I don't care let me in, at pop century

[AngiTN]

This is shocking, What have I missed? What is the need for these unannounced inspections?

I will bet it has something to do with the guy in Vegas who used his room to stash weapons etc?

That is the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back, so to speak. As mentioned elsewhere, they have always had the right to enter any room on their property, no matter what sign is put on the door. They just never did it. Now they are exercising the right they've always had.

 

[mjr0483]

I believe that just shows you they don't want to be doing these any more than the guest wants them done

Checking boxes.

 

[MMR76]

WDW doesn't really have high-rise hotels. Not in the same way or degree that cities (like LV) have. A similar situation is nearly impossible given the layout of Disney property.
Instead, Disney should be working on how to reduce the bottlenecks caused by security theater, reduced staffing, non-working/inefficient transport, and poorly planned parade routes.

By many reports this "security check" appears to be no more than a cursory glance around a room - which then serves as nothing more than an annoyance to guests.[/QU

I’m not saying that what they are doing is the best way to keep anyone safe. There is reason that all of a sudden they have changed their policy and I feel that the reasons I listed all fall into their decision.

The fact that there are no high rise hotels at Disney is moot. You don’t need a high rise to stockpile guns and shoot a bunch of people. Again, I don’t think the security check is going to prevent someone who wants to do it but Disney wants to make it appear that they are trying thwart these types of events.

 

[MaryLovesPoohBear]

Checking boxes.

Well, next time, maybe he could have two bags and at least pretend to keep the trash and recycling separate. Or leave the recycling. Or leave the nasty trash bag outside of our door.

Not only are they banging on our door before 9am, they are dragging their gross trash bag alone. So, both of those boxes are checked.

 

[AngiTN]

What people are saying, is that if you turn away housekeeping, security could be at your door in minutes. They will supposedly knock until you allow them entry.

At this point, as a solo female traveler on my upcoming stay at POP, I think I'm not going to forgo housekeeping like I was planning on. At least the housekeepers have always done their thing while I was in the parks and never disturbed me. I'd hate to be in the room and have someone barge into the room at a random time being alone. That peace of mind is worth forgoing a $20 gift card for me.

Yes, the best solution to not having them bother you is to just let housekeeping in when they normally would be in, not to skip it and not to ask them to skip you if they knock when you are there or if you see them in the hall.
Asking them to skip you in person seems to be the worse thing of all (for whatever reason). It's like that sends out alarms and red flags everything. I can imagine a button pushed and a red light flashing in the Housekeeping main office that the Smith's have asked the housekeeper to come back later, so you must get to their room NOW to check for a problem. I mean, I can sort of see (if I squint real hard) what they think, say for instance, you were a human trafficker, on Monday you didn't have anyone, so you let housekeeping in as normal. But on Tuesday you'd snatched up someone so you don't want them to come in so you stop the housekeeper in the hall and ask her to skip your room today. Makes sense right? I can see where that may set off alarms. I know the hotel industry is really pushing their industry to help curtail human trafficking. The above post listing that made me think this could really be a reason they've started this much more than what happened in Vegas. It also stands to be something going on at Disney more than someone stockpiling weapons. Not that I think it is a problem at Disney at all. I know it is at other hotels but is Disney really a place they are going? It would be a place to hide an unusual family make up (1 man with several girls, for instance) simply because of the groups there, so maybe. Still not thinking this is a rampant problem with Resort guests.
Anyway, all that to say, accept housekeeping and more than likely you will never encounter a security check. But if you ask them to skip you on a given day, it may escalate something.

 

[AngiTN]

The only thing I can foresee it really impacting our stay is when we have late starts. We never skip housekeeping but we do often sleep in a bit so we use the sign when we want them to hold off cleaning our room till we are gone.
It's never terribly late when we leave, 10:00 is probably the latest. I'm hoping that since they'll know we are getting housekeeping at some point (we aren't on the skip us list), if they come around when we are still in the room they'll honor the occupied sign and come back when we've gone, and removed the sign.
We won't test it out next month, with a short trip we will be up and out early each day. But in April we will. Hopefully this will give them plenty of time to square the policy out more. Establish procedures
What makes sense to me would be the following
Room is on the "no housekeeping list" so you put them on a "room check list"
Room is receiving daily housekeeping, they never get on the "room check list"
If housekeeping comes to a door and sees the Room Occupied sign they move on for a set period of time (whatever is established, half hour?)
If the come back after that time and the sign is still there, they knock and inquire if it's a good time to clean. If yes, great. If no, X is the process. X is yet to be determined. My preference would be to find out a time you'll be done and come back then. As long as you don't say "skip me today" nothing changes in regards to the room check.
I don't know, but I do think there is a happy medium that can be met, for most guest. Those who are adamant about no one entering their room ever, well, they'll never be satisfied.

