I Don't Get it

If it brought eyeballs to your station's broadcast I'm guessing that was the worth those who brought it to air were looking for. Isn't that what television broadcasters seek to do?
Well, actually, it generated a lot of angry calls because it interrupted General Hospital.
One rule of TV, do not interrupt General Hospital, Wheel of Fortune or Jeopardy, EVER. Viewers of those shows thing all the news can wait until the regularly scheduled newscast.
 
I haven't said much in the Prince threads, because honestly, I wasn't very familiar with his work. I was trying to figure out why. And what I figured out, is that, the height of his popularity was one of the busiest times in my life, and, for a few reasons, I didn't listen to a lot of modern music. (A, I liked older music best, B, places where I worked either didn't play music, or played older music, and C) college studies and working took up most of my time.) At any rate, I understand how people feel because I felt the same way about Michael Jackson (and others, as I've said on another thread). I was really blown away when it came out that Michael died from propofol, because I knew, from working in a hospital, that that particular drug wasn't used outside of a hospital setting where stringent monitoring and advanced cardiac life support procedures were in place. I also couldn't believe a doctor would administer that to him in his home. And yes, I felt sorry that his life had become so sad and desperate, and angry that somehow he couldn't get help for his problems other than propofol for "sleep". Tragic. (I also remember a lot of people being critical on that thread.)

I do agree with the bolded above (although I might substitute "many" for "most), that many celebrities do struggle with addictions. Brian Wilson was mentioned (I realize for being a musical genius, not his addictions) so I will use him as an example. Brian and the rest of the Beach Boys made millions of dollars when they were just teenagers. Filthy rich at like, 16 or 17. Along with their money came access to drugs and really anything else they wanted. Brian took so many hallucinogenics he crashed and burned and didn't get out of bed for like three years at one point. (I'm not sure it's ever been exactly determined whether he had a longstanding psychiatric illness, but regardless, growing up he was relatively normal, if shy, but later on he became severely withdrawn and catatonic. Some question whether his drug use caused brain damage.) Brian has had a degree of recovery in more recent times, thankfully, but when he was on drugs he did some crazy things - like chasing his two girls' school bus buck naked (when he was like 300+lbs), boarding when it stopped, and asking schoolchildren if they had any drugs, while his daughters sat completely mortified. Today's drugs are different than those drugs. More available and more potent. Some are cheaper, as well. As we know from reading about celebrities, they battle demons just like anyone else. Drugs can be a mask for the hurt (and other emotions and dysfunctions) that are underneath. Celebrities may have more resources to buy drugs, and conceal their use. They also have people around them who will enable them.

Piecing together what I've read about Prince, it sounded like he really did have the flu - for a couple of weeks before his death. We also know he took opiates for his chronic pain issues, and didn't want to have surgery because of his religious beliefs, etc. One thing we know about people addicted to opiates is that they develop a tolerance, so that it takes higher doses to get the same effect as time goes on. His plane stopped unexpectedly in Illinois (?) on his way home last week, and reports were that he needed a "save shot" there (narcan, which means he had likely stopped breathing, or close to it), and that he refused a hospital stay because no private rooms were available (which I can't blame him for, if true - imagine the chaos and everyone trying to get footage with their phones). I mentioned on one of the "flu" threads a couple of weeks ago that I'd taken care of a man, younger than Prince, who came close to dying from the flu, and I understood, after caring for him, how people die from it. (And we have heard of lots of deaths from influenza this year.) This guy was so sick that he had to be intubated and ventilated (lungs), and even then, he had a rough go of it, developing ARDS (adult respiratory distress syndrome) and difficulty weaning off the vent. Eventually he came off, but he was left with organ failure, and his body was so deconditioned he couldn't even move on his own. Now this guy wasn't aiddicted to opiates (for whatever the reason), but imagine if he was, and imagine if he kept taking them, or had someone administer them to him, in that condition, at the same levels he was used to taking. (If anyone knows anyone who takes drugs for pain chronically, you know they HAVE TO HAVE THEM, RIGHT ON TIME, AND THEY WILL NOT TAKE NO FOR AN ANSWER!) When organs are failing, or have failed, drugs don't get metabolized like they would normally, so they build up and take longer to clear. I wonder if this is what happene with Prince: if he was in such a weakened state from the flu, that the pain medication he was used to taking built up to toxic levels and unintentionally caused respiratory arrest, as it had several days before - but this time, he was alone. Supposedly his brother in law was telling people he'd been awake for many days straight, without sleep, as well. Certainly not saying this is exactly what happened, for sure, but if the pieces of information we're hearing are accurate, I could see this as a possibility.

