IF I were shopping for resale RIV…

[muppets3d]

You do realize most of the RIV owners have mortgages and there's no way they're going to sell their contracts at $75 per point?

You'd have to be pretty desperate or be forced to in case of a divorce disagreement, death, etc. to even go to $100 for a normal size contract.

What was the lowest RIV even was available direct? $165 or something with incentives? It debuted around $195 a point in 2019 before incentives, but I seem to recall there was an out-of-the-ordinary incentive during/right after the pandemic that brought it down quite a bit.

A product is worth what it's worth, it doesn't really matter what you own it for.

 

[Joroc0801]

I’m not sure where that number came from either. The range of years would be 6-28 although I doubt any resale contracts were bought in 1991!!

It hasn’t been 23 years since 2019. That was six years ago.

I believe @havoc315 was talking about the impact post- 2042 based on the 23 year benchmark.

 

[atthebeachclub]

I believe @havoc315 was talking about the impact post- 2042 based on the 23 year benchmark.

This makes way more sense. Thank you.

 

[atthebeachclub]

I wish I could walk that fast after being in the parks!!!

We are slow and can make it in 10 lol.
Sometimes though it’s nice to take a break and enjoy the nice ride back to RIV on the skyliner. With the exception of DS we all wait for the nice boat ride when staying at BWV.

All 3 Crescent lake resorts have their appeal for different reasons and we like them all.

I am a fast walker! And I tend to be in the midst of winter treadmill running season when I go to Disney so I’m usually in extra good shape.

 

[eticketplease]

I believe @havoc315 was talking about the impact post- 2042 based on the 23 year benchmark.

That’s what I originally thought as well but people could purchase CCV a 2068 resort before this set of restrictions were put in place so wouldn’t that put it at 26 years?

 

[muppets3d]

That’s what I originally thought as well but people could purchase CCV a 2068 resort before this set of restrictions were put in place so wouldn’t that put it at 26 years?

Regardless of what resort you own, if you own restricted points you’ll lose access to a lot of resorts in 2042.

 

[eticketplease]

Regardless of what resort you own, if you own restricted points you’ll lose access to a lot of resorts in 2042.

Not sure how this solves the question about how the pp had stated 23 years.

Your statement is only partially correct.
Those who own resale at one of the O14 resorts will lose access to a lot of resorts in 2042.
Resale owners of RIV, VDH, CFW and whatever comes next never had access to those.

 

[Noodlez]

I'm sure you are right. On this trip, with little or no line, and a hot, tired 4-year old that would have demanded (with loud screams) to be carried the entire way to BCV, the Skyliner provided something for them to shift their mind and focus, and the Skyliner ride itself gave him a few minutes to recuperate, and be ready for the short walk to RIV. Maybe not easier than it would have been biting the bullet and just carrying them to a BCV room, but it worked well for us this trip .

This really surprises me! On my last trip (at quiet times of day) the walk to the end of the Skyliner line then back to the loading area was the same length as the walk to BCV, and then there was the Skyliner ride at the end, rather than being at your room already. At the end of the evening the line went past the BCV entrance, so the walk would have been about 3x as long by the time you got back to the start, before even doing the ride. It was seeing that line that made my husband say that he never wants to stay at RIV!

 

[airjay75]

This really surprises me! On my last trip (at quiet times of day) the walk to the end of the Skyliner line then back to the loading area was the same length as the walk to BCV, and then there was the Skyliner ride at the end, rather than being at your room already. At the end of the evening the line went past the BCV entrance, so the walk would have been about 3x as long by the time you got back to the start, before even doing the ride. It was seeing that line that made my husband say that he never wants to stay at RIV!

Interesting. We didn’t experience this at all. Went to Epcot two days in a row. First day, left immediately after fireworks. There was a line, but they hadn’t even opened up all of the “snake” area in the immediate Skyliner area - maybe it helped that we watched fireworks from the French pavilion? We waited maybe 10 minutes to get on. On night two, we stayed for moonlight magic, but left before the 11 pm MM fireworks. Was basically walk-on. Hollywood Studios was also super easy, although there, the 9 pm Fantasmic show we were planning to attend got cancelled, so we rode Tower of Terror one more time and then headed for the Skyliner. Waited less than 5 minutes to get on.

