How the internet killed Epcot

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He's lucky. I've read quite a few articles about how companies had to cut back R&D just to save money.

They are cutting back, but now they do it in small numbers so they don't have to report it. He is very lucky, but he is also very good at his job and can adapt to different research depts easily. Because of cuts he is involved in more projects which will eventually take its toll on his productivity though.
 
Not a big fan of this idea. To begin with, it assumes that everyone has a smart phone. I don't, and am not likely to ever own one, so that'd leave Epcot totally off the itinerary for my family. I can see this being downscaled in some form into one attraction, if it's not cost-prohibitive, but not for an entire theme park. Besides... parents won't let their 10 year olds go to the bathroom alone in WDW- can you imagine them letting a kid explore an entire park for a day without them?

I think Epcot needs a new vision for FutureWorld. I think they missed the mark when the most recent "upgrade" at Spaceship Earth turned it into a "make your own cartoon" ending. The original intent of SE was to show where we have been and where we are headed. This upgrade was the perfect opportunity to show what we accomplished and then speculate on where we are going... Mars, anyone? I think that whole interactive cartoon thing is a cheap cop-out... emphasis on cheap. Easier/cheaper to do than something real. I think Disney should upgrade the Land, Living Seas, and reopen the Wonders of Life Pavilion. Fill them with current ideas/technology and interactive experiences. Kids can see stuff on their smartphones but they can't wave their hands through the air and make music. Mix in some fun rides like Body Wars (updated so the visual and physical are actually in sync so motion sickness is minimized... like with Star Tours) and interactive stuff (like at the end of Figment, or Sum of All Thrills... lots of new tech stuff can be employed) and really push for the edutainment that Epcot was originally designed to showcase. I think that Disney gave up on Epcot as sponsorship dwindled. Let the Imagineers IMAGINE and then make Epcot back into a real theme park, not a couple of headliner rides and World Showcase. Focus Epcot into an experience that uses our history to show how we got to where we are today, and where we want to go in the future.

All fair points and I respect your opinion. Thank you for sharing. I was merely thinking out loud and sharing my thoughts on a possibility for the park (a man can dream right? LOL)

Seriously though, I like some of your suggestions. One thing you said really stood out to me:
Focus Epcot into an experience that uses our history to show how we got to where we are today, and where we want to go in the future.

.....and here's one of the last sentences of my PP:

EPCOT could essentially be a park that uses the latest technology to teach a history lesson.

It seems you and I are in agreement on the "big picture" stuff.
 
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I've never been to Epcot... in fact, I've never been to Walt Disney World. I want to be able to see Epcot the way it is today at whatever time I will end up making my first trip out there, which could be next year, or ten years from now. I understand that I have the internet and new technology all at my fingertips, but I would still just love to put all that away and move it off to the side so I can go on a learning experience attraction. Like I said, I have never been to WDW, but I have been to DLR at least once a year for about 5 years. I am, and was when I started going there, a teenager with a Smart Phone and I realized during my third visit that when I spend all that time on my phone rather than the parks, I'm missing out on everything. Since then I have adopted a philosophy of either turning off my Smart Phone or locking it down to the most basic call and text functions. I don't allow any internet in my park experience and have tried encouraging others to do so.

Why does this matter? Well, I strongly encourage everyone to just power down on their trips and then experience the parks for what they are and not ruin their idea of reality by living in their phone. This is especially a good idea for Epcot. If people went in there with the idea of not having the internet readily available to them, they could appreciate the ideas that the attractions at Epcot are offering. I'm not saying that Disney should confiscate phones upon entry to the park, but just give people the suggestion that maybe we don't need our current technology if we can observe the future without it.

If that seems like a bad approach, then maybe they try expanding their hands on options.
 
I've never been to Epcot... in fact, I've never been to Walt Disney World. I want to be able to see Epcot the way it is today at whatever time I will end up making my first trip out there, which could be next year, or ten years from now. I understand that I have the internet and new technology all at my fingertips, but I would still just love to put all that away and move it off to the side so I can go on a learning experience attraction. Like I said, I have never been to WDW, but I have been to DLR at least once a year for about 5 years. I am, and was when I started going there, a teenager with a Smart Phone and I realized during my third visit that when I spend all that time on my phone rather than the parks, I'm missing out on everything. Since then I have adopted a philosophy of either turning off my Smart Phone or locking it down to the most basic call and text functions. I don't allow any internet in my park experience and have tried encouraging others to do so.