 

[ShirikiUtundu]

The fact that there are no high rise hotels at Disney is mute. You don’t need a high rise to stockpile guns and shoot a bunch of people. Again, I don’t think the security check is going to prevent someone who wants to do it but Disney wants to make it appear that they are trying thwart these types of events.

How is it moot? The Vegas shooter had the opportunity that he did because of his placement in the hotel overlooking thousands of people conglomerated into one area.
The layout of most Disney hotels simply does not provide that kind of opportunity. An active shooter incident at a hotel is a different story and much more randomized but doesn't generally involve the kind of firepower this guy had and is not likely to be noticed in a general security check. If WDW is concerned about weapons on hotel property the answer is to scan prior to hotel entry - not invade the spaces of guests.

 

[pattyw]

We like daily housekeeping so this shouldn't affect us but they are coming very early to some and banging on the door. I don't want to be disturbed early in the morning. Also, on another thread, a couple was staying at BC and she was sick and vomiting. Housekeeping came while she was ill and made her DH feel like a criminal when he asked for privacy. They ended up leaving their room and she went to the lobby restroom. Now that's just unbelievable!!

 

[MMR76]

If WDW is concerned about weapons on hotel property the answer is to scan prior to hotel entry - not invade the spaces of guests.

I agree with you 100%. I never said that I think what they are doing will prevent anything. I said this is why I think they are doing it.

 

[MMR76]

How is it moot? The Vegas shooter had the opportunity that he did because of his placement in the hotel overlooking thousands of people conglomerated into one area.
The layout of most Disney hotels simply does not provide that kind of opportunity. An active shooter incident at a hotel is a different story and much more randomized but doesn't generally involve the kind of firepower this guy had and is not likely to be noticed in a general security check. If WDW is concerned about weapons on hotel property the answer is to scan prior to hotel entry - not invade the spaces of guests.

A person with a room located near a pool, restaurant or overlooking a bus stop could kill/injure a large number of people.

 

[AngiTN]

The more and more I am hearing about how they are conducting some of these checks and the more I think about it, I really think this could be way more about human trafficking than weapons. Their over zealous approach is almost making me wonder if there was an incident they caught, and have kept quiet (could they keep something like that quiet?)
They are really focusing on guests who are "protecting" someone way too much.
PP report where a DH asked them to come back because wife was sick
Another report where female asked them to come back because kids were in tub
So many where 1 adult spoke with them and sort of acted "protective" of something in the room.
All very logical and valid reasons mind you, but could also be suspicious in some circumstances. It's similar to how a innocent accident, when viewed from suspicious eyes, can look like abuse.
Their reactions are so out of line it really does make me think something has happened. Or someone has come in to run Resorts who is overly worried about this and is taking things to the extreme. The state Hospitality Association talks publicly all the time they things they do to try to catch human trafficking, how they train staff on how to spot it, how the president of the group here goes around to teach other hotel groups what to watch for, etc. If someone came in to Disney and told them to do something, could that have been the catalyst? See this

https://www.ecpatusa.org/hotel/

I don't know, just tossing some ideas out. I can't imagine trying to annoy and alienate guests is their goal here. Something set this off

 

[MMR76]

The more and more I am hearing about how they are conducting some of these checks and the more I think about it, I really think this could be way more about human trafficking than weapons. Their over zealous approach is almost making me wonder if there was an incident they caught, and have kept quiet (could they keep something like that quiet?)
They are really focusing on guests who are "protecting" someone way too much.
PP report where a DH asked them to come back because wife was sick
Another report where female asked them to come back because kids were in tub
So many where 1 adult spoke with them and sort of acted "protective" of something in the room.
All very logical and valid reasons mind you, but could also be suspicious in some circumstances. It's similar to how a innocent accident, when viewed from suspicious eyes, can look like abuse.
Their reactions are so out of line it really does make me think something has happened. Or someone has come in to run Resorts who is overly worried about this and is taking things to the extreme. The state Hospitality Association talks publicly all the time they things they do to try to catch human trafficking, how they train staff on how to spot it, how the president of the group here goes around to teach other hotel groups what to watch for, etc. If someone came in to Disney and told them to do something, could that have been the catalyst? See this
https://www.ecpatusa.org/hotel/
I don't know, just tossing some ideas out. I can't imagine trying to annoy and alienate guests is their goal here. Something set this off

Agreed.