I am not of the belief that people who "contribute to their own demise" are any less worthy of our care and sympathy than anyone else. None of us are perfect, and there but by the grace of God go I. As a nurse, I take care of all kinds of people. I try to educate them, but I don't sit in judgement of them. My father was a diabetic, as were many of his family members. I think it did contribute to his relatively early demise because he didn't take care of himself the way he should have, and it accelerated his cardiac disease. His sister learned from it, though, and despite her diabetes, lived, healthily, to 82. I do think we have a drug epidemic in this country and we have to fix it, because too many people are dying because of it. Changes have begun, thankfully, with laws evolving about prescription drug use and more programs to help people, rather than punish them, cropping up. Those are good things, as a start. If it turns out that Prince died of prescription medicine, I'm sure that will have an impact as well.

Interesting to hear your perspective about his possible health condition. Honestly have been assuming the flu story was cover for other issues. I'm a little surprised the hospital was unable/unwilling to put him in a solitary room. Could have made all the difference, but of course they couldn't know that. I wondered if it was because they designated him as requiring a level of monitoring they didn't have available in a solitary room.
 
Well, actually, it generated a lot of angry calls because it interrupted General Hospital.
One rule of TV, do not interrupt General Hospital, Wheel of Fortune or Jeopardy, EVER. Viewers of those shows thing all the news can wait until the regularly scheduled newscast.

Way back in the day when I was a viewer of General Hospital our local station interrupted frequently. I'm guessing your station managers feel the angry viewers will tune back in regardless and the special report might bring eyeballs looking for what the heck happened. Just my guess.
 
Social Media is often wrong. Part of my job is tracking down those wild Tweets and Facebook posts to make sure they aren't correct.

Does your news station use Twitter and Facebook as sources? If not, why would you need to track them down to make sure they are correct?
 

Interesting to hear your perspective about his possible health condition. Honestly have been assuming the flu story was cover for other issues. I'm a little surprised the hospital was unable/unwilling to put him in a solitary room. Could have made all the difference, but of course they couldn't know that. I wondered if it was because they designated him as requiring a level of monitoring they didn't have available in a solitary room.
It's possible it was cover, but I have read reports where he looked weak, pale and sickly at various places over the past several weeks. So who knows. As for the hospital room, I'd imagine they were at or near capacity, as we were recently. I doubt that anyone would want their family member moved to accomodate a celebrity. They probably said, "We have just one bed available and its in a semi private room", and if reports are true, then he may have chosen not to take it. In this case, he would likely have been discharged AMA, or against medical advice, so it would be part of his medical record.
 
Well, actually, it generated a lot of angry calls because it interrupted General Hospital.
One rule of TV, do not interrupt General Hospital, Wheel of Fortune or Jeopardy, EVER. Viewers of those shows thing all the news can wait until the regularly scheduled newscast.

Just admit it. It was you angrily calling in to your tv station when General Hospital was rudely interrupted by Prince's untimely demise. :teeth:
 
I really don't get the mourning for Prince he was a singer, he killed himself by taking pills and yet people are so upset over his death. I don't get the IDOL worship for singers and actors. I would rather honor the Military and all first responders who are killed because of the Job they do not because they Sang a song. I guess I am just disgusted by the hero worship for these people who get a 4 or 5 page thread and a post on a Cop who was murdered in the line of Duty gets maybe a page or 2 response. It really makes me question some people's values and morals.

Your brain inputs the deaths of people based on your own perception and experience.

Cops, military, people in the line of duty, etc. DO get respect when they pass or are killed. Normally it is localized and smaller based on the area the person lived and worked.

