I have a confession.... I LOVE FP+

[Laketravis]

...I asked a simple question. That is, whether you prefer FP+ or paper FP.

Your question was framed much differently than that and in a broader context, which is why I answered you in a broader context.

So, my response was not insulting you, much less berating you. It was simply pointing out the truth.

It's your opinion, based on your own generalizations and embellishments, and I found it to be both. The truth is you actively seek out any comment or opinion that you might construe as being a less-than-positive statement about FP so you can refute it. Your posting history clearly shows that. It's one thing to express an opinion, these boards invite opinions and discussion and is home to many good ones. But it's another thing to actively and incessantly seek out the opinions of others for the purpose of attacking them or posing questions framed to setup an attack.

My opinion, which I expressed, is that there are elements of the current system that nobody likes, and there are elements of the system that everybody likes, which is why I don't label anyone as "Lovers" or "Haters". Ultimately, all any of us are discussing here is a method to reserve a seat on a theme park ride. It's not global warming or the next financial crisis.



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[Angel Ariel]

We had great trips using FP-, and our trips under FP+, while different in some ways, are also great. Yes, during the busiest times of year.

I think fp+ works great during low crowds.and during high crowds. I would venture to say that many, if not most, of those who do have issues with fp+ visit during those level 5-8 crowd days. I think the changes to the fp system have had a greater impact to touring styles in those crowds than they have on low or high level crowds.

 

[Toad_Passenger]

FP+ certainly has its faults, but those faults have yet to cause any problems with the way we tour.

We usually go during slow times, and with FP+ and the lower crowds, we are able to ride pretty much everything we want to. On a 7-day pass on the last week of January, we were able to ride all but 3 rides/experiences at MK (most 2+ times). We chose not to do Stitch's Great Escape, Astro-Orbiter, or ETwB this time. Splash & Riverboat were closed for refurb. Epcot we only missed Mission: Space & Ellen (riding SSE, TT, and Soarin' multiple times). Our final experience numbers were pretty solid, especially given the fact that the parks close earlier during those times.

It could be due to the slow crowds, it could just be that we've gone frequently enough that our touring plans work well, and have adapted well to FP+. In the end, though, looking back at all of our trips I don't see much difference in the number of rides/shows experienced (as a percentage of those available), from the years of standby only, to FP-, to FP+.

 

[Laketravis]

I think fp+ works great during low crowds.and during high crowds. I would venture to say that many, if not most, of those who do have issues with fp+ visit during those level 5-8 crowd days. I think the changes to the fp system have had a greater impact to touring styles in those crowds than they have on low or high level crowds.

Excellent point. It works great when you really don't need it, and it works great when you really, really need it. It's that middle part where you might find yourself not happy with the additional choices at a kiosk and the SB lines are long but not insane and you question why you should elect to spend 20 minutes getting an FP for something that has a 20 minute wait.

 

[DisneyKidds]

The truth is you actively seek out any comment or opinion that you might construe as being a less-than-positive statement about FP so you can refute it. Your posting history clearly shows that.

That may be YOUR truth. I suspect Wis' might go something more like this......

The truth is I actively seek out any comment or opinion that I might construe as lacking objectivity, honesty, and a genuine desire to engage in an open dialogue, so that I can bring balance to discussions in which some people like to do little more than fear monger and antagonize......like some people's posting history clearly shows.

 

[cakebaker]

The truth is you actively seek out any comment or opinion that you might construe as being a less-than-positive statement about FP so you can refute it. Your posting history clearly shows that. It's one thing to express an opinion, these boards invite opinions and discussion and is home to many good ones.But it's another thing to actively and incessantly seek out the opinions of others for the purpose of attacking them or posing questions framed to setup an attack.

He's perfectly capable of fighting his own battles, but this one irks me because I get this too. I've been accused of "stalking" when I simply responded to the same person in different threads on different subjects a couple of times. I've been told I do just what you're talking about and it's pure garbage. I suppose that's why there's arguing in the "I love FP" thread- because I read here to flush out anti-fp+ folks.

 

[MrInfinity]

I see it a different way. People say HS is a half day park, we were there from RD to close and missed half the attractions. So MK with standby and 3 FP+ you won't ride much in a day. We have a 2 year old and two 8 year olds. We have to ride dumbo and space mountain. FP+ worked, we got 8 FP's in one day, but if you don't want to ride everything 3 is not enough. There is no flexability in the system if anything in your plans change.

Well, ok if you see HS as a half-day park, go a half-day. Everyone is different! I don't know why one would not ride all the attractions in an open-to-close day -- there's only like 5 attractions there. We went on opening day of Star Wars Weekend, and we did the Jedi Training, TSMM twice, Star Tours countless times, we had breakfast at the Galactic thing where you hang out w the Jawas, we watched the motorcade, and saw the Dis Jr show. 2 little kids met Buzz while we signed up for JTA. My two older boys and I stayed later when the little kids went home and we rodeRockin twice, TOT, watched the closing show, and left. I guess we didn't do everything cuz we didn't see Fantasmic or BatB, but we've seen these before. It didn't take all that much planning. The hardest part was probly getting the breakfast ADR. We did get there right at Rope Drop, and were one of the first people thru the ropes. That helps a lot.

