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I enjoyed your detailed report! What is the deal with rental car? What is BCP CB? It’s a money maker! :goodvibes
Thanks! BCP is the Amex Blue Cash Preferred. I get 6% cash back on groceries with the card, so I cashed out $150 from my accumulated cash back to "erase" my car rental charge. I could have gotten a cheaper rental from a different company, but we have Emerald Club Executive with our CSR and I love being able to walk right out to the Emerald/Executive aisles, choose a really nice car, and drive off the lot.
 
It's not too late, but you don't want to delay more than you need to get the points together. Award availability is always limited, so there's a chance the lowest mileage seats will no longer be available when you're ready to book and you'll have to settle for higher mileage award seats or redeeming points through the Chase travel portal.



I'm not a fan of direct debit because in most cases you're not earning anything on it. You mentioned that you're earning 3% back if you make 15 transactions of $10 or more. That's something. But with my wallet of cards that offer bonuses on a broad range of categories, I'm almost always earning 3x or more on my spend. And if you're working on an new card MSR, the return is even higher. Take for example the CIP, you'll get a minimum of $850 worth of points back on $5,095 spend -- that's at least a 16.6% return, more if you're hitting 3x bonus categories during your MSR period.



As I said, it looks like you can get 2 RT flights for DMS<>NRT for as little as 140k miles on UA, which can be transferred from 140k UR points. If you do 2 CIPs, that's a 80k UR signup bonus for you, 20k UR referral bonus for you when you refer DH, another 80k UR signup bonus for DH's card, and at least 10k UR from the combined $5k+$5k MSR = 190k UR points. 140k UR for flights would leave you with 50k UR. You could stop there. This is your plan, your finances, so where you start and stop is your choice. But if you want to pay for hotels with points or upgrade your hotel options, book activities, offset the cost of JR Passes or Tokyo Disneyland tickets, start saving for your next adventure, you can do all of this with more points. Because you're starting with a clean slate, my notepad math tells me you can easily earn 342k more UR points by signing up for at least 3 of Chase's other UR-earning cards, meeting the minimum spend on them for the signup bonuses, then referring DH for the same cards, meeting the spend and earning the bonuses too. 342k UR + 50k UR leftover from your CIP = 392k UR, which if redeemed through the CSR (one of the cards you'd be signing up for) with its 50% bonus would be worth up to $5,880 in travel.
It truly is AMAZING how much you can earn when you have a clean slate with Chase and are in 2 player mode. Our plan is to hit the following in a 2 year span (with some other cards mixed in too):
  • 2x CIP
  • 2x CSP
  • 2x CSR
  • 2x CIC or CIU
That's $32,000 in combined MSR BUT it's also worth over $8,000 in travel when you include the base points and potential referral points. This doesn't even include the ability to potentially do BOTH CIC and CIU and looking at CF and CFU.
 
Chase also seems to give more than exactly 3 months for the $5,000 spend. I was just approved today for the CIP and messaged Chase asking by what date did I have to spend $5,000 to get the 80,000points and they messaged back 9/6...
Well that's good to know. Thanks!
 

It's not too late, but you don't want to delay more than you need to get the points together. Award availability is always limited, so there's a chance the lowest mileage seats will no longer be available when you're ready to book and you'll have to settle for higher mileage award seats or redeeming points through the Chase travel portal.



I'm not a fan of direct debit because in most cases you're not earning anything on it. You mentioned that you're earning 3% back if you make 15 transactions of $10 or more. That's something. But with my wallet of cards that offer bonuses on a broad range of categories, I'm almost always earning 3x or more on my spend. And if you're working on an new card MSR, the return is even higher. Take for example the CIP, you'll get a minimum of $850 worth of points back on $5,095 spend -- that's at least a 16.6% return, more if you're hitting 3x bonus categories during your MSR period.



As I said, it looks like you can get 2 RT flights for DMS<>NRT for as little as 140k miles on UA, which can be transferred from 140k UR points. If you do 2 CIPs, that's a 80k UR signup bonus for you, 20k UR referral bonus for you when you refer DH, another 80k UR signup bonus for DH's card, and at least 10k UR from the combined $5k+$5k MSR = 190k UR points. 140k UR for flights would leave you with 50k UR. You could stop there. This is your plan, your finances, so where you start and stop is your choice. But if you want to pay for hotels with points or upgrade your hotel options, book activities, offset the cost of JR Passes or Tokyo Disneyland tickets, start saving for your next adventure, you can do all of this with more points. Because you're starting with a clean slate, my notepad math tells me you can easily earn 342k more UR points by signing up for at least 3 of Chase's other UR-earning cards, meeting the minimum spend on them for the signup bonuses, then referring DH for the same cards, meeting the spend and earning the bonuses too. 342k UR + 50k UR leftover from your CIP = 392k UR, which if redeemed through the CSR (one of the cards you'd be signing up for) with its 50% bonus would be worth up to $5,880 in travel.
I'll have to talk to DH and see what he thinks. I guess I'm a little worried that I will get a lot of UR and be too late to get the flights we want.
 
Chase also seems to give more than exactly 3 months for the $5,000 spend. I was just approved today for the CIP and messaged Chase asking by what date did I have to spend $5,000 to get the 80,000points and they messaged back 9/6...

Well that's good to know. Thanks!