 

[MerlinandtheMouse]

This really surprises me! On my last trip (at quiet times of day) the walk to the end of the Skyliner line then back to the loading area was the same length as the walk to BCV, and then there was the Skyliner ride at the end, rather than being at your room already. At the end of the evening the line went past the BCV entrance, so the walk would have been about 3x as long by the time you got back to the start, before even doing the ride. It was seeing that line that made my husband say that he never wants to stay at RIV!

I’ve never seen that outside of closing tbh but I see it as no different really than waiting for a bus for any resort that requires a bus to certain parks. The line looks longs but it moves pretty quickly and consistently, usually no more than 15-20 minutes at peak.

I was staying at RIV opening night of Luminous and we had family staying at VGF. The wait for the skyliner was 20mins even though it reached back down the hill towards BCV. We were back in our rooms within 30 but my cousin and her family had just gotten on the monorail to the TTC as we were getting back to our room. Of course, if you were staying at BCV or BWV you’d be been in your room with 5-15mins of walking out but every resort has its transportation ups and downs.

This last trip over July4th we did a few nights at BCV, followed by a few nights at RIV and a last minute addition of a night at CCV and it keeps reminding me how much I dislike that deluxe resorts share buses.

Everyone’s threshold for what is more annoying is different. I’ll take a steady walking line for 15mins to board the skyliner over waiting 20mins for a bus, wait to load 2 scooters and then be the 3rd stop at the end of a long day, which happened 3x this trip from BCV. It’s made me rethink how much we love that resort tbh. Although tbf, it wasn’t just that but a few things that let me down at BCV this trip but that’s not really helpful to this conversation about transportation. As always with these discussions, YMMV.

 

[havoc315]

It hasn’t been 23 years since 2019. That was six years ago.

You’re quoting from a discussion about 2042….

In 2042, 2019 will be 23 years earlier.

You may prefer Riviera, but there is absolutely no possible way that the Skyliner ride from International Gateway is easier or more convenient than the sub 3 minute walk to BCV unless you have additional unmentioned limiting factors on your mobility. There is always zero wait on a walk, and your speed is determined by your own feet, not how fast other people board and disembark. And then you are home. I’m home before the line to Riviera has even boarded most nights.

Right after fireworks is indeed the time where walking is much easier than taking the skyliner. No question.
At most other times, the difference is personal preference. A short walk versus a short skyliner ride.

 

[havoc315]

Not sure how this solves the question about how the pp had stated 23 years.

Your statement is only partially correct.
Those who own resale at one of the O14 resorts will lose access to a lot of resorts in 2042.
Resale owners of RIV, VDH, CFW and whatever comes next never had access to those.

In 2042… all resale owners who bought after 2019 will be restricted from the majority of resorts. Meaning, in 2042, the only unrestricted resale contracts will be over 23 years old.

 

[havoc315]

Regardless of what resort you own, if you own restricted points you’ll lose access to a lot of resorts in 2042.

That’s what I originally thought as well but people could purchase CCV a 2068 resort before this set of restrictions were put in place so wouldn’t that put it at 26 years?

Only if you bought CCV resale before 2019. If you bought CCV resale after 2019, then you’re heavily restricted by 2042.

Meaning, in 2042… if you bought resale less than 23 years later, you’re heavily restricted.

 

[atthebeachclub]

if you bought resale less than 23 years later, you’re heavily restricted.

“Buy where you want to stay” stays relevant.

 

[eticketplease]

In 2042… all resale owners who bought after 2019 will be restricted from the majority of resorts. Meaning, in 2042, the only unrestricted resale contracts will be over 23 years old.

That’s correct….
But there will essentially be 3 pools of those owners:
1. Direct owners. Some of those direct owners will be on the 30th+ year of their contract at that point
2. Pre-2019 resale owners: in other words, those that have held their resale contracts for over 23 years. This group would include very few CCV owners. Wouldn’t include any contracts that originated with the Poly tower era, etc. And this group will likely be outnumbered by…
3. Those who own resale contracts that are under 23 years old.

