If things go well after Gustav

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If things go well during and after Gustav as far as people being safe and property being protected, will anyone jump so fast to say that the Bush administration did a good, or at least better job than with Katrina.

Will they say it as quickly as they bashed him for what happened during and after Katrina?
 
What the heck are you smoking??? :rotfl2: :lmao:
 
If things go well during and after Gustav as far as people being safe and property being protected, will anyone jump so fast to say that the Bush administration did a good, or at least better job than with Katrina.

Will they say it as quickly as they bashed him for what happened during and after Katrina?

Perhaps you should go lie down until you regain your senses.
 

He can't win either way. It's always his fault. Always.

Katrina was the most horrible natural disaster ever, don't you know. I'm sorry. Perhaps that isn't correct. Bush spoke with aliens, or something, and the hurricane was a cover for the levee breaches. Right.

Frankly, I have Katrina fatigue, and I don't really care how that sounds.
 
Things are not going to go well after Gustav. Sure, less people will die, but estimates put the cost of damage around 32.8 billion.

Things are not going to go well and who really cares what politics has to do with it? What pettiness.
 
Things are not going to go well after Gustav. Sure, less people will die, but estimates put the cost of damage around 32.8 billion.

Things are not going to go well and who really cares what politics has to do with it? What pettiness.

Didn't stop them the last time. Won't stop them now or in the future.

But I sure hope General "Stuck on Stupid" is running things from the getgo.
 
So far the response to Gustav has been amazing from ALL quarters whereas it was a dismal failure when Katrina rolled ashore. That argument about the Katrina response is old news though and I doubt that anyone will change their mind.
 
I am waiting for pictures of Obama handing out umbrellas.

While this is an unfortunate and horrible event for the people impacted, you would be remiss to not think either one of the political parties is going to try and use this storm for a gain.
 
I am waiting for pictures of Obama handing out umbrellas.

While this is an unfortunate and horrible event for the people impacted, you would be remiss to not think either one of the political parties is going to try and use this storm for a gain.

I could see it now, BO handing out the umbrellas with his "O" logo on them
 
When you do your job correctly day in and day out, all you really expect is a paycheck.

When you mess up big time, I am sure you expect to be told that you messed up.

That being said, I have been very impressed with how every one is handling Gustav. Lets not even pretend that Katrina was handled well by anyone, from residents that refused to leave all the way up to President that was on vacation.
 
What the heck are you smoking??? :rotfl2: :lmao:
Must be some good wacky tabacci. :rotfl2:

If things go well during and after Gustav as far as people being safe and property being protected, will anyone jump so fast to say that the Bush administration did a good, or at least better job than with Katrina.

Will they say it as quickly as they bashed him for what happened during and after Katrina?

My guess is that no, no one will be so quick to say that the Bush administration did a good job; it'll be shunted aside by news reports of BO handing out umbrellas. :lmao:
 
When Katrina hit it was a combination of problems with the federal, state, and local government that was the major issue. It absolutely did not help the President's case that he had a moron in charge of FEMA. Collectively, they screwed that one up, but Bush was the target of everyone's ire.

Going into this storm, all three levels of government are better prepared for it. They paid attention and took the lessons learned to heart. So, at this point, with the storm 100 miles off the coast and approaching fast, they've ALREADY done a better job.
 
If things go well during and after Gustav as far as people being safe and property being protected, will anyone jump so fast to say that the Bush administration did a good, or at least better job than with Katrina.

Will they say it as quickly as they bashed him for what happened during and after Katrina?

I don't know.

Did you think the administration did a good job with Katrina? :confused:

Based on your usual support of the Republican administration, I have to think you would bash the administration if it were from the other side of the aisle regardless of the outcome.
 
What I can't figure out is WHY people think it is the President's job to handle evacuations for hurricanes? As much as I don't like Bush, he isn't the one to blame for Katrina. There is a lot of blame to be spread around and much of it lies with the residents that didn't leave when warned, plain and simple. They had NO BUSINESS staying and then whining because help didn't arrive as fast as they thought it should. It is really sad that the government pretty much has to tell people this time around, if you stay, too bad, you are on your own just to get people to leave. If you are stupid enough to stay in a bowl with a major hurricane headed your way, guess what, you are going to have some issues.
 
What I can't figure out is WHY people think it is the President's job to handle evacuations for hurricanes? As much as I don't like Bush, he isn't the one to blame for Katrina. There is a lot of blame to be spread around and much of it lies with the residents that didn't leave when warned, plain and simple. They had NO BUSINESS staying and then whining because help didn't arrive as fast as they thought it should. It is really sad that the government pretty much has to tell people this time around, if you stay, too bad, you are on your own just to get people to leave. If you are stupid enough to stay in a bowl with a major hurricane headed your way, guess what, you are going to have some issues.

That's a simple one to answer, because people hate President Bush. And since President Bush is hated it's easy to focus everything that goes wrong, in this case everything that went wrong with Katrina, on President Bush.
 
