writting disorder, so that adds to the problem, since everything requires writing. It helps for me to act as scribe, and her to tell me the answers. As for math, she has a recall issue, so the math facts don't roll from her head. I've found that using the math tables to help get the work done has helped.

I agree with everyone urging you to dig a little deeper. Instead of yelling and punishing, maybe you could sit and talk with him to find out why he won't do it, and don't accept the answer "I can't." Push for specifics. In my dd's case, talking with her and watching her do things helped the light bulb go on for me that maybe she had an LD. Getting the school to test and agree with me is another story. Took two years to finally get an IEP.

Good luck to you and your ds.
 
I am so SORRY. I think that all mom's of boys have problems to one degree or another but yours sounds like over the edge. I wonder if these problems are new this year or have they always been there and just as the work load increased with the grades the flustration also increased. Any new stess at home? Could he be being teased at school? I also wonder when his birthday is? As an early childhood major, I see so many kids with summer or fall birthdays that are so smart, high IQ's but just are not quite mature enough to deal with the demands of them. Sometimes that is apparent as early as kindergarten and sometimes they deal well until the upper elementry grades. No one wants to see thier child fail and I hate that word, but could he really need another year in elementry school. Middle school responsibilities just get worse and the demands higher.
With our DS the problems have always been mild so this likely would not work with your DS but this is what i have done. I gave all the responsibility back to him. NO yelling or begging from me. I would help with any homework needs during a two hour period and only if asked nicely and if he remained in control and showed effert. Homework could not be done after 8:00. Other than that it was all in his court. He had to deal with the consiquences at school of not having his homework.Given control, he rose to the occasion and did much better. It at least took the stress off me. I refused to get caught up in his battles. Good luck!!!!

Jordans' mom


Jordans' mom
 
Nadinenurse,
I just had to answer this! I have your ds's twin living in my home! My ds is also 10, in 5th gr, and does everything yours does. This child spent all of Sun, from 9am until 9pm, sitting at a table whinning about having to do a math take-home test (because he "lost" the 1st one)! He did so much whinning the test never go finished. Nothing works with him. He does have ADHD and is also LD, but this has nothing to with any of his classifications. It has to do with him simply not wanting to do the work. I refer to it as "Peter Pan Syndrome", as in the boy who refuses to grow up. I have a Master's in Spec. Ed. so I know it's not the teacher's, the school, or anything else but my ds. He's been tested by every kind of dr there is, he just has to decide to grow up himself, and noone can make him do it until he's ready to. What gives me nightmares is the fact that I have 5 yr old twins who start kindergarten in Sept. I has this vision in my head of all 3 of them refusing to complete any assignments! Good luck!
 
Have you read any of David Lazear or Howard Gardner's work on multiple intelligiences? I am a secondary teacher and have found this info very useful. If he falls into one of the intelligiences such as verbal linguistic, kinesthetic or interpersonal, working alone at a table with absolute quiet is probably torture for him.
 
but maybe you should check out the unschooling.com message boards. Even if you are not a homeschool minded person some of the parents there may have a few helpful suggestions. Also he is not too young to be starting puberty and once it starts kids go from learn learn learn to mate mate mate and have almost no attention span until adulthood. Just a suggestion. Good Luck.
 
The "Homework without hassles" series by Larry Koenig is similar in theory to what Jordan's mom describes. You set up a habitat for homework (music is fine, but otherwise, no distraction, plenty of pencils, workspace, etc.) The rules are clear (an established time after which homework will cease, they areto do the work without the parental nag factor; if requested, minor help may be given but by and large, the child is responsible for the work). It puts the ball in their court. It's interesting stuff -- I think you can find it on the net, just search under Koenig's name -- he does seminars all over the country.

That aside, kids are incredibly complex and no one theory or practice or seminar or drug or therapy is a "fix" for all kids. We took our 7yr to family counseling this year because we discovered he was emotionally wound quite tightly. And through the parental counseling segment, we have learned GREATLY about all 3 of our children, and the impact of our interactions with them. I now joke with DH that in truth, we parents should be going for the counseling weekly, and our CHILD shoud be going for the monthly "status and update" visits instead! My DH was VERRRRY resistant about counseling but even he will tell you it has helped us all. Sometimes kids can't verbalize exactly what it is that bothers them, what motivates them, what suppresses them. Our counselor has used play therapy with our child and taught us ways to interact with him (and all our kids) to unlock some of the issues.