Why does this matter? Well, I strongly encourage everyone to just power down on their trips and then experience the parks for what they are and not ruin their idea of reality by living in their phone. This is especially a good idea for Epcot. If people went in there with the idea of not having the internet readily available to them, they could appreciate the ideas that the attractions at Epcot are offering. I'm not saying that Disney should confiscate phones upon entry to the park, but just give people the suggestion that maybe we don't need our current technology if we can observe the future without it.

If that seems like a bad approach, then maybe they try expanding their hands on options.

First off, WDW now nearly REQUIRES the use of smartphone technology to make and follow schedules and for messaging
guests about resort rooms and info,
and for FastPass changes/updates due to attraction problems, etc.

Otherwise, I don't think that the problem with Epcot is that guests are using their phones IN the park, but
that the kind of thing Epcot originally did so well is now no longer "special or unique" both because information
is so easily found on the web, and.. so much of what was coming in the beautiful tomorrow... has come.

And, there are so many things regarding transportation, communication, and information that were not (back in the Eighties)
part of the normal everyday life, that offering cutting-edge improvements WERE exciting upcoming "promises of tomorrow."

Now that so very many of those needs have been satisfactorily met, its hard to generate
a lot of excitement about:

A larger iPhone?
A smaller iPad?
A click-on keyboard?
A faster internet stream?
An electric car?
A personal Segway?
Etc. etc.

Sure, new things are coming, but what IS coming will mostly
be in the realm of "improving what we already use."
 

I've never been to Epcot... in fact, I've never been to Walt Disney World. I want to be able to see Epcot the way it is today at whatever time I will end up making my first trip out there, which could be next year, or ten years from now.

Why does this matter? Well, I strongly encourage everyone to just power down on their trips and then experience the parks for what they are and not ruin their idea of reality by living in their phone. This is especially a good idea for Epcot. If people went in there with the idea of not having the internet readily available to them, they could appreciate the ideas that the attractions at Epcot are offering. I'm not saying that Disney should confiscate phones upon entry to the park, but just give people the suggestion that maybe we don't need our current technology if we can observe the future without it.

If that seems like a bad approach, then maybe they try expanding their hands on options.

I'm thinking since you haven't been maybe you aren't understanding that "Future" World is a shell of it's former self. Even buildings still open like Imagination have a half effort ride and half empty interactive area ... Living Seas no longer offers learning segments and is usually empty. It's not that folks are walking around on their phones reading the internet, it's that what is there is so outdated and boring that most just gravitate to the "rides" such as Soarin' and Test Track. There is minimal to appreciate.

The countries are creative and offer learning opportunity but they've rarely changed and most guest shop, eat and drink. Any of the "attractions" other than Frozen are walk on and empty. Disney found out when they put the sisters in Norway a few years ago that folks who never go to Epcot, will go to see Disney IP. They spend money. They are going to do whatever they have to keep that large park full and dollars spent.

There are LOTS of hands on science, children's etc museums across the country. Folks love it and that is great. But it appears the majority of guests going to Disney World are not going for a learning day. They will follow the demand dollars, as they should.
 
I'm thinking since you haven't been maybe you aren't understanding that "Future" World is a shell of it's former self. Even buildings still open like Imagination have a half effort ride and half empty interactive area ... Living Seas no longer offers learning segments and is usually empty. It's not that folks are walking around on their phones reading the internet, it's that what is there is so outdated and boring that most just gravitate to the "rides" such as Soarin' and Test Track. There is minimal to appreciate.

The countries are creative and offer learning opportunity but they've rarely changed and most guest shop, eat and drink. Any of the "attractions" other than Frozen are walk on and empty. Disney found out when they put the sisters in Norway a few years ago that folks who never go to Epcot, will go to see Disney IP. They spend money. They are going to do whatever they have to keep that large park full and dollars spent.

There are LOTS of hands on science, children's etc museums across the country. Folks love it and that is great. But it appears the majority of guests going to Disney World are not going for a learning day. They will follow the demand dollars, as they should.

