I need some Star Wars Info

LisaR

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I apologize in advance if this isn't the right board. I am approaching 40 and have never seen a single episode of Star Wars! I know very little about it. My 5 year old ds was really sick last weekend and my dh rented the first Star Wars for them to watch together. My son is Star Wars crazy now! I started thinking why there isn't anything at Disney on Star Wars except at MGM. Why doesn't the DS sell any Star Wars merchandise? I know Disney has a Star Wars weekend once a year. So, is Star Wars a Disney thing or not? Is there some battle taking place between Disney and whoever made Star Wars? Thanks for any info you can provide for this out of touch mom!

Lisa
 
Star Wars is the property of George Lucas. He and Disney have collaborated on a two rides (Star Tours and Alien Encounter). Disney sells Star War merchandise only at their parks, not the local Disney Store.
 
The Disney company, Michael Eisner and George Lucas (creator of ‘Star Wars’ and ‘Indiana Jones’) have a long and troubled history. While that makes them no different than most people in Hollywood, but few are played out in public like this one is.

First – yes, the pre-Eisner Disney company did turn down the first ‘Star Wars’ movie. And so did just about everyone else in town. Even Eisner turned it down when he worked for Paramount. ‘Star Wars’ really is the classic Hollywood Cinderella story (pardon the metaphor) about the little movie no one wanted at first, but then everyone had to have.

Fast forward until after the first movie’s success: Disney was kicking itself for turning down ‘Star Wars’ and for losing its “magic”. They tried to produce similar giant family “blockbuster” movies to cash in on the 'Star Wars' craze like ‘The Black Hole’ and ‘Tron’. Both were financial disasters and hastened the end of the old management. Over at Paramount, Eisner too wanted a piece of the ‘Star Wars’ action and more. He drove a big and expensive scheme to start a (then) fourth network based around a relaunch of Paramount’s ‘Star Trek’ series. A lot of money was spent on shows, buying television stations and all the stuff one needs to build a network – and the entire business deal collapsed. Eisner’s career is put on the “didn’t he used to work here?” path and he began looking for another job*. George Lucas, a novice filmmaker not all that long out of film school, finds himself as the leader of a tremendous entertainment franchise through some very shrewd business deals. He is on the look-out for ways of expanding ‘Star Wars’. A lot of people had been trying to cash in, and most of it was garbage (anyone got a bootleg copy of 'The Star Wars Christmas Special' knows the painful truth).

Fast forward a couple more years. Eisner has been hired by Disney to bring in some “star power” to the company. He sees the parks as being nothing more than the movie business, a business were a big name can open a movie. So Eisner goes out shopping for big names to buy. George Lucas grew up in suburban California and is/was basically as big of a Disney nut as a lot of people on these boards. In the press kit for ‘The Empire Strikes Back’ he’s quoted as saying that if he wasn’t making ‘Star Wars’ movies he’d most likely be taking tickets at Disneyland.

Anyway, phone calls are exchanged, meetings are taken and these people talk to those people. To say that both groups were excited is an extreme understatement. Lucas had found a way to bring ‘Star Wars’ to life in exactly the same way Walt Disney brought his creations to life. Lucas found a way of expanding his world that was both creative and of high quality. Disney/Eisner found the one of the few names that was like Walt’s name in the public’s perception for imagination and excitement. The marriage was perfect.

WDI found a source of stories for their rides that was both exciting and popular (how’d you like to have been the guy that had to make a dark ride out of ‘The Cat from Outer Space’?). Ideas poured out. The largest and most grand was the second gate a Disneyland (a long held dream before Eisner showed up) which was a third ‘Star Wars’, a third ‘Indiana Jones’ and a third ‘Willow’ (hey, no one knew at the time…). Lucas spent many, many happy hours dreaming up ideas with all the people at WDI. In turn, WDI turned to Lucas for help and opinion on non-Lucas shows and rides. They got along great.

But, Disney was run by Eisner and dreams have a way of magically being diminished. A long series of exchanges between Lucas and Eisner began. Instead of a park, how about remaking all of Tomorrowland into a ‘Star Wars’ spaceport? Nope, too expensive. Okay, how about just a couple of rides? No, too much money still. Okay, how about this big roller coaster through the Death Star? No…..? Well I guess we can still use these simulators which you bought for another ride – we can still make something good out of these. Now for the ‘Indiana Jones’ temple for Walt Disney World…Oh, you don’t have the money for a ride, but you want to use the ‘Indy’ character for the stunt show because MGM was asking too much money for the rights to James Bond. Well, I guess this can just be a start…..

It slowly dawned on George Lucas that Eisner wasn’t interested in expanding ‘Star Wars’ and mostly certainly wasn’t interested in any ideas that Lucas had. All Eisner was interested in was the Lucas® brand name in the marketing campaigns. Instead of finding a partner to create with, Lucas finds himself with just one more person trying to extort money out of what George created (albeit one step above Bea Arthur signing the Wookie Christmas song). The relationship between Lucas and Eisner soured very quickly.

By the time ‘The Phantom Menace’ came out, Disney and Lucas were only communicating through lawyers and royalty checks. Lucas feels Eisner is only out to sell t-shirts, Eisner feels Lucas is greedy and doesn’t understand business. Other matters are coming into play: Eisner’s mistreatment of Pixar (founded by Lucas), Eisner’s relationship with George’s good friend Steven Spielberg (soured over ‘Roger Rabbit’ and other issues long before Katzenberg), allegations of unpaid royalties and broken contracts, etc., etc., etc.

