I doubt this will ever happen but should the TSA give out clear plastic bags?

[ruadisneyfan2]

I'm not looking for pixie dust or fluff. I do agree that she provides factual info here but I'm just tired of her put downs about the American public.
I chose her post b/c in just about every thread she comments on, it becomes an "Americans are stupid and irresponsible" comment and each time the tone is sounding as if she is more annoyed with us in general.
Maybe I'm just reading too much in to it.

 

[dburg30]

LOL, seeing what some people do (no, I'm not talking about here) I cant really disagree with some of those statements.

 

[ruadisneyfan2]

LOL, seeing what some people do (no, I'm not talking about here) I cant really disagree with some of those statements.

Of course, some people really are clueless. I'm not new here and see it often. Just last week someone checked in for their USAirways flight and was genuinely shocked to see baggage fees. That's probably the most extreme case I've seen lately but it's the putting down on Americans as if everyone in the rest of the world are experienced and knowledgeble flyers and she's tired of explaining it to us morons. That's the part that bothered me.
If you don't like the USA, don't come here, but don't go online and complain how stupid we are and expect us all to swallow it.

Kind of like how you and your siblings can gripe about your mom but you get fightin' mad if an outsider put your mom down. kwim?

 

[bavaria]

So it's fine for the ABD board, the cruise board, the DLRP board, the Attractions board, and many others to have their daily rants against dirty smelly foreigners? The OP isn't American, and I have pointed out lack of knowledge in many countries, not just in America.

The majority of posters here are American hence if they are not understanding travel, then it stands to reason that most of the people on this website not understanding travel are American.

I don't care about country of origin; a lack of knowledge is a lack of knowledge.

 

[maxiesmom]

There are plenty of examples of this in everyday travel that would easily be considered 'providing a service/amenities'. Most hotels offer travel sizes of shampoo, conditioner and lotion. Obviously enough people have asked for these items in the past so now hotels offer them to everyone routinely.
(Many also include mini sewing kits, shower caps, etc.)
Most people here have come to expect to find these items in their hotel room.

Should the hotel staff instead scold their guests that they are adults and should have brought these things themselves?
Should we all write letters to hotels asking them to stop providing these free items since it raises overall costs for everyone?


Considering all the taxes/fees added onto the cost of a plane ticket, the price of a baggie for probably 1 every 10th passenger, is so small esp when buying a generic brand in bulk. Just look at the difference in price for 2 flights, same fare, when one is non stop and the other connects. The connecting flight is more than $10 higher just to use their facilities. Last time we connected, I don't recall feeling like my family of 4 got our $40 worth at the connecting airport.

I think it is pretty sad that people can find a way to not have to be responsible for themselves, even for something like this. Why is it too much to ask that someone remember their own baggie? Airlines are cutting back on the usual amenities, but they should have to give people a plastic bag because it is too hard to remember one on their own? Please. Personal responsibilty is a good thing!

 

[jodifla]

Lots of airports provide the baggies. Jacksonville does, Nashville does.

I try to have an extra baggie even, but sometimes, in the hassle of traveling, things get moved and you don't have your baggie on hand.

It's a preposterous rule, actually: that somehow your item is illegal on its own, but ok in a stupid plastic bag. You should just be able to put the item on the bin and send it through.

But people do slavishly love their preposterous, pointless rules.

 

[Brian Noble]

If you thought about it for just a little while, though, it is clear that the bag serves two different purposes. One: it limits the total volume of liquid you can possibly carry. But, two, and probably more importantly: having everything in a single bag makes it easier for travelers to remove them for inspection, and repack them, so that the security line doesn't back up even more than it already does.

 

[Tozzie]

Lots of airports provide the baggies. Jacksonville does, Nashville does.

I try to have an extra baggie even, but sometimes, in the hassle of traveling, things get moved and you don't have your baggie on hand.

It's a preposterous rule, actually: that somehow your item is illegal on its own, but ok in a stupid plastic bag. You should just be able to put the item on the bin and send it through.

