I have a ? for teachers... Math/ when changing class routine/methods

FINFAN

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keeping in mind that the school year is 3/4 thru...lets say you changed the homework routine, from due each day to 2 weeks of assignments being due all at once just prior to chapter test day. It is up to the kids to determine how they are going to do their work, as long as it is turned in on the day of the test. A number of kids start falling behind for whatever reason...they take advantage of the not having to turn stuff in each day, some do not excel at time management, some choose to do several assignments on one day and none on another...would you think it was a good idea to maybe inform the parents PRIOR to this change and at the very least the parents of the students who begin to struggle and explain what the concerns may be? Or would you just let it ride continually, not communicating any concerns?How far down would you allow a student(s) to drop before you contacted the parent, if at all?
Not looking for flames, just wondering if I am completely out of touch on what teachers feel is the limit of their job...personally, I think a teacher who implements a new system this late in year must feel either they have to, perhaps the old one was not working...fine, I am all for mixing things up a bit, no 2 kids learn the same, or they do not feel like dealing with homework checks each day, but why leave it to the end with no scheduled time for fixing mistakes, questions etc?
if it was obvious that directly due to the new change issues occur , I would hope it is communicated to the parents in todays age of technology as soon as grades would start to diminish. My kid took the route of fitting in assignments where he could, did several on one day, none on another day and is behind on 2...therefor he is not ready for the test. I picked up on it by going over his progress with him...contacted the teacher asking why the change, for students who need structure this is gonna be rough etc., and the teacher basically replied that kids who did not find a way to handle it need to figure out how. Ummm, ok, but how far are you gonna let them sink ? If I had not been proactive, DS would probably be close to failing and this close to the end of the year that is scary...WHY would a teacher just turn his head? What about the kids who do not have a parent on top of them due to work or whatever....it just amazes me that there is obviously a direct correleation to the new routine and kids plummeting and the teacher feels it is not necessary to fill the parents in. We have on line grading...which means after assignments are turned in, the teachers post them on line for parents to see...and that's great IF the teacher is timely about posting...does not do a lot of good if grades go up every 3-4 weeks.....talk about time management.:rolleyes:

ETA: Spoke to the teacher via email since calls were not returned...anyway, explanation is that this new method is so students do not feel pressure of getting assignments in on time, doing half the work etc just to get it turned in on time...WHAT? So the solution is to still have a due date, just 2 -3 weeks long, working at whatever pace to avoid having a daily deadline? In MATH? Sheesh , to not feel the pressure of having a deadline...ok , THAT'S realistic for future grades and college.
 
How old are the kids? If they are over 3rd grade then no, I don't think parents should be forewarning-a not explaining the new system when it starts is nice but the kids are in school, not the parents. Sometimes teachers do things like this at the end of a year to help them get used to a system that might be in place next year or their current system isn't working or they realize that it is harder to get kids to do homework when the weather is nice so they are providing flexibility for families? I would have expected my kids to pay attention to the changes and let us know about them.
 
I agree that if they are older, then no, I don't think it is the teacher's responsibility to let parents know there is a change in the homework due dates. By fourth grade or so, kids need to start learning to be responsible for their time management on their own.

I know it's a hard lesson to learn if the kids start falling behind, but sometimes that's what it takes to learn the lesson. :)
 
If a child understands what it takes to turn in a book report or science fair project, they should be able to grasp the idea of multiple days worth of homework due at a later date.
 

My 13yodd's teachers are changing it up all the time. Sometimes they get packets and sometimes it is assignments due the next class. Next it is a project with a rubric.

Thankfully my dd has a good system of tracking down now, FINALLY! It was impossible for her to keep track of all the changes esp. if she missed a day. She was a mess.

Now she uses a planner and a calendar.

Planner is for writing the homework down and scheduling the amount of work to be done each day afterschool.

Calendar is on the fridge and it has all the due dates, test dates, projects, appointments, etc....With everything written down she can budget her time well.

I highly recommend a good system for your son. It really helps with keeping things on track.:thumbsup2
 
I get the whole being responsible thing, what irks me is at the beginning of the year, when a syllabus is handed out that parents HAVE to sign...outlining the policy, so that you have absoultely no excuse for not knowing what the routine/expectations are...then the policy is changed and mulitple students start floundering, NOW the teachers have no responsibility at all to convey that change? My kid s knows where he goofed up, lesson learned, and he is taking responsibility for it...but just seems a little odd that the teacher gets to just walk from their responsibilty ..what lesson is that teaching? Wait I know, it's the imbalance of power lesson... you know the one where the school says you are responsible for your own success (to which I agree), but we get to limit what you are taught and how you are taught and tested on it...you still have to prove yourself under our standards, but you have no say so in how we manipulate you. I get it now.
Sorry to rant, apparently I am out of touch in thinking that teachers are to have an interset in the students success by doing things like communicating.
 
As a teacher, my purpose for assigning homework is to see what kids are able to do from the lesson we covered that day. Putting off collecting homework for two weeks wouldn't allow me to that unless the kids spoke up and asked questions, which many kids will not do.
 
As a teacher, my purpose for assigning homework is to see what kids are able to do from the lesson we covered that day. Putting off collecting homework for two weeks wouldn't allow me to that unless the kids spoke up and asked questions, which many kids will not do.

and you are a responsible teacher for acknowledging that many kids will not ask questions and for realizing what the purpose of homework is! I wish there were more like you in our school. For a teacher to not take responsiblilty at all for altering a routine and seeing that it is having negative results when messing with kids education just blows my mind.
 