We too have what some might term a "lazy" 9 yr old (very bright, read at age 2, technically "gifted" but just never wants to do the work, instead whines and "Eeyores" around it). He would bring home papers that clearly, he simply didn't focus on. He once brought home a test score for a reading assignment -- got a 60 on it. I asked what had happened -- he said, Oh, I never read the book. I just took the test to see how many I could get right without ever reading a single page. Look -- I got 6 out of 10 right, and I never read a word of it! Yup - That's our boy. But I am the last one on the planet to cast a stone his way -- I have walked in his shoes (and now, I get to walk in my mother's!) Teachers constantly complained about me to my parents (she can DO the work -- she's just LAZY), my desk was ALWAYS in the corner (I even got suspended from 3rd grade for NOT doing my homework!) My problem? In retrospect, I wasn't challenged enough. I can recall admantly refusing to do multiplication tables (hey, I did 'em once, what's with this repetition crap?) THe one thing that DID motivate me, however -- was praise. But not just "Oh good, you did your book report, that's great!" praise -- I was smart enough to know ANYBODY could do that, that my parents knew that, and I didn't feel very proud of the work anyway. I mean like, hey, you just turned your book report into a 3 part musical -- THAT's something! praise. Within conventional education, there's no real way to get that feeling. I had an INTENSE need to feel attention (which is why I would bug the heck out of my neighbors, which in turn landed my desk in the corner, which in turn made me feel OUT of the spotlight... bad cycle). So if it wasn't positive attention -- hey, I'd settle for negative! Attention was still attention! On those occasions when a teacher would instead appeal to my abilities and challenge me, give me a special task and praise me as if I were the only one who could do it , and do it so well, I rose to the occasion. (And this elementary school flunkie did end up with a PhD in chemistry -- yes, I have a few really great teachers in my past to thank for that!)

So in regard to our son, I have had extensive conversations with his teachers, and together we have a plan whereby this child feels his significance and is also appropriately challenged. After a rough first 9 weeks, he made Principal's List (4.0) his 2nd 9 weeks. He also is doing Odyssey of the Mind which he ADORES, and it challenges him in a whole different way. We also work really hard at finding appropriate reading material (much of the reading his class is doing is well below his reading ability, and he simply isn't motivated to read it; same goes for the spelling words.) He probably would have excelled at home-schooling, but sadly it just isn't something I felt wholly equipped to do. But we did determine that for now, a small private school works best for him (I can work more closely with the teachers and there is a bit more flexibility in the curriculum for him than in the public school). It is a very delicate line we walk, however -- because with a praise-driven child, there can be great fear of failure (if I fail, I'm not praise-worthy) and often, they won't try (in order to avoid that failure). Or they fall into the "negative attention is still attention" rut. So challenge has to be appropriately meshed with good odds for success -- not always easy.

Sorry to be so lengthy with this. Bottom line, explore all the avenues: educational, emotional, physical, and don't forget to seek help for yourself in dealing with him as well. The more stressed out you become, the more intense it will all become and the less effective you can be!
 
in the case of my ds, we've tried everything under the sun. Unless the teacher is sitting right next ot him he still does nothing and just doesn't care. There is nothing at this point that motivates this child. He's seen counseler's, had every behavior plan imaginable, nothing. He just has to decide for himself to grow up. Luckily puberty isn't an issue yet. He's definately not interested in girls yet and could care less what clothes he wears. As the dr's all said, the decision is all his.
 
You may want to screen for Asperger's (http://www.aspergertips.com/) which is a VERY mild form of autism (also referred to as High Functioning Autism). Our 9 year old daughter has it and it would literally take hours to write 15 spelling sentences. We've eliminated a lot of wheat products from her diet for example switching to gluton free waffles (she call's them "smart waffles") and it's made a world of difference. It seems there are many kids that are misdiagnosed with AD because many of the symptoms are similar.

Something to look into. All the best to you and your son!
Larry
 


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