But people do slavishly love their preposterous, pointless rules.

The problem is people forget the reason behind the rule. The powers that be at the TSA didn't just wake up one day and say "we are going to make the lives of all air travelers by only allowing a certain amount of liquids and making them put in in the a plastic bag" It was placed into effect due to the actions of someone.

 

[kaytieeldr]

They are now pretty much a staple in most airport stores. But I'm sure you know that.

Oh - actually, I didn't. But then I always have a 3-1-1 bag stocked and packed - except in Las Vegas, where I have my own version of Owner's Locker... or a car and the location of several 24 hour stores

 

[kaytieeldr]

Your rants against inexperienced American travelers are really getting old.
Not everyone here is like you with no family and spending all their time flying all over the world and never forgetting something you needed or making a mistake.
Perhaps you should take a break from the Disboards.

Uh, no. It makes more sense to have knowledgeable, realistic posters responding on the Transportation board than to attempt to chase anybody away because you don't like their responses.

There is no ranting in bavaria's posts (well, if there is on occasion, bavaria is aware of it and points it out in advance). There is only helpful advice and information from a very experienced airline passenger. When this poster forgets something - and nobody is perfect - they resolve the issue on their own, with resorting to expecting the airport (or hotel, or restaurant, or shopowner) to anticipate there may be a problem.

Uh, by the way - the only reason bavaria addresses or refers to inexperienced American travelers ('inexperienced' and 'travelers' in the same sentence being a tad oxymoronic, no?) is that Americans are the primary demographic of the DIS. She's aware that inexperienced airline passengers exist in every country. My assessment is, we Americans are the primary group expecting to be coddled, to have everything done/planned/handled/resolved for us.

There are plenty of examples of this in everyday travel that would easily be considered 'providing a service/amenities'. Most hotels offer travel sizes of shampoo, conditioner and lotion. Obviously enough people have asked for these items in the past so now hotels offer them to everyone routinely.
(Many also include mini sewing kits, shower caps, etc.)
Most people here have come to expect to find these items in their hotel room.

Should the hotel staff instead scold their guests that they are adults and should have brought these things themselves?

Dang. I must be going to the wrong hotels - e.g. Disney resorts, Las Vegas hotels - because any time I've forgotten something, the hotel has a shop where I can purchase the item/s.

 

[kaytieeldr]

Lots of airports provide the baggies. Jacksonville does, Nashville does.

Lots more don't - far, far fewer than when the rule was first instituted several years ago. Most likely, the airports and the government reasonably expect air travelers to know the rules and conditions of air travel after all this time.

 

[safetymom]

I'm not looking for pixie dust or fluff. I do agree that she provides factual info here but I'm just tired of her put downs about the American public.
I chose her post b/c in just about every thread she comments on, it becomes an "Americans are stupid and irresponsible" comment and each time the tone is sounding as if she is more annoyed with us in general.
Maybe I'm just reading too much in to it.

Oh my goodness!!! You must not have been reading Bavaria's posts. She gives out great factual information. Her information is accurate which many posters here appreciate. I think that a prepared traveler will have a better experience but I guess that some posters want it to be there way or they will complain.

You are seeing putdowns when there are none! I would think that most people here would love to tap Bavaria's knowledge when traveling.

 

[jodifla]

If you thought about it for just a little while, though, it is clear that the bag serves two different purposes. One: it limits the total volume of liquid you can possibly carry. But, two, and probably more importantly: having everything in a single bag makes it easier for travelers to remove them for inspection, and repack them, so that the security line doesn't back up even more than it already does.

I'm perfectly capable of understanding why they use the bags. The incomprehensible part is having to throw good things away because you don't have a stupid plastic bag.

That's just BS bureaucracy.

 

[maxiesmom]

I'm perfectly capable of understanding why they use the bags. The incomprehensible part is having to throw good things away because you don't have a stupid plastic bag.

That's just BS bureaucracy.