I didn't blame Bush for the evacuation of Katrina (or the lack thereof), I think that came down to local government. I did sort of get angry with how the aftermath was dealt with and how FEMA handled it all during the latter parts of the storm and the weeks after. Since Bush was the "boss" and could have stepped in at some point, yep, he did get a lot of the blame and ire on that storm. This happens in ALL levels of business. Your subordinates that you picked and put in charge don't perform well, then you are the one that ultimately takes the blame.

As for now, it seems to be going very well. Is that to Bush's credit? At this point, I don't think so. It seems that the lower levels of government have pulled themselves together and organized (with much federal help I'm sure). Right now everyone is doing their job (including the citizens) and as another poster said much earlier, that's what you get a paycheck for.

I know where I work, I don't get bonuses, awards, or pats on the back for showing up to work and performing my responsibilities.

Do you really think he should be lauded if this all comes out okay? Or any president should be for that matter?
 
Ok, I'll bite. If everything is handled properly after Gustav I'll be happy that the Bush administration has learned it's lesson.

However, I'm still appalled that after three years the debris from Katrina still litters some of the streets of New Orleans. Whose at fault for that? I don't know, but I've seen our country go into foreign countries after a national disaster and spearhead cleanup efforts. Also, after three years, the repairs haven't been completed on the levee system. That's a federal program. I'm interested in seeing how that plays out. It may have been a moot point even if the repairs were finished as almost all independent scientists and engineers are saying that the levees, the way they were and are being designed, are not adequate.

I don't blame Bush for the botched evacuation before Katrina. The fault for that lies squarely on the heads of the local and state government.

What I do blame him for, and frankly will never forget or forgive, is his complete disregard for the people of New Orleans in the first days following the flooding of New Orleans. I watched people dying on my television. I watched them herded like cattle to places without food, water, adequate shelter, or bathroom facilities. Yes, it was the local government that told them to go to the convention center, but once there they had nowhere to go and it was televised for the world to see. I was, in my living room in upstate NY, aware of what was happening, when Bush told Brown "Good job Brownie!"

I was aware when reporters were asking the Bush administration what they were doing about these people and they acted surprised and uninformed about the situation on live television. It was on every news station for crying out loud! It's their job to be informed! Then when the excuses started to fly I was disgusted. "Well, the governor did call and say that people were dying and that they needed help, but they didn't specifically ask for help from the federal government, so our hands are tied." Please! I expect better! While people were suffering and dying on national television, Bush was going to parties. His excuse was that he didn't know. Again, Please! He's either lying to cover his shamed and embarrassed butt, or he's too stupid for words.

That is what I'll always remember and what I will never forgive him for. I will be happy if the current and future situations are handled better, but I and many others will never forget the past.
 
I still don't see how this is the Bush Administration's fault that NO isn't cleaned up yet. Do you see remnants of other hurricanes in other towns still. Yes, it takes time for everyone to get their houses fixed as there are only so many construction workers to go around but what are the people themselves doing to take care of their situation? Sorry but in the time of a natural disaster you DO have to take care of yourself. Roads are flooded, winds are still blowing and people can't always get to you the second things are over. There was a story in our paper about a woman that showed up to evacuate with a plastic grocery bag with a few personal belongings for herself and her 3 kids. That is going to get her far. Some how it will be the governments fault if she doesn't have water to drink for several days. :confused3
 
Ok, I'll bite. If everything is handled properly after Gustav I'll be happy that the Bush administration has learned it's lesson.

However, I'm still appalled that after three years the debris from Katrina still litters some of the streets of New Orleans. Whose at fault for that? I don't know, but I've seen our country go into foreign countries after a national disaster and spearhead cleanup efforts. Also, after three years, the repairs haven't been completed on the levee system. That's a federal program. I'm interested in seeing how that plays out. It may have been a moot point even if the repairs were finished as almost all independent scientists and engineers are saying that the levees, the way they were and are being designed, are not adequate.

I don't blame Bush for the botched evacuation before Katrina. The fault for that lies squarely on the heads of the local and state government.

What I do blame him for, and frankly will never forget or forgive, is his complete disregard for the people of New Orleans in the first days following the flooding of New Orleans. I watched people dying on my television. I watched them herded like cattle to places without food, water, adequate shelter, or bathroom facilities. Yes, it was the local government that told them to go to the convention center, but once there they had nowhere to go and it was televised for the world to see. I was, in my living room in upstate NY, aware of what was happening, when Bush told Brown "Good job Brownie!"

I was aware when reporters were asking the Bush administration what they were doing about these people and they acted surprised and uninformed about the situation on live television. It was on every news station for crying out loud! It's their job to be informed! Then when the excuses started to fly I was disgusted. "Well, the governor did call and say that people were dying and that they needed help, but they didn't specifically ask for help from the federal government, so our hands are tied." Please! I expect better! While people were suffering and dying on national television, Bush was going to parties. His excuse was that he didn't know. Again, Please! He's either lying to cover his shamed and embarrassed butt, or he's too stupid for words.

That is what I'll always remember and what I will never forgive him for. I will be happy if the current and future situations are handled better, but I and many others will never forget the past.


I agree with your post.
It was never the evacuation that upset me, it was the response (lack off) in the days that followed.
 


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