I need advice from people who tow! :)

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I asked this question on another board, and some genius person suggested I ask here, because no one knows better than frequent campers about cars that can tow.

My husband and I are looking at buying a used SUV. We need AWD/4WD (we think) to get up the hill by our house, and they are notoriously bad about plowing in my town. On top of that, we have a 21-foot pontoon and trailer we'd like to pull, as well as reserve the capacity for a pop-up trailer or small camper at some point in the future.

I'm really just interested in SUVs... I was wondering what you folks might recommend for a good, reliable SUV that can comfortably pull a pontoon. Specific makes/models are appreciated, but even just general suggestions about what it would need to have (aside from a trailer hitch - hehe).

Thank you in advance!
 
My parents used to tow a lot. But a couple of questions first. How far are you planning on towing and also what kind of weight are we talking. Also where do you plan on towing (flat areas or through the mountains)? These will determine what you will want to tow with. 4wd is more about traction not really towing capacity (snow or gravel hills). My parents had a Honda CRV that we towed snowmobiles behind for short distances. I would never have used it to tow them long distances.
 
Well... the area where I live is pretty hilly. In terms of distance, probably... 180 miles or so max. The boat probably weighs somewhere around 3000 or 3500 with trailer, I'm thinking...
 
I'd suggest picking a few different models, go onto the web and find out their towing capacity, then decide from there. You can pick up a Dodge Durango with a 5.7 L Hemi engine that can pull 3500 lbs in it's sleep.

If you want something larger, a Suburban or Yukon would have no problems pulling your pontoon.

Good luck!
 

Thanks for the suggestions - does anyone have any experience with tow-able SUVs? They all have equally good ratings on Edmunds.com, it seems, so that doesn't really help in my decision process.

So far we've looked at:

Ford Explorers
Chevy Trailblazers
Toyota 4Runner
GMC Envoy
Toyota Highlander (but I don't think it has enough oomph unless I can get a 2008 or newer)
Honda Pilot

We'd prefer to stay the step down from the biggest SUVs like the Expedition and Yukon, but bigger than compact SUVs or crossovers.
 
I would say you definitely want something with a V8. The style is probably based on preference, price, and family size. The ones mentioned above are good to look at.
 
If you're gonna pull a popup/small camper, the bigger the better. You want whatever you're towing, hitch, all gear, people and all weight in vehicle to stay under 75 percent of your towing capacity. So if your capacity is 3500, top towing weight should be 2625 lbs. That is not enough for any camper.

We learned this the hard way. Oh, and any sales guy will outright lie to you to get you to buy his vehicle.
 
If you're gonna pull a popup/small camper, the bigger the better. You want whatever you're towing, hitch, all gear, people and all weight in vehicle to stay under 75 percent of your towing capacity. So if your capacity is 3500, top towing weight should be 2625 lbs. That is not enough for any camper.
This is good advice, never get close to your limits.

Towing capacities of vehicles are based on several factors including the vehicle frame type (unibody or frame), engine, transmission, rear end gear ratio, tires/load range, engine cooling capacity, transmission cooling capacity, alternator capacity as well as several other things. You are going to have to do a lot of studying and downloading of manufacturer towing guides to get all the information. Folks on the internet will tell you vehicle X can tow Y pounds and leave it at that. The problem is that to tow "Y" you have to have a properly equipped vehicle. Don't fall in love with a vehicle that you find for sale until you determine the exact towing capacity of that specific vehicle. As has been pointed out you need to remember what different people's roles are in this equation:

  • Your role is to get the tow vehicle you need to keep your family safe

  • The sales persons role is to separate you from your money and sell you they vehicle they have in stock now, not necessarily the one you need. I know I'm going to paint with a very wide brush here, but most folks selling RV's and used cars have a propensity to say what you want to hear so they can make the sale. I can't stress this enough - don't believe a salesman's word on the the towing capacity of a vehicle unless you saw him take out a pencil/paper and figure it. It is never a "this vehicle can tow that" answer!!!

Now, another thing to keep in mind is how the vehicle manufacturer figures their tow ratings. Many of them base the rating on a vehicle with only 1/2 tank of fuel, a 170 pound driver, no passengers and no luggage. Any weight you add to the vehicle reduces the capacity that can be towed. Oh, hubby weighs more then 170, thats a reduction. You want more passengers (like bringing the kids along?), more reductions. Luggage, food, a full tank of gas, more reductions. I think you get the picture.

