I think Ke$ha's lyrics set the women's movement back 50 years...

[NHdisneylover]

I am totally not a Ke$ha fan, that We R Who We R is a cool song and I kinda liked it, but that's about the only thing of hers I can tolerate. I just generally don't like her singing.


However, I am really a Katy Perry fan. Her music is fun and I like it. Her stuff is just silly and fun usually. "Last Friday Night" (as mentioned above) is my favorite song of hers. I don't think her stuff is meant to be taken seriously, the video is funny, she is funny. It's about having a good time and being crazy.




*I guess it could send the wrong message to young girls, BUT at some point maybe the parents should step in and use some judgement? If they don't want their kids listening to Katy Perry, by all means don't buy them her stuff.

I really enjoy Katy Perry too (as does DS12 but DD14 doesn't care for her, so make what you want of that). Anyway, the way I see it, lyrics like that are a gift to me as a parent They bring up all kinds of great issues that I should be talking about with my kids and give me a fantastic jumping off point

 

[anna_chronistic]

I really enjoy Katy Perry too (as does DS12 but DD14 doesn't care for her, so make what you want of that). Anyway, the way I see it, lyrics like that are a gift to me as a parent They bring up all kinds of great issues that I should be talking about with my kids and give me a fantastic jumping off point

That is perfect! If it's used as a "teachable moment" and there is active dialogue I can absolutely see it serving a useful purpose. It's like that song by Eminem and Rihanna, "Love the Way You Lie" -- I appreciate it because I think it brings to light both sides of abusive relationships, without glamorizing those relationships. My brother, on the other hand, thinks it DOES glamorize abuse. I guess it's a difference of opinion that is already evident on this thread. Some people just have different lines, and that's OK ... I wish people would discuss the issues more, though.

 

[NHdisneylover]

That is perfect! If it's used as a "teachable moment" and there is active dialogue I can absolutely see it serving a useful purpose. It's like that song by Eminem and Rihanna, "Love the Way You Lie" -- I appreciate it because I think it brings to light both sides of abusive relationships, without glamorizing those relationships. My brother, on the other hand, thinks it DOES glamorize abuse. I guess it's a difference of opinion that is already evident on this thread. Some people just have different lines, and that's OK ... I wish people would discuss the issues more, though.

Thanks It's not like we have a lecture every time one of these songs come on and kill the joy in the music, but we do manage to talk about the lyrics often enough to keep the conversation really going--and hoenstly there are SO many things to cover with teens and preteens these days I might just forget one or two if I did not have great reminderes like music and the DIS (lots of DIS threads are jumping off points in our house too).

 

[Robinrs]

Katy Perry, to me, is proof that that part of the music industry is about a trashy image rather than talent. Why? Because Zoe Deschanel has similar looks, is ten times the singer, and is much less well known (unless you refer to her as "the girl from Elf."

She's getting her own show on Fox this Fall. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qqojuj1zoU

 

[SookieStackhouse]

That is perfect! If it's used as a "teachable moment" and there is active dialogue I can absolutely see it serving a useful purpose. It's like that song by Eminem and Rihanna, "Love the Way You Lie" -- I appreciate it because I think it brings to light both sides of abusive relationships, without glamorizing those relationships. My brother, on the other hand, thinks it DOES glamorize abuse. I guess it's a difference of opinion that is already evident on this thread. Some people just have different lines, and that's OK ... I wish people would discuss the issues more, though.

As a kid, I really did not care for those "teachable moments". I grew up in the Madonna era, I guess I was about 14 when the "Papa Don't Preach" song came out, well that's just an awkward "teachable moment". It's like Mom...I do not have a boyfriend, I've never had a date, this really isn't an issue here. PLEASE, do not bring this up again.

 

[DisneyFan32WI]

She's getting her own show on Fox this Fall. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qqojuj1zoU

I hardly recognized her!

 

[Mermaid02]

She's getting her own show on Fox this Fall. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qqojuj1zoU

I love her.... can't wait for that show!