Prince was a global celeb, with a HUGE audience base over many decades which is why his death appears to be "larger" than the average Joe so to speak.

The response of people APPEARS to be different but in reality it is not.

The cop that was killed on his beat gets recognition locally and people that are emotionally affected express their grief over the loss.

As far as not understanding why celebrities are "idolized" by people my 2 cents answer is in some way a person bonded emotionally/spiritually with that "figure" and they are expressing their grief over a loss. And this is not limited to "celebs" if you get my drift.
 
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His fans (including me) are upset by his death because of what his music meant to us. Many of his songs take me back to memorable moments in my past. “Erotic City” = cruising freshman year. “Pop Life” = drama class sophomore year. “Baby I’m a Star” = my 72-year-old mom out of her seat dancing at his concert. He was immeasurably talented, and he was the best musician I ever saw perform live. The quality of his voice and his band were flawless.

What saddens me the most is no longer having the opportunity to see him in concert again. We are allowed to be sad that he is no longer here. But we are happy that he was here.

If this makes me morally bankrupt, I’m ok with that.
 
Well, actually, it generated a lot of angry calls because it interrupted General Hospital.
One rule of TV, do not interrupt General Hospital, Wheel of Fortune or Jeopardy, EVER. Viewers of those shows thing all the news can wait until the regularly scheduled newscast.

Back in my General Hospital watching days (original Luke/Laura), I would have been one of those angry people LOL I have a lot of elderly relatives and they do mention often that they can't go somewhere because they have to watch their Wheel of Fortune and Jeopardy so I can believe the above,
 
Back in my General Hospital watching days (original Luke/Laura), I would have been one of those angry people LOL I have a lot of elderly relatives and they do mention often that they can't go somewhere because they have to watch their Wheel of Fortune and Jeopardy so I can believe the above,

My DH hates our local weather man for interrupting the DAYTONA 500 one year.
 
Tozzie...where are you??? This probably would have been a great backspace button thread!!! ;)
 
It's possible it was cover, but I have read reports where he looked weak, pale and sickly at various places over the past several weeks. So who knows. As for the hospital room, I'd imagine they were at or near capacity, as we were recently. I doubt that anyone would want their family member moved to accomodate a celebrity. They probably said, "We have just one bed available and its in a semi private room", and if reports are true, then he may have chosen not to take it. In this case, he would likely have been discharged AMA, or against medical advice, so it would be part of his medical record.


There are very mixed views on whether he looked pale or sickly in the last few weeks. People who saw him at the Dakota on Tues night said he looked completely normal (he went there quite often). People who saw him at a dance party at Paisley Park on Sat night said he looked fine. He was seen (and video taped) riding his bike around Chanhassen on Sat afternoon (or maybe it was Sunday?). I've seen the stories claiming he looked poorly, but there are just as many saying he looked (and acted) fine. Shrug.

I'm guessing that the reports of sickly appearance are more a "spin" based on him dying on Thursday than the reality.
 
Does your news station use Twitter and Facebook as sources? If not, why would you need to track them down to make sure they are correct?
Yes we do. Most Police, Fire and Government agencies use those to send out information, as well as e-mails, and in a few cases, they still send faxes.
But Twitter and Facebook can be hacked. That was the case with AP in 2013 (see link). Everyone was in panic mode when this Tweet went out, and when that same information was NOT out an an AP alert through our normal wire service, I questioned it. Why would AP put out an alert for free on Twitter BEFORE they put it out to their paying customers?
http://www.usatoday.com/story/theov...ey-associated-press-hack-white-house/2106757/
 
Wow, just wow. I can't believe some are up in arms over someone else being sad about a death.

Why? Why do you care about someone else being sad? No one is forcing you to join in and light a candle. If your sick of hearing about it, change the channel or quit reading the article. Not that hard to do.

Why does it matter who someone grieves for? It shouldn't, just respect that people are different.