You say you want to tow a pop up in the future? How big? I've seen pop ups that can safely be towed by a motorcycle (neat, actually) to mine that I only feel comfortable towing with a full sized pick up equipped with a diesel engine! (See my numbers below, 3,500 lb towing capacity aint going to do it!)

There are many other things to think about, do you want to look at weight carrying hitches or weight distribution hitches? Brakes, electric or surge?

You have to start studying what you want and figuring out what it will take to tow it. Well meaning folks on the internet can give you great ideas, but they are not going to do your homework.

Just as an example, here are my numbers. While is seems like overkill, once I load the trailer to near capacity and load the truck with the wife, 2 German Shepherd Dogs and all our camping stuff I can get close to the limits.

Camper:
Box Size (Inside Length) 14'
• Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR), (lbs.) 3770
• Unloaded Vehicle Weight (UVW), (lbs.) 2890
• Unloaded Tongue Weight (UTW), (lbs.) 255
• Cargo Carrying Capacity (CCC), (lbs.) 620

Tow vehicle:
GCWR 20,000 Lb
GAWR (Front) 5,200 Lb
GAWR (Rear) 6,830 Lb
Trailer Weight Range 0-10,600 Lb
Trailer Frontal Area* 60 sq. ft.
Horsepower 325 @ 3300
Torque 560 @ 2000

*This is the total area in square feet that a vehicle and trailer exposes to air resistance. Obviously, the frontal area of the trailer will not really apply to pop up campers, but for travel trailers and hybrids you may want to pay attention to this figure.
 
If you're gonna pull a popup/small camper, the bigger the better. You want whatever you're towing, hitch, all gear, people and all weight in vehicle to stay under 75 percent of your towing capacity. So if your capacity is 3500, top towing weight should be 2625 lbs. That is not enough for any camper.

We learned this the hard way. Oh, and any sales guy will outright lie to you to get you to buy his vehicle.

Absolutely this. And just to further make this point - most, if not all, vehicles' published tow capacities only account for a single driver. So subtract for the weight of the rest of the family and any pets, your gear clothes etc, and anything you might want to strap onto the tow vehicle like bikes, kayaks, etc.

Do a little research on weights of the types of campers that you might be considering in the future and take the pontoon and its trailer to a truck scale and know its weight as well. Then you'll truly know what you're working with rather than guessing. (and with campers, add a good margin of weight to the published dry weight...they are notoriously light on the published weights)

We used to tow our pop-up with an SUV (Hyundai Santa Fe with a 3500 lb. tow capacity)...even though our PUP (an Aliner) was under 2000 lbs. fully loaded to the gills, we just didn't have enough power for my comfort when towing in hilly terrain once we had all of our toys loaded up for camping trips. I've always considered us SUV folks, but we ended up getting a truck (knowing we were going to upsize in campers.) I love, love, love our Toyota Tundra Crewmax - enormous and comfy interior and the truck bed is more handy than I ever thought it would be. Easy to drive, not at all clunky like I figured a truck would be. And it really opened up the possibilities for us when shopping for our next camper.

Best of luck in your research!
 
Thanks for the advice, everyone. I've been doing research, but there are so many choices out there that it can get overwhelming! At this point, I'm pretty much not willing to even consider something that can tow less than 5000 lbs.

I'll definitely keep all these points in mind :)
 
I tow a 2001 Coleman Bayside Elite that has a GVWR {Gross Vehicle Weight Rating} of 3750 lbs. I tow this with a 2006 Ford Explorer XLT 4.6L V8 with the tow package with the class III/IV hitch and it tows like a dream. If you get one with the tow package, installing a brake controller is as simple as plugging in the connector in case your pop-up has electric brakes {which mine does}. I have towed this configuration from Ohio to the Fort, from Ohio to Myrtle Beach and both routes go over some pretty steep mountains. No problems.

Do your homework and understand GVWR's, tongue weights, hitch ratings and how to calculate them. You will have peace of mind that you will reach your destination safely.

Good luck.
 















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