 

[LuvsDragonflies]

I hate to break it to all you whippersnappers, but lyrics like that are nothing new.

Relax, circa 1980s i believe.

Oh oh
Wee-ell-Now!

Relax don't do it
When you want to go to it
Relax don't do it
When you want to come
Relax don't do it
When you want to come
When you want to come

Relax don't do it
When you want to to go to it
Relax don't do it
When you want to come
Relax don't do it
When you want to suck to it
Relax don't do it
When you want to come
Come-oh oh oh

But shoot it in the right direction
Make making it your intention-ooh yeah
Live those dreams
Scheme those schemes
Got to hit me
Hit me
Hit me with those laser beams

I'm coming
I'm coming-yeah

Relax don't do it
When you want to go to it
Relax don't do it
When you want to come

Relax don't do it
When you want to suck to it
Relax don't do it (love)
When you want to come
When you want to come
When you want to come
Come-huh

Get it up
The scene of love
Oh feel it

Relax
Higher higher

Hey-
Pray

I can remember belting that out in the car with the radio when it suddenly dawned on me what the heck it meant. Sitting in the front with my mom. Awesome. I think I was around 13.


Lola? Walked like a woman but talked like a man.

Tonight's the Night? Remember "spread your wings alalalalalalaaaaa...." on the radio...in front of YOUR DAD. I thought I'd die. My best friend had to explain it to her dad.

Cecelia? I got up to wash my face when I come back to bed someone's taken my place??

Does anyone else remember this stuff? Because I'm really just not getting the whole wacked out offended, shocked thing. It's been going on for years. Keesha is nothing new.

If you can't explain to your kids that most music is silly and not based on reality, what the heck do you do about tv shows and movies?

 

[sunnyday123]

And let's not forget the oh so subtle, "Cocaine" by Eric Clapton, anything by Jefferson Starship....this ain't the 30's, folks. To me it's just like those people who say heavy metal make people kill each other and themselves. It's music, nothing more.

 

[Robinrs]

I hate to break it to all you whippersnappers, but lyrics like that are nothing new.

Relax, circa 1980s i believe.

Oh oh
Wee-ell-Now!

Relax don't do it
When you want to go to it
Relax don't do it
When you want to come
Relax don't do it
When you want to come
When you want to come

Relax don't do it
When you want to to go to it
Relax don't do it
When you want to come
Relax don't do it
When you want to suck to it
Relax don't do it
When you want to come
Come-oh oh oh

But shoot it in the right direction
Make making it your intention-ooh yeah
Live those dreams
Scheme those schemes
Got to hit me
Hit me
Hit me with those laser beams

I'm coming
I'm coming-yeah

Relax don't do it
When you want to go to it
Relax don't do it
When you want to come

Relax don't do it
When you want to suck to it
Relax don't do it (love)
When you want to come
When you want to come
When you want to come
Come-huh

Get it up
The scene of love
Oh feel it

Relax
Higher higher

Hey-
Pray

I can remember belting that out in the car with the radio when it suddenly dawned on me what the heck it meant. Sitting in the front with my mom. Awesome. I think I was around 13.


Lola? Walked like a woman but talked like a man.

Tonight's the Night? Remember "spread your wings alalalalalalaaaaa...." on the radio...in front of YOUR DAD. I thought I'd die. My best friend had to explain it to her dad.

Cecelia? I got up to wash my face when I come back to bed someone's taken my place??

Does anyone else remember this stuff? Because I'm really just not getting the whole wacked out offended, shocked thing. It's been going on for years. Keesha is nothing new.

If you can't explain to your kids that most music is silly and not based on reality, what the heck do you do about tv shows and movies?

Loooove Frankie Goes To Hollywood!!!

Whippersnappers?

Most of the atititudes and ways of the sexual revolution would curl MOST of the people on this board's hair. The difference was most of it was just merely sexual, not nasty, shocking or slutty. There IS a difference.