 

[MaryLovesPoohBear]

Establish procedures
What makes sense to me would be the following
Room is on the "no housekeeping list" so you put them on a "room check list"
Room is receiving daily housekeeping, they never get on the "room check list"
If housekeeping comes to a door and sees the Room Occupied sign they move on for a set period of time (whatever is established, half hour?)
If the come back after that time and the sign is still there, they knock and inquire if it's a good time to clean. If yes, great. If no, X is the process. X is yet to be determined. My preference would be to find out a time you'll be done and come back then. As long as you don't say "skip me today" nothing changes in regards to the room check.
I don't know, but I do think there is a happy medium that can be met, for most guest. Those who are adamant about no one entering their room ever, well, they'll never be satisfied.

But that would make sense. It is even something that I could embrace.

What actually happens is, when they see the sign, the knock/bang/ call out. There is no pause, no wait, no moving on.

 

[pattyw]

The more and more I am hearing about how they are conducting some of these checks and the more I think about it, I really think this could be way more about human trafficking than weapons. Their over zealous approach is almost making me wonder if there was an incident they caught, and have kept quiet (could they keep something like that quiet?)
They are really focusing on guests who are "protecting" someone way too much.
PP report where a DH asked them to come back because wife was sick
Another report where female asked them to come back because kids were in tub
So many where 1 adult spoke with them and sort of acted "protective" of something in the room.
All very logical and valid reasons mind you, but could also be suspicious in some circumstances. It's similar to how a innocent accident, when viewed from suspicious eyes, can look like abuse.
Their reactions are so out of line it really does make me think something has happened. Or someone has come in to run Resorts who is overly worried about this and is taking things to the extreme. The state Hospitality Association talks publicly all the time they things they do to try to catch human trafficking, how they train staff on how to spot it, how the president of the group here goes around to teach other hotel groups what to watch for, etc. If someone came in to Disney and told them to do something, could that have been the catalyst? See this
https://www.ecpatusa.org/hotel/
I don't know, just tossing some ideas out. I can't imagine trying to annoy and alienate guests is their goal here. Something set this off

This is a very good point but they have to realize that 99.999% of these protective people do, in fact, have a sick, sleeping, bathing wife or child. They have to balance this safety with a guest's privacy.

 

[heidijanesmith]

Has ANYONE who has experienced this "non-accommodating attitude" IMMEDIATELY gone to the Front Desk and demanded to see the Resort Manager?

I would be interested in what their response would be.

There is a report of a female CM at POP barging right in on a male Guest who was not "decent".

I just can't imagine the Manager of POP would approve of this practice!

I did go to the Front Desk Manager after dealing with a couple of instances at GF. I was basically told that I could call housekeeping and ask for them not to bother me. I informed the manager that I already did, I was ill and needed to rest. I got 5 separate knocks for about two hours and each time told them I was ill. The Front Desk Manager was less than helpful and did not really give me a good solution for when I was in the room napping or working. I posted the whole story on the sticky thread.

 

[happymommy]

The only thing I can foresee it really impacting our stay is when we have late starts. We never skip housekeeping but we do often sleep in a bit so we use the sign when we want them to hold off cleaning our room till we are gone.
It's never terribly late when we leave, 10:00 is probably the latest. I'm hoping that since they'll know we are getting housekeeping at some point (we aren't on the skip us list), if they come around when we are still in the room they'll honor the occupied sign and come back when we've gone, and removed the sign.
We won't test it out next month, with a short trip we will be up and out early each day. But in April we will. Hopefully this will give them plenty of time to square the policy out more. Establish procedures
What makes sense to me would be the following
Room is on the "no housekeeping list" so you put them on a "room check list"
Room is receiving daily housekeeping, they never get on the "room check list"
If housekeeping comes to a door and sees the Room Occupied sign they move on for a set period of time (whatever is established, half hour?)
If the come back after that time and the sign is still there, they knock and inquire if it's a good time to clean. If yes, great. If no, X is the process. X is yet to be determined. My preference would be to find out a time you'll be done and come back then. As long as you don't say "skip me today" nothing changes in regards to the room check.
I don't know, but I do think there is a happy medium that can be met, for most guest. Those who are adamant about no one entering their room ever, well, they'll never be satisfied.