Once again, I didn't see it, but what age are the kids? By the time you are in High School, this happens constantly. Things change, situations pop up, and things in the syllabus have to be revised.
 
sorry yes, high school, and yes I know things change and things pop up, but if this were me at work, I make a change to the system...it is obviously not working for a lot of my coworkers, causing production to drop, quality to drop... and I implemented the change because some workers cannot adapt to a deadline? I should not take responsibility for that decision and allow my coworkers to take the fall for my new plan? Better yet, I should blame my coworkers for not being responsible to adapting to the change instead of acknowledging the issue and speaking with them to see what may help it work better? I just wait until the deadline of the project and then say, oh well, not my problem?:confused3 Even tho it is my job to direct and instruct? I just disagree that the teacher has no responsibility in communicating to famillies of students if a change they made is directly involved in the students progress. It is avery irresponsible way to act , basically irony at its finest.
eta, after emailing with the teacher and experienceing his limited views, I do not blame any of the students for how they respond to his instruction...yeah, I highly doubt kids ask questions or speak up,( which, while my kids will ask question, many teens are painfully aware of teasing and judging that occurs by peers and will NEVER speak up) it is obviously a waste of their time,they have to be respectful and adjust to the changes and the teacher gets to have the final say.
 
Once again, I didn't see it, but what age are the kids? By the time you are in High School, this happens constantly. Things change, situations pop up, and things in the syllabus have to be revised.

:lmao: Hoo-boy, you're assuming that high school students get a syllabus for their classes...has YET to happen and my DD is a junior with Honors & AP classes.

But yeah, a syllabus even at the beginning of the year sure would be nice.

agnes!
 
So High school... which means these kids will be in college soon. If they can't deal now with a simple change like this, then I foresee future problems. In college you get told here is when everything is due and here are when the tests are. At that point, you are 100% responsible to figure out when and how things get done and to be prepared come test day. I don't remember many, if any, of my classes giving homework one day and it being due the next.

Now is the time to learn those time management skills... better in High School then in college.
 
High school kids should be able to manage their time. Just because something isn't due for a couple weeks doesn't mean they they can put it off. Time management is a life skill. If the student does not understand the work, he/she should go to the teacher for help.

My wife teaches and she collects homework daily (I think). She has office hours everyday when kids can come for individual help. She can't help everyone individually in class since she needs to continue lessons.

It is the student's responsibility to manage time and to ask for help if they don't understand
 
High school?

No, it isn't the teacher's responsibility to communicate changes in homework policy to parents at that age.
 
Honestly, I really thought you were talking about a 2nd grader. By third, the teachers are starting to teach time management, and packets start. I don't even know what my 6th grader has due! My oldest is 13, and I don't know when she has tests, if she gets nightly or weekly homework, or if she has projects due - it's her responsibility.

Parents can not contact teachers after elementary here. They need to contact the guidance counselor, and if there is a problem, the guidance counselor will try to set up a meeting with the teacher.
 
our DS is a HS freshman. I would not be mad at the teacher if I did not get a prior notification of a change as long as the change was communicated to my child - he is the one responsible for his own homework. It seems like the students knew about this change since the teacher handed out the homework and gave a deadline

If it were a younger elementary school class, then I would expect the teacher to share the change with the parents since more involvement may be needed at that level
 
High school kids should be able to manage their time. Just because something isn't due for a couple weeks doesn't mean they they can put it off. Time management is a life skill. If the student does not understand the work, he/she should go to the teacher for help.

My wife teaches and she collects homework daily (I think). She has office hours everyday when kids can come for individual help. She can't help everyone individually in class since she needs to continue lessons.

It is the student's responsibility to manage time and to ask for help if they don't understand

I get the time managment issue, remember the teacher changed the policy due to students who could not handle getting homework done on time and were scarambling to turn in 1/2 done stuff.....does not make sense
 
I get the time managment issue, remember the teacher changed the policy due to students who could not handle getting homework done on time and were scarambling to turn in 1/2 done stuff.....does not make sense

My ds is in several sports, so I love packets of homework for time management issues. Some night (very few) he has nothing, and it seems those are the light homework nights. Now, if he has activities from after school to 10 pm, those seem to send up being bad homework nights. With the packets, as soon as he has some downtime, he does homework, and bangs out a lot.
 
My ds is in several sports, so I love packets of homework for time management issues. Some night (very few) he has nothing, and it seems those are the light homework nights. Now, if he has activities from after school to 10 pm, those seem to send up being bad homework nights. With the packets, as soon as he has some downtime, he does homework, and bangs out a lot.

and BINGO! I was just coming to post and saw your post( which I agree, the flexibility is good, but wouldn't you want feedback if your kid was NOT doing well under this type of planning?)... DS came in the door and said they now why the math class was changed...get this,,, because of eligibility. Apparently since grades do not go in as frequent, if a kid is failing or whatever the limitation is...it does not show on the weekly report, this way kids in this class get up to 3 weeks before an updated grade shows in case it is too low. Guess which class a star player is in, but is not doing well in :rolleyes1( according to DS and his friend who came home with him and is in the same class) Nice. Yep, this teacher is also a coach...DUH! Shame on me for not figuring it all out sooner. yeah, blah blah blah on teachiing responsibility, setting high expectations, no wonder the techeris not informing parents!...geez, maybe I should ask DH tennis coach if he can talk to DS/teammates teachers about altering class routines so they can be risk free too. well, I guess DS did learn a valuable lesson after all.
 







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