Well, since I don't live near the area and have never been there, can I ask if there has been or is Epcot specific advertisement? Sure we get the "Visit Walt Disney World" general advertisements but are there park specific ads or ad segments that say or mention anything about Epcot?
 
I'm okay with the overall design of Epcot. What I want, and what it needs, is more rides. I want Disney to eventually eliminate FP tiering which is a stupid, stupid idea.
 
Well, since I don't live near the area and have never been there, can I ask if there has been or is Epcot specific advertisement? Sure we get the "Visit Walt Disney World" general advertisements but are there park specific ads or ad segments that say or mention anything about Epcot?

That depends on what you mean or when.
When EPCOT Center was first built (and for several years after,) there was a LOT of "Epcot specific" advertising.
"Visit Walt Disney World and EPCOT Center," was the actual way they phrased virtually all ads regarding WDW.

Now, they do mention the names and/or logos of the four theme parks in print and web, and they feature images of attractions and shows in all of the parks on TV and other media.
With Pandora opening, they have featured Disney's Animal Kingdom recently.

And, there are mentions of "4 Parks-4 Days" special tickets in recent ads.
But, it's no longer common for them to "normally" advertise each park separately in national TV spots.
 
Just my opinion:

Right now, we seem to be on a global technology plateau. There are new technologies coming out, but they are enhancements of existing technology - 4K TVs and faster cell phones for example. There's not much available right now that is new, groundbreaking and earth shaking (think TV, radio, Internet, etc, when introduced.) Part of the problem is that for almost the last 10 years, companies have been focused on surviving and not innovation due to a poor economy and reduced consumer spending. Hopefully, things will change in the future. Also, I look at how much technology changed in the 1990s and early 2000s. We got used to that, and now we don't have it.

Also, part of the problem that Disney appears not to know what they want to do with Epcot. Futuristic attractions, or just a bunch of Disney IP attractions? Not to mention, they rely on corporate sponsorship that has dried up over the past several years.

I agree. I think that Epcot Has long been a victim of that "survival over innovation" mentality, and it is a shame. While I believe it is an impossible task to keep up with the "future" Disney has missed the mark for recognizing that guests would enjoy the journey learning how we got to where we are, and perhaps speculating on where tomorrow might take us. A company that is as environmentally sound as Disney has an opportunity to look towards the future by updating the lands and attractions in existance. Living with the Land is an example. Yes, the journey is informative, but why not have expand so that The Circle of Life is not just a place to take a nap? That film has not been updated in years, adn why hasn't it been?

How about the Living Seas? Right now Marine Science is a huge field with so many areas that are exploding with interest. Why has Disney passed chosen to ignore the possibilities that our oceans hold for us, as well as educating guests in marine conservation?

Like you, I think that Disney had no idea what to do with FW in Epcot, so they did nothing. They recognized they could not keep up with the "future" so they kept up with nothing. I think that there is a huge expanse of real estate that could be used to explore our World: where we are, how we got here, and what we can look forward to.

I completely agree! I think EPCOT is at its best when it's showing people the PRESENT! Things like Living With the Land and Mission: Space are showing people how scientists are currently tackling problems and doing research in fields that people may not know a lot about or have never thought about. Sure, there is access to the information, but does that mean that anyone will care to look it up? EPCOT succeeds in making its guests care about things that they may not have before in ways that are new and exciting. THIS is how they should tackle their new attractions. They don't have to be crazy technological advances.


Exactly. My DGD is an Ag student who is leaning towards Marine biology, but as part of her education the agriscience program has exposed her, and through her eyes all of us, the many areas of research there are in "agriculture." Worldwide, scientists are using technology to make advances in medicine, travel, food production, and on and on and on. What has Disney ignored this? My gosh, there is more that could be done to brighten Epcot than adding a M&G or a new food booth.
I've never been to Epcot... in fact, I've never been to Walt Disney World. I want to be able to see Epcot the way it is today at whatever time I will end up making my first trip out there, which could be next year, or ten years from now. I understand that I have the internet and new technology all at my fingertips, but I would still just love to put all that away and move it off to the side so I can go on a learning experience attraction. Like I said, I have never been to WDW, but I have been to DLR at least once a year for about 5 years. I am, and was when I started going there, a teenager with a Smart Phone and I realized during my third visit that when I spend all that time on my phone rather than the parks, I'm missing out on everything. Since then I have adopted a philosophy of either turning off my Smart Phone or locking it down to the most basic call and text functions. I don't allow any internet in my park experience and have tried encouraging others to do so.