Chase unofficially gives 115 days from the date of approval to meet the minimum spending requirement. However, it's always a good idea to send a secure message to Chase from your account to confirm your signup bonus offer and by when you need to meet the minimum spending requirement.
 
I'll have to talk to DH and see what he thinks. I guess I'm a little worried that I will get a lot of UR and be too late to get the flights we want.
Keep in mind then that you could just cash those points out. (I'm not advising you to do that as the travel option is MUCH more lucrative) but 190,000 URs is worth $1,900 in straight cash :)
 
Keep in mind then that you could just cash those points out. (I'm not advising you to do that as the travel option is MUCH more lucrative) but 190,000 URs is worth $1,900 in straight cash :)
So you're saying using the UR is better than cashing them out right?
 
So you're saying using the UR is better than cashing them out right?
Oh yes! :D In this instance (assuming 190,000 points) - you could transfer them to United and pay for those flights (which I think cost > $3,000). You could also use them through Chase's travel portal and they're worth almost $2,400 (or if you later get a CSR card they'd be worth over $2,800).

Cash is basically a last resort...but $1,900 in cash as a fallback isn't bad either :)
 
DH and I currently get 3% back on our checking account per month if we make 15 transactions with over $10 for each transaction. He is a little worried we will lose that 3% cash back by charging everything to credit cards.

This is where MIYF comes in, fortunately or unfortunately depending on your feeling in the matter. :laughing: I doubt it's an actual acronym, but Math Is Your Friend will tell you to add up the 3% you're currently getting on the checking account between now and your trip, then compare it to what you could get with the credit card bonuses. @Lain and @SouthFayetteFan I think have drawn out your potential in $$ for the couple credit cards, but not knowing your checking account rules and earnings, so you'll have to see what you expect to get there and compare it.

Might have to run a few scenarios, but I'd have to think the sign up bonuses will net you more than the 3%. Maybe the checking wins out on everyday CC usage, but those sign up bonuses are pretty big and might be worth temporary changes. Something to ponder.
 
Awesome job working through recon! That can be tough on a business card :)

I would say your experience is probably due to the credit limit thing (was that 50% credit limit with Chase ONLY to your income?). Once you get a set of human eyes on your app, all the conventional knowledge can go out the window as they can get hung up on all sorts of things.

My wife has no typical income, but sells MJ clothing and does bookkeeping. Both newer businesses, and neither generate much income yet. So, it's just my income and just my credit lines (if I count her lines we are above 100%). And, is an average of my income as my income fluctuates a lot each year.
 
I'll have to talk to DH and see what he thinks. I guess I'm a little worried that I will get a lot of UR and be too late to get the flights we want.

Keep in mind then that you could just cash those points out. (I'm not advising you to do that as the travel option is MUCH more lucrative) but 190,000 URs is worth $1,900 in straight cash :)

So you're saying using the UR is better than cashing them out right?

I mean, even if @Haley R can't find award availability on UA for 140k points/miles RT, she could still book a cash fare on the UR portal and use UR points to pay with a 1.25x or 1.5x redemption bonus, which is better than cashing out 1:1.

So take for example the $3,200 tickets you found. If you had 190k UR, you could cash them out at 1:1 for $1,900; or you could redeem them on the UR travel portal with a 1.25x bonus (the redemption rate for holding your points on the CIC) for $2,375 applied towards the $3,200 tickets, and you'd pay the difference of $825 (plus taxes and fees) on your credit card if you didn't have any more points.
 
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Chase unofficially gives 115 days from the date of approval to meet the minimum spending requirement. However, it's always a good idea to send a secure message to Chase from your account to confirm your signup bonus offer and by when you need to meet the minimum spending requirement.
Agree..I always message and ask...then screen shot the answer
 
Those are really good suggestions!! Thank you! Would the one CIP be enough for us or would we have to get different Chase cards as well? I'm just worried about spending the $5000 plus more to get the bonuses.

If you are happy with your points being worth 1.25 instead of 1.5 then yes. Take it one card at a time. You don’t have to dive head first into this hobby. It’s ok to wade in and feel things out.

Is it too late for us to try and get these bonuses and points for next May?

Not at all, especially if you are going to pay for travel via the UR portal. If you are looking at award flights, that always depends on the airlines. If your dates are flexible and you are traveling economy you may still be just fine.

So would we be okay only getting the two CIP cards and no other cards? I hope we have enough time between now and when we want to book flights/hotels to earn the points.

If that is what you are comfortable with then yes, of course. The two cards will earn you over $2,000 , which is awesome, and if that is good enough for you then that will make it perfect.

DH and I currently get 3% back on our checking account per month if we make 15 transactions with over $10 for each transaction. He is a little worried we will lose that 3% cash back by charging everything to credit cards.

Will the 3% back total over $1,062 (value of 85,000 UR points with CIP) in 3 months. If the answer is yes, then stick with the checking account. If you are getting 3% back on $3500 in debit card transactions then the checking account is earning $105 per month. So, $315 over 3 months. I’d forego $315 to get $1062.50 any day.

Well that's good to know. Thanks!

Don’t bank on it completely though. A good rule of thumb to be safe is count 3 months from date of application and allow time for transactions to post. You don’t want to go through the trouble of hitting the MSR and then not get a bonus because you were off by a day. Oh, and do not count the AF as part of the MSR. I try to hit all my MSR a week early at a minimum and add a small cushion in case I added wrong, made a return and forgot it some such.
 
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