And WTH does being a veteran have to do with any of this? For the love ... I'm married to a vet that proudly served our country for 29 years. I revere him, but millions upon millions of people haven't been personally touched through his work. Of course they have been inadvertently impacted (he defended our country) but they didn't see HIS face when they heard US military. (Nope, contrary to the rumors I'm not married to Uncle Sam ;) ). Prince was a soundtrack to many lives -- music runs deep through our souls. Like my earlier post, we don't mourn the star we didn't know, we mourn the emotional impact he gave to our lives. Even my vet husband understands that! And most vets I personally know don't want the hoopla. They don't like the show.

One more thing, throwing out the suicide line was disrespectful. Even if it was suicide (which it appears not to be) why does that matter? It shouldn't. That's implying we can't be sad because someone committed suicide? Ludicrous! You can mourn anyone, anything, anytime.

You can mourn the chicken I just ate if you're a vegetarian. You have that right. But I also have that right to eat it.

*Off the soapbox :mic:*

I bolded the relevant parts to my response, but think this is a great post overall. :thumbsup2

I think the OP is just a leeeeeetle upset that the 4-5 first responder threads that (s)he has started in the past couple of months didn't get past page two. I feel like this thread is a yage on the down-low.

These posts are just what I am thinking.


Tozzie, this isn't meant in a flaming way, but perhaps you need to be visiting military or first responders boards instead, especially if that is all you want to discuss and you feel it is more important than any other topic anyone can post or care about. If you need to read threads of the first page of a forum filled with reports on the deaths in the military, with many pages of posts and a call to arms as responses, that would probably be a more appropriate place. You will find more like-minded posters there with your same values.

Perhaps you've forgotten: this is a Disney forum, meaning this is an ENTERTAINMENT forum. You will read posts about singing dwarves and mice. It is filled with posters where entertainment has a large impact/influence on their lives and so, YES, the death of an ENTERTAINER will have a strong impact on them.

Mae Jameson, the first African American, female astronaut says she goes into space "for those who can't." Prince explored and pushed cultural, musical, sexual and fashion boundaries for those who can't, for those who want to and need affirmation, and for those didn't even know those limitations existed until they were pointed out. :idea: He encouraged people to celebrate, to "party like it's 1999," and many of his fans did and still do because of his lasting musical legacy. Having died at age 57, he once again teaches the importance of partying while one can, as, (regardless of how one dies,) we never know how much time we have here.

That goes for the military and first responders too, who are dying way too young. :sad1: Because of our military, Prince was able to do some of the very things our military fight for: our freedom of expression, freedom of speech and the ability to have and voice a difference in opinions. Certain countries, like China & Russia, one would be persecuted for that. Exhibiting a difference in sexuality means death in some countries. Displaying a difference in wardrobe, just not allowed in other countries (and in many places here.) :duck:

I hear on the local news at least once a month of an NYPD officer who's been shot. We've had a few recent deaths of police officers in the NY/NJ area in the last year or so. They obviously don't make the national news as it isn't posted here. I guess it happens way too often here to make a blip on national news. I don't feel the need to make a thread about them or post about them, no matter how sad I am for them & their families, even when I see other threads talking about other police deaths. It isn't that I think our police officers' deaths as less important, no matter if it makes national news or not. It just isn't why I come to a Disney entertainment forum.

I hope you are able to find a place in which you feel more at home and without the need to judge others who are not discussing what you need and as you wish.
 
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There are very mixed views on whether he looked pale or sickly in the last few weeks. People who saw him at the Dakota on Tues night said he looked completely normal (he went there quite often). People who saw him at a dance party at Paisley Park on Sat night said he looked fine. He was seen (and video taped) riding his bike around Chanhassen on Sat afternoon (or maybe it was Sunday?). I've seen the stories claiming he looked poorly, but there are just as many saying he looked (and acted) fine. Shrug.

I'm guessing that the reports of sickly appearance are more a "spin" based on him dying on Thursday than the reality.
I did hear on one of the shows about him that he did mention and ask the audience to thank his doctor that was beside the stage at the Paisley Park party on Saturday night.
 
Social Media is often wrong. Part of my job is tracking down those wild Tweets and Facebook posts to make sure they aren't correct.


Do you track done erroneous posts on discussion boards as well?
 


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