MK... I don't know why you're only riding Dumbo and Space Mountain. That's about the.. first hour of the day. You've got most of a day left after that.

In your everyday life can you tell me where and what time you will be eating dinner on 8/13/15.

On 8/13/15, no. But in the first week of December, I know where I'll be eating! There are a number of places we've seen on past trips that we're really looking forward to trying.

 

[WillAustin]

I suppose that's why there's arguing in the "I love FP" thread- because I read here to flush out anti-fp+ folks.

Flush them out?

I mostly try to stay out of these threads. I honestly don't care if someone else has the opposite opinion I have about it. I'll give my experience and opinion, but not usually just to refute someone else.

 

[wisblue]

It's your opinion, based on your own generalizations and embellishments, and I found it to be both. The truth is you actively seek out any comment or opinion that you might construe as being a less-than-positive statement about FP so you can refute it. Your posting history clearly shows that. It's one thing to express an opinion, these boards invite opinions and discussion and is home to many good ones. But it's another thing to actively and incessantly seek out the opinions of others for the purpose of attacking them or posing questions framed to setup an attack.

My opinion, which I expressed, is that there are elements of the current system that nobody likes, and there are elements of the system that everybody likes, which is why I don't label anyone as "Lovers" or "Haters". Ultimately, all any of us are discussing here is a method to reserve a seat on a theme park ride. It's not global warming or the next financial crisis.
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Seriously?

You consider the bolded things to be THE TRUTH, and not your opinion.

I might consider the things in that paragraph to be much more insulting and berating than my simple statement that you did not answer a simple question directly.

I will let my posting history speak for itself. I am very open and honest about my history and experiences visiting WDW over the last 25 years, plus a couple of occasional visits before that. Those visits included experiences with no FP, paper FP, and now FP+. And I have been very open and honest about the fact that I prefer FP+ to the paper FP system, and have explained why I have that preference. I understand now that you aren't willing to provide your preference, and that's your choice.

Your allegation that I actively and incessantly seek out opinions for the purpose of attacking others is, in my opinion, simply not true. I have made it very clear that I respect the opinions of others, but I do jump in when those opinions are supported or accompanied by what I think are false or blatantly misleading facts. Such as "With FP+ you can only ride 3 rides without long waits" or "Unless you book your FPs at midnight 60 days out there won't be anything good left". I also don't think it's proper for anyone to misrepresent the extent of their past WDW experiences in an apparent attempt to give his or her opinions more credibility.

As I've said before, my main objective in these discussions is to try to help present a balanced presentation for the benefit of new and infrequent visitors who come to the DIS to help them plan their trips. And I don't intend to let you get in the way of that. There are a number of posters on this board with whom I have had numerous disagreements. But, I have not gotten the impression that they think that I have been attacking them. If anyone other than you does feel that way, I invite them to send me a PM to tell me that, and I will take their comments and do my best to modify my behavior as appropriate.

 

[Laketravis]

Seriously?

You consider the bolded things to be THE TRUTH, and not your opinion.

I might consider the things in that paragraph to be much more insulting and berating than my simple statement that you did not answer a simple question directly.

I will let my posting history speak for itself. I am very open and honest about my history and experiences visiting WDW over the last 25 years, plus a couple of occasional visits before that. Those visits included experiences with no FP, paper FP, and now FP+. And I have been very open and honest about the fact that I prefer FP+ to the paper FP system, and have explained why I have that preference. I understand now that you aren't willing to provide your preference, and that's your choice.

Your allegation that I actively and incessantly seek out opinions for the purpose of attacking others is, in my opinion, simply not true. I have made it very clear that I respect the opinions of others, but I do jump in when those opinions are supported or accompanied by what I think are false or blatantly misleading facts. Such as "With FP+ you can only ride 3 rides without long waits" or "Unless you book your FPs at midnight 60 days out there won't be anything good left". I also don't think it's proper for anyone to misrepresent the extent of their past WDW experiences in an apparent attempt to give his or her opinions more credibility.

As I've said before, my main objective in these discussions is to try to help present a balanced presentation for the benefit of new and infrequent visitors who come to the DIS to help them plan their trips. And I don't intend to let you get in the way of that. There are a number of posters on this board with whom I have had numerous disagreements. But, I have not gotten the impression that they think that I have been attacking them. If anyone other than you does feel that way, I invite them to send me a PM to tell me that, and I will take their comments and do my best to modify my behavior as appropriate.

Your "balance" is often quite tilted.

And there's certainly no need to insinuate that anyone who engages in the conversation is "foolish".