I also don't skip housekeeping at Disney; it's something I like having!

We, however, don't get out until lunchtime some days. If we're out late the night before, especially, we sleep in and have breakfast in the room. I am hopeful that we won't be disturbed before 10 or 11 am.

 

[MaryLovesPoohBear]

The more and more I am hearing about how they are conducting some of these checks and the more I think about it, I really think this could be way more about human trafficking than weapons. Their over zealous approach is almost making me wonder if there was an incident they caught, and have kept quiet (could they keep something like that quiet?)
They are really focusing on guests who are "protecting" someone way too much.
PP report where a DH asked them to come back because wife was sick
Another report where female asked them to come back because kids were in tub
So many where 1 adult spoke with them and sort of acted "protective" of something in the room.
All very logical and valid reasons mind you, but could also be suspicious in some circumstances. It's similar to how a innocent accident, when viewed from suspicious eyes, can look like abuse.
Their reactions are so out of line it really does make me think something has happened. Or someone has come in to run Resorts who is overly worried about this and is taking things to the extreme. The state Hospitality Association talks publicly all the time they things they do to try to catch human trafficking, how they train staff on how to spot it, how the president of the group here goes around to teach other hotel groups what to watch for, etc. If someone came in to Disney and told them to do something, could that have been the catalyst? See this

https://www.ecpatusa.org/hotel/

I don't know, just tossing some ideas out. I can't imagine trying to annoy and alienate guests is their goal here. Something set this off

They might be able to keep it quiet for a while, but not for long.

If something did happen, it would be a federal crime. The person's case would have to go in front of a federal grand jury. So, check out the news releases from their federal district. Disney might want to keep it quiet. The feds won't.

Edit to add: I've not seen anything, but you might want to keep checking.

 

[AngiTN]

They might be able to keep it quiet for a while, but not for long.

If something did happen, it would be a federal crime. The person's case would have to go in front of a federal grand jury. So, check out the news releases from their federal district. Disney might want to keep it quiet. The feds won't.

True. I honestly doubt there was a case they discovered but I am not as convinced that someone hasn't come to work for them, or come to train them, that has spurred this.
And I could be 100% off base and this may have nothing at all to do with human trafficking.

 

[Animal]

Too many reasons that aren't supposed to be discussed on these boards.

Agreed!

 

[Action City]

The more and more I am hearing about how they are conducting some of these checks and the more I think about it, I really think this could be way more about human trafficking than weapons. Their over zealous approach is almost making me wonder if there was an incident they caught, and have kept quiet (could they keep something like that quiet?)
They are really focusing on guests who are "protecting" someone way too much.
PP report where a DH asked them to come back because wife was sick
Another report where female asked them to come back because kids were in tub
So many where 1 adult spoke with them and sort of acted "protective" of something in the room.
All very logical and valid reasons mind you, but could also be suspicious in some circumstances. It's similar to how a innocent accident, when viewed from suspicious eyes, can look like abuse.
Their reactions are so out of line it really does make me think something has happened. Or someone has come in to run Resorts who is overly worried about this and is taking things to the extreme. The state Hospitality Association talks publicly all the time they things they do to try to catch human trafficking, how they train staff on how to spot it, how the president of the group here goes around to teach other hotel groups what to watch for, etc. If someone came in to Disney and told them to do something, could that have been the catalyst? See this

https://www.ecpatusa.org/hotel/

I don't know, just tossing some ideas out. I can't imagine trying to annoy and alienate guests is their goal here. Something set this off

Human traffickers are not going to waste the expense or time by using a disney hotel. Too far away from main interstates, too much scrutiny by well heeled guests and no quick getaway when suspicion is aroused.