That is the rule, and if you cannot follow such a simple rule, then I guess you deserve to loose your stuff.

If someone has a deep hatred of the 3-1-1 rule then they can choose not to fly.

 

[Tozzie]

I'm perfectly capable of understanding why they use the bags. The incomprehensible part is having to throw good things away because you don't have a stupid plastic bag.

That's just BS bureaucracy.

Okay you understand why it is there, but don't want to follow it and want to call it bureacracy because you want an exception to the rule. Got it. But you don't have to throw it away, you choose to so you can make your flight.
I actually bring extra bags just for people who forget theirs, not because I think anyone should supply bags to travelers but it is easier to hand someone a bag then to get stuck in the security line while they argue with the TSA agents. I have been stuck twice because people didn't think the rules should apply to them.

 

[bumbershoot]

What does this have to do with anything? Anytime one travels in another country, taxes are paid according to that countries tax system. I didn't blame the Canadian people when we paid high taxes for everything in Niagara Falls.

Your rants against inexperienced American travelers are really getting old.
Not everyone here is like you with no family and spending all their time flying all over the world and never forgetting something you needed or making a mistake.
Perhaps you should take a break from the Disboards.

She's not ranting. She brought up the non-American thing b/c the TSA is paid for by taxes in America. So she's actually trying to SAVE America money by mentioning that non-Americans might get the benefit of something "we" pay for.

Nonexperienced travelers can learn quite a bit from her.

I'm not looking for pixie dust or fluff. I do agree that she provides factual info here but I'm just tired of her put downs about the American public.
I chose her post b/c in just about every thread she comments on, it becomes an "Americans are stupid and irresponsible" comment and each time the tone is sounding as if she is more annoyed with us in general.
Maybe I'm just reading too much in to it.

You're reading too much into it.

She talks about people who are irresponsible. And sometimes those people are Americans. She's not EVER (that I've read) saying that ALL Americans are stupid and irresponsible.

That would be something that I might say (since I'm a wannabe expatriate and have been since my early 20s and have very little love for my country of birth), but not bavaria.

 

[SueM in MN]

I have seen them at Minneapolis.

In the 9 months, I have been in airports in Minneapolis, Atlanta, Orlando and Fort Lauderdale. All of them had 1 liter bags before the point where you enter the line.

 

[CPT Tripss]

Lots of airports provide the baggies. Jacksonville does, Nashville does.

I try to have an extra baggie even, but sometimes, in the hassle of traveling, things get moved and you don't have your baggie on hand.

It's a preposterous rule, actually: that somehow your item is illegal on its own, but ok in a stupid plastic bag. You should just be able to put the item on the bin and send it through.

But people do slavishly love their preposterous, pointless rules.

ITA . . . the 3-1-1 "rule" does nothing for security.

The very fact that TSA just tosses all the confiscated liquid stuff into trash cans demonstrates that even they do not believe it could cause any harm.

 

[kaytieeldr]

Sigh... "just" tossing the confiscated items in the trash succeeds in preventing those items from being brought into the plane cabin. 100% effective - any non-complying item tossed into trash bins inside the terminal therefore do not get onto the plane. To the best of my knowledge, those trash receptacles are then NOT transported anywhere by air.

 

[Lewisc]

I'm perfectly capable of understanding why they use the bags. The incomprehensible part is having to throw good things away because you don't have a stupid plastic bag.

That's just BS bureaucracy.

What's not comprehensible is why a traveler who doesn't have her "stupid plastic bag" thinks it's OK to hold up the line debating the rules with the TSA. The 3-1-1 rule is designed to limit the amount of liquids using easy to follow rules that speeds up the screening process. It's not comprehensible why a passenger thinks she should hold up the line while the TSA agent/passenger removes all the liquids, puts them in a bin and then have the TSA determines if the total quantity is OK.

To answer the OPs question--some airports do give out plastic bags. Some passengers have extra plastic bags. I don't thnk the TSA should be giving out bags but that's a courtesy that should be up to the airport.