 

[Planogirl]

He's perfectly capable of fighting his own battles, but this one irks me because I get this too. I've been accused of "stalking" when I simply responded to the same person in different threads on different subjects a couple of times. I've been told I do just what you're talking about and it's pure garbage. I suppose that's why there's arguing in the "I love FP" thread- because I read here to flush out anti-fp+ folks.

I agree...flush them out?

I personally want to hear both sides. I don't want anyone stopped or somehow "flushed out". Being against FP+ is simply an opinion just as being pro-FP+ is.

 

[wisblue]

Your "balance" is often quite tilted.

I thought you would understand that a "balanced" discussion involves getting viewpoints on both sides of an issue so that others can reach their own conclusions.

Are you trying to tell us that YOU by yourself provide a balanced perspective? That deserves a

 

[MrInfinity]

Your "balance" is often quite tilted.

As helpful as it may be to know to what extent someone on the internet's "balance is tilted". And in the case of wisblue, I now know this amount is "quite"... I wouldn't mind if you guys take the personal jabs private. This has nothing to do with what one can or has experienced at the parks in the FP+ era, and is otherwise diluting what was previously a pretty interesting thread about FastPass and the pros and cons.

 

[Angel Ariel]

MK... I don't know why you're only riding Dumbo and Space Mountain. That's about the.. first hour of the day. You've got most of a day left after that.

I think there is some miscommunication here. The poster you quoted did say he got 8 fp+ in a day in MK, so they clearly rode more than 2 rides. I think, given saying they have a 2 y/o as well as 8 y/os, that the dumbo and space mtn comment was written to show that they need to be able to do all rides - those for younger children as well as headliners - in their visit, as their party has both.

 

[Laketravis]

And I don't intend to let you get in the way of that...

What an interesting comment.

I suppose that's why it's "foolish" for me to express my opinion:

I'm pleased to see that, by my count, there are 36 posters on this thread who have said that they love or like FP+ but who are not foolish enough to engage regularly in the debates about FP+.

 

[cakebaker]

I agree...flush them out?

I personally want to hear both sides. I don't want anyone stopped or somehow "flushed out". Being against FP+ is simply an opinion just as being pro-FP+ is.

That was heavily laced with sarcasm- I agree completely with you. We all have opinions and out to be able to express them- however frequent we choose to do without being called stalkers or being accused of hunting down opposing opinions. If someone gets tired of reading a particular viewpoint, block the poster. Problem solved.

 

[Planogirl]

That was heavily laced with sarcasm- I agree completely with you. We all have opinions and out to be able to express them- however frequent we choose to do without being called stalkers or being accused of hunting down opposing opinions. If someone gets tired of reading a particular viewpoint, block the poster. Problem solved.

The other side is often called names too. And there are some here that did seem to stalk the other thread.

The point is that both sides do these things. But certainly not everyone.

 

[cakebaker]

The other side is often called names too. And there are some here that did seem to stalk the other thread.

The point is that both sides do these things.

The other side is often called names too. And there are some here that did seem to stalk the other thread.

The point is that both sides do these things.

I agree except I saw no stalking on that thread- there were people who agreed with the op who posted just as frequently. It's not stalking because you disagree, disagree repeatedly or have others who happen to agree with you posting.

I think this stalking business is way overblown. There's a follow thread option on these boards- I don't use it, but I guess if I did, I'd be stalking- otherwise known as following a thread.

 

[Mikie]

Ok, I checked the abbreviations page and there is no FP+. ONly FP for Fast Pass. What is FP+ please?

FastPass was the original name for the system of getting a paper ticket that allowed you to return to a ride and get in a very short line at a specified time later rather than stand in a long line now.

Disney instituted a huge new technological platform called MyMagic+, and one of the components was a re-working of the Fastpass system and they now call it FP+. It refers to the fact that you now use a computer, app, or in-park kiosk to select your attractions and that you select your own times vs. having only the displayed time at the ride's FP ticket machine as your assigned return time.

On the boards, people often refer to the original system as "FP-" and the new system as FP+ to distinguish the two. In threads that aren't specifically debating both, people may just refer to the current system or a particular ride selection as FP.

 

[Angel Ariel]

I agree except I saw no stalking on that thread- there were people who agreed with the op who posted just as frequently. It's not stalking because you disagree, disagree repeatedly or have others who happen to agree with you posting.

I think this stalking business is way overblown. There's a follow thread option on these boards- I don't use it, but I guess if I did, I'd be stalking- otherwise known as following a thread.

I could be wrong (planogirl, please say so if I am), but I don't think she was referring to simply following a thread you've subscribed to. I think she was more referencing searching/gathering posts from other threads that some were doing very vigorously the other day.
There does seem to be some personal issues at play between some posters, which are continually spilling over into whatever threads they join. It's certainly not everyone, but it is getting more and more frequent of late it seems.