There are plenty of rumors currently floating around about the future between Disney and Lucas. The ‘Star Wars’ events at WDW have been cancelled. There are no new rides planned. The fate of any update to the ‘Star Tours’ attractions is unclear and there are strong rumors Eisner wants them gone. Lucas is rumored to be in talks with other theme park companies about attractions based on the “prequel” movies (not technically part of the Disney-Lucas contract). In short, it’s a mess.

So, enjoy ‘Star Tours’ and the ‘Indiana Jones Stunt Show’. Just don’t expect anything more to be coming.


* - an interesting side note from the whole fourth network fiasco. The work that was put into the ‘Star Trek’ series was salvaged into ‘Star Trek: The Motion Picture’. At the time Eisner told everyone it was a surefire way to make a lot of money. But it turned out to be a very costly movie that didn’t do all that well at the box office. Eisner took most of the blame for its failure but his young assistant, one Jeffrey Katzenberg, received a lot of credit for pushing the film through production. Many at the time thought Katzenberg would eventually replace Eisner at Paramount. Looks like that still will happen, only at a different company and at a much different level. And the idea about a fourth network – Eisner’s boss at Paramount took the idea over to another company, found “better idiots” and started the Fox Network. The very same network that beat out Eisner’s ABC network last year’s ratings.

Hollywood is a very small town…
 

Did they not collaborate on Indy, both MGM & DL?
 
What about Indy at Disneyland? How did it fit into the big picture? It almost seems like a miracle that it ever came into being.
 
Too bad about the Star Wars Spaceport...that would have been a great make over of tomorrowland...and a way to further differentiate WDW from DL.
 
George Lucas’ involvement with ‘Captain Eo’ was pretty much limited to arm twisting Disney into hiring Francis Ford Coppola to direct the movie (which, by the way, remains one of the most expensive movies ever made in terms of dollars spent per minute of screen time). FFC is a good friend of Mr. Lucas and is always in need of a job (again, such is the life in Hollywood). Mr. Lucas was also called into the political battles behind-the-scenes of ‘Alien Encounter’ and had very little to do with any creative aspect of the show. Basically a bunch of WDI types were able to tell Eisner “but George likes it” and they mentioned Mr. Lucas’ name in a few press releases.

The ‘Indiana Jones’ ride at Disneyland and DisneySea came from about the same time as ‘Star Tours’. The plan was to add a massive temple complex and more than double the size of Disneyland’s Adventureland. The guests would have boarded the Jungle Cruise boats and journeyed down river deep into the bush. They would have exited at Indiana Jones’ latest dig site, The Temple which would have been a whole mini-land unto itself. The complex would contain the jeep ride, a roller coaster/mine ride, an exploration area (think Tom Sawyer’s Island with all the interactive effects from the old ImagineWorks at Epcot) a show area and a food facility.

Needless to say, the budget cutting started and pretty soon all that was left was the jeep ride (the current ‘Indiana Jones and the Temple of the Forbidden Eye’) – and that survived mostly because of early efforts by Frank Wells. The very first thing Paul Pressler tried to do when he became President of Disneyland was to kill the ride, but it was already too far along.

By the time work was really started on the ride relations between Mr. Lucas and Eisner were pretty bad and grew worse as Disney battled over the Indiana Jones figure. Mr. Lucas, always protective of his work, insisted that Disney present the “real” Indiana Jones and use Harrison Ford as the model and voice for the audio-animatronic figure and as the actor in the pre-show film. Disney said “great!”, but maintained that their contract with Lucas included free use of Mr. Ford. Mr. Lucas and Mr. Ford disagreed and asked for the Actor’s Guild minimum payment. Disney refused, the Actor’s Guild threatened to bar Mr. Ford if he violated the contract, and so Disneyland’s Indiana Jones looks and sounds like someone else. And Mr. Lucas has one more gripe.

The Stunt Show at the Disney/MGM Studios started out as a show featuring James Bond – MGM’s most popular and well known movie franchise. However, MGM and the other rights holders to “James Bond” expected payment for their use of their intellectual property. Disney refused again. Since Disney already had licensed the rights to Indy, a car chase through Monte Carlo became a foot chase through Tunis. The show was created without much (if any) input from Mr. Lucas. He was told, in fact, that it was a temporary show anyway, soon to give way to a much more elaborate Indiana Jones attraction. Well, guess what…

In short, there were a lot of very high hopes for the Disney-Lucas collaboration and a lot of projects were started. But poor handling of matters quickly spoiled the party.
 
Thanks for all the great inside info AV!!!
It seems to me that it would be best for disney to lose all rights to Star Wars/Indy and let another park build high quality attractions around those figures because it is apparent disney is too cheap to do justice to Star Wars/Indy which is evidenced by the now boring Star Tours attractions which has long outlived its useful life!!!!
 
Originally posted by Bob O
Thanks for all the great inside info AV!!!
It seems to me that it would be best for disney to lose all rights to Star Wars/Indy and let another park build high quality attractions around those figures because it is apparent disney is too cheap to do justice to Star Wars/Indy which is evidenced by the now boring Star Tours attractions which has long outlived its useful life!!!!

*Cough* Universal Stuidos *Cough* What a great ride they could make with the Spiderman technology and Starwars theme.
 
Europe, just what i was thinking!!!! Disney has shown they are too cheap to update Star Tours or re-do the dated stunt show.
 
Wow, what alot of great information! :p Probably the most interesting thread I've read here! Thanks a bunch!
 
Mr. Lucas and Mr. Ford disagreed and asked for the Actor’s Guild minimum payment. Disney refused..

Isn't that chump change by Hollywood standards?
 
Considering that back then getting Ford for a movie would've easily set your budget back 10mil, it's would have been a steal...especially considering Ford's relatively reclusive nature.
 












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