 

[punkin]

Loooove Frankie Goes To Hollywood!!!

Whippersnappers?

Most of the atititudes and ways of the sexual revolution would curl MOST of the people on this board's hair. The difference was most of it was just merely sexual, not nasty, shocking or slutty. There IS a difference.

What do you mean....not nasty? Remember Rick James. Yuk!

 

[stevenpensacola]

Seems everyone of her songs glorifies the air-headed, ditzy, party-gurlz stereotype.

Kind of hard to believe all this started from such a simple post...

 

[NHdisneylover]

As a kid, I really did not care for those "teachable moments". I grew up in the Madonna era, I guess I was about 14 when the "Papa Don't Preach" song came out, well that's just an awkward "teachable moment". It's like Mom...I do not have a boyfriend, I've never had a date, this really isn't an issue here. PLEASE, do not bring this up again.

Which, again is why I pointed out we also do not lecture all the time. I sang along to plenty of interesting stuff in the 80s myself (anyone remember Darling Nikki?).

Actually, as often as not there is a post right here on the DIS about some song. I'll be reading the thread or posting on it and my kdis will ask what the thread is about and I'll tell them that it is another one proving I am a terrible parent--this time becuase I let them listen to XYZ song DD14 will come back with, "oh do the think if I hear Last Friday Night that i am going to become a drunken party girl and post all sorts of inappropriate stuff online?" I'll respond "pretty much" and DS will roll his eyes and say "Why do they all think their kids are so stupid anyway?" and we all have a laugh. Sooo, we can find a way to bring it up in a light hearted, none lecture like, sort of way. Then once in a while I might get serious and say, I think you guys already know this, but that song brings up a good point about . . . (keeping an eye on your drink to keep someone from putting things in it was a recent one, so was reminders that anything you put online can be accessed forever, even if you erase it thanks to caching).

 

[luvsJack]

Which, again is why I pointed out we also do not lecture all the time. I sang along to plenty of interesting stuff in the 80s myself (anyone remember Darling Nikki?).

Actually, as often as not there is a post right here on the DIS about some song. I'll be reading the thread or posting on it and my kdis will ask what the thread is about and I'll tell them that it is another one proving I am a terrible parent--this time becuase I let them listen to XYZ song DD14 will come back with, "oh do the think if I hear Last Friday Night that i am going to become a drunken party girl and post all sorts of inappropriate stuff online?" I'll respond "pretty much" and DS will roll his eyes and say "Why do they all think their kids are so stupid anyway?" and we all have a laugh. Sooo, we can find a way to bring it up in a light hearted, none lecture like, sort of way. Then once in a while I might get serious and say, I think you guys already know this, but that song brings up a good point about . . . (keeping an eye on your drink to keep someone from putting things in it was a recent one, so was reminders that anything you put online can be accessed forever, even if you erase it thanks to caching).

I agree. Not everything warrants a speech or a lecture or a conversation. Sometimes you just know your kid is smarter than that, afterall weren't you back when the music you listened to talked about the same thing?

Music hasn't changed that much folks, most of us have gotten older and have become parents. It just seems worse where your kid is the one listening to it instead of you.

 

[Robinrs]

What do you mean....not nasty? Remember Rick James. Yuk!

Yeah, there were a few... Rick was considered a stoner so we just ignored his lyrics!

 

[anna_chronistic]

Which, again is why I pointed out we also do not lecture all the time. I sang along to plenty of interesting stuff in the 80s myself (anyone remember Darling Nikki?).

Actually, as often as not there is a post right here on the DIS about some song. I'll be reading the thread or posting on it and my kdis will ask what the thread is about and I'll tell them that it is another one proving I am a terrible parent--this time becuase I let them listen to XYZ song DD14 will come back with, "oh do the think if I hear Last Friday Night that i am going to become a drunken party girl and post all sorts of inappropriate stuff online?" I'll respond "pretty much" and DS will roll his eyes and say "Why do they all think their kids are so stupid anyway?" and we all have a laugh. Sooo, we can find a way to bring it up in a light hearted, none lecture like, sort of way. Then once in a while I might get serious and say, I think you guys already know this, but that song brings up a good point about . . . (keeping an eye on your drink to keep someone from putting things in it was a recent one, so was reminders that anything you put online can be accessed forever, even if you erase it thanks to caching).