Your reply was to mine that not all resale owners would be locked out Epcot resorts which is why I was certainly confused when you stated 23 years. Someone who purchased CCV before some date in January 2019 (1/19/19?) could book at an Epcot resort until their points expire on 1/31/68.
It might not be a walkable resort but RIV is considered an Epcot resort.

 

[havoc315]

“Buy where you want to stay” stays relevant.

Yes, becomes even more relevant.

 

[havoc315]

Your reply was to mine that not all resale owners would be locked out Epcot resorts which is why I was certainly confused when you stated 23 years. Someone who purchased CCV before some date in January 2019 (1/19/19?) could book at an Epcot resort until their points expire on 1/31/68.
It might not be a walkable resort but RIV is considered an Epcot resort.

I was replying to your response to this:

“Since all resale will be blocked out of the Epcot area in 2042, the 3 MK resorts will have awful 7-month issues, especially Poly since it has the best Epcot access”

Sorry if I wasn’t explicit enough. But thought I was pretty clearly talking about what the situation will look like in 2042.

In 2042, the only resale buyers who will not be locked out of all Epcot resorts, will be those that bought their contracts more than 23 years earlier.

 

[havoc315]

That’s what I originally thought as well but people could purchase CCV a 2068 resort before this set of restrictions were put in place so wouldn’t that put it at 26 years?

The expiration date is irrelevant to the point.

In 2042– if you’re a resale owner of ANY original resort:
If you bought your contract less than 23 years earlier (after 2019), you now only have access to a handful of resorts.
If you bought your contract more than 23 years earlier (before 2019), then you are still “unrestricted.”

My suspicion is that the pool of “ unrestricted” owners will be very small in 2042.

 

[tx911]

The expiration date is irrelevant to the point.

In 2042– if you’re a resale owner of ANY original resort:
If you bought your contract less than 23 years earlier (after 2019), you now only have access to a handful of resorts.
If you bought your contract more than 23 years earlier (before 2019), then you are still “unrestricted.”

My suspicion is that the pool of “ unrestricted” owners will be very small in 2042.

I agree that the downside of resale and the upside of direct will grow as we approach 2042.

 

[eticketplease]

I was replying to your response to this:

“Since all resale will be blocked out of the Epcot area in 2042, the 3 MK resorts will have awful 7-month issues, especially Poly since it has the best Epcot access”

Sorry if I wasn’t explicit enough. But thought I was pretty clearly talking about what the situation will look like in 2042.

In 2042, the only resale buyers who will not be locked out of all Epcot resorts, will be those that bought their contracts more than 23 years earlier.

My response to

Since all resale will be blocked out of the Epcot area in 2042, the 3 MK resorts will have awful 7-month issues, especially Poly since it has the best Epcot access.

Was

A good majority yes but not all. The last set of restrictions on resale were but in place in January 2019 so anyone that purchased before then can still book RIV at 7 months.

To which you replied

That’s correct….
But there will essentially be 3 pools of those owners:
1. Direct owners. Some of those direct owners will be on the 30th+ year of their contract at that point
2. Pre-2019 resale owners: in other words, those that have held their resale contracts for over 23 years. This group would include very few CCV owners. Wouldn’t include any contracts that originated with the Poly tower era, etc. And this group will likely be outnumbered by…
3. Those who own resale contracts that are under 23 years old.

So I can't speak for others but I was confused since we are talking about resale owners not being able to stay in Epcot resorts after 2042 and I stated some would still be able to by staying at RIV if they had purchased resale prior to the newest set of restrictions.

#1 and #3 are not relevant to the post imo as we are talking resale owners that can stay in Epcot area after 2042.

Thank you for explaining your #2 point with the holding their contracts of over 23 years since 2042. At least I know I was not the only confused one lol. It certainly makes sense about 23 or more years now that you brought up the 2042 that I had forgotten about probably since I saw you mentioned direct.