Marry me.

 

[LuvsDragonflies]

Loooove Frankie Goes To Hollywood!!!

Whippersnappers?

Most of the atititudes and ways of the sexual revolution would curl MOST of the people on this board's hair. The difference was most of it was just merely sexual, not nasty, shocking or slutty. There IS a difference.

I don't think it's because it wasn't around, I think the nastiest stuff was just too much to play on mainstream radio, which doesn't seem to be a problem anymore. Sort of like how you used not be able to curse on TV and now certain words are okay, and ALL is okay on cable channels.

Now, as for getting all dressed up and going out to dance at bars (aka as clubs now), you KNOW we were hot and we weren't looking for salvation. It was party time. Maybe it was just my crowd, but nobody was going out to dance and not drink. Heck we just called them "bars". lol

 

[Conservative Hippie]

Loooove Frankie Goes To Hollywood!!!

Whippersnappers?

Most of the atititudes and ways of the sexual revolution would curl MOST of the people on this board's hair. The difference was most of it was just merely sexual, not nasty, shocking or slutty. There IS a difference.

I agree - subtle and suggestive is one thing, shockingly slutty and in your face is another. You can't really compare "Raspberry Beret" to Britney's "3."

I agree. Not everything warrants a speech or a lecture or a conversation. Sometimes you just know your kid is smarter than that, afterall weren't you back when the music you listened to talked about the same thing?

Music hasn't changed that much folks, most of us have gotten older and have become parents. It just seems worse where your kid is the one listening to it instead of you.

Definitely true. I've listened to top 40 pop my whole life, but the minute my 3 year old started singing along to Rihanna's "Rude Boy," I swore never to play top 40 while she was in the car again. Or at least until she's old enough to have those "teachable moments."

 

[Andtototoo]

I don't think it's because it wasn't around, I think the nastiest stuff was just too much to play on mainstream radio,

Sure it was. I remember quite a few times growing up when I'd ask my parents what 'that' meant, only to be told it was about sex and I was too young to know. Like say listening to the oldies station and hearing Little Richard's Good Golly Miss Molly ... well, I wasn't that old before I figured out he wasn't singing about a girl going to a Yankees game.

In the 1960s--70s, there were a lot of overtly sexual songs played on mainstream Top 40 station. Love to Love You, Baby by Donna Summer, Whole Lotta Love by Led Zep and Feel Like Makin' Love by Bad Company come to mind immediately. LTLYB went to #2 on the Billboard Hot 100, FLML went to #10 and WLL went to #4 on the Billboard Hot 100 chart -- positions impossible to achieve in those days without significant mainstream radio airplay.

 

[NHdisneylover]

Marry me.

thanks --but even though I listen to Katey Perry I have no desire to actually be a part of a menage a trois

I don't think it's because it wasn't around, I think the nastiest stuff was just too much to play on mainstream radio, which doesn't seem to be a problem anymore. Sort of like how you used not be able to curse on TV and now certain words are okay, and ALL is okay on cable channels.

Now, as for getting all dressed up and going out to dance at bars (aka as clubs now), you KNOW we were hot and we weren't looking for salvation. It was party time. Maybe it was just my crowd, but nobody was going out to dance and not drink. Heck we just called them "bars". lol

Actually, our entire family was stunned by how very censored radio music is in the US when we went "home" for Christmas this year. Before it was all we knew and the changes often did not stand out to us. Coming from Germany--where they do not change anything for radio play--we caught a lot of sings that had changed lyrics. It must have been about every other song--so there is certainly some attempt to keep "the nastiest stuff" off of mainstream radio these days.