Why does this matter? Well, I strongly encourage everyone to just power down on their trips and then experience the parks for what they are and not ruin their idea of reality by living in their phone. This is especially a good idea for Epcot. If people went in there with the idea of not having the internet readily available to them, they could appreciate the ideas that the attractions at Epcot are offering. I'm not saying that Disney should confiscate phones upon entry to the park, but just give people the suggestion that maybe we don't need our current technology if we can observe the future without it.

If that seems like a bad approach, then maybe they try expanding their hands on options.

I think that you may be missing the point becuase you have not been to Epcot. Powering down will not change the empty pavilions or stagnant exhibits. It is a shame really, because those of us posting here love Epcot, and while we recognize that it is an impossible task for Disney to keep up with the "future" in Future World, we also see that the apathy has gradually reduced this wonderful part of the park to a shell of it's former self> The potential was and is still there.

I will also say that for this park, I would encourage DIsney to create ways to use the technology of smart phones so guests could use then to interact with the exhibits, having guests powering up rather than powering down. There is an entire World that might be opened up via smart technology, why not go there?
 
I've never been to Epcot... in fact, I've never been to Walt Disney World. I want to be able to see Epcot the way it is today at whatever time I will end up making my first trip out there, which could be next year, or ten years from now. I understand that I have the internet and new technology all at my fingertips, but I would still just love to put all that away and move it off to the side so I can go on a learning experience attraction. Like I said, I have never been to WDW, but I have been to DLR at least once a year for about 5 years. I am, and was when I started going there, a teenager with a Smart Phone and I realized during my third visit that when I spend all that time on my phone rather than the parks, I'm missing out on everything. Since then I have adopted a philosophy of either turning off my Smart Phone or locking it down to the most basic call and text functions. I don't allow any internet in my park experience and have tried encouraging others to do so.

Why does this matter? Well, I strongly encourage everyone to just power down on their trips and then experience the parks for what they are and not ruin their idea of reality by living in their phone. This is especially a good idea for Epcot. If people went in there with the idea of not having the internet readily available to them, they could appreciate the ideas that the attractions at Epcot are offering. I'm not saying that Disney should confiscate phones upon entry to the park, but just give people the suggestion that maybe we don't need our current technology if we can observe the future without it.

If that seems like a bad approach, then maybe they try expanding their hands on options.
Future World is only half of Epcot & I don't think it would make much sense for Disney to suggest that guests eschew technology. Colortopia, the only Innoventions attraction still open, has an associated "color collecting game" app & CMs encourage guests to download the app to play with as they walk around the park. The new Soarin' queue has an interactive trivia competition that can be played on smartphones with your fellow guests. Then, the other half of Epcot, World Showcase, is focused not on technology but on "Disneyfied" world exploration. When you sign up for Agent P, they give you a (toy) phone to use as you play. I would like to see more of this type of thing in the future - attractions that can be enhanced through the use of technology.

WDW is very different from Disneyland. You really need MDE (and therefore the internet) to make the most of your trip. I think the best way to understand is to visit for yourself. Hope you will be able to soon! :)
 
The original Epcot was an inspiring theme park. You went, you saw, you learned, and you went home and built on that. The Internet is just the next level. I always looked at World Showcase as a living, breathing travel brochure. World Showcase and the interactions I've had there were what inspired me to travel overseas, not travel programs on TV. Visiting Horizons or World of Motion or Spaceship Earth would catch my curiosity enough to research their themes in greater depth when I got home. Having the Internet makes that research faster and easier, but I don't think anything compares to experiencing something with all your senses. I don't have a problem with upgrades to Epcot so long as it doesn't lose the elements that always made it different than the other parks. If I want an MK experience, I'll go to MK. I don't need (or want) MK-like experiences at Epcot.
 
I think it suffers more from a lack of caring on Disney's part. We did things like the fire safety house, the construct your plastic robot, the smashing things exhibit and a lot more. That video game where you rode the trolley was a blast.They weren't futuristic, but they were fun family things to do that required little wait and were air conditioned. Disney just stopped trying in that area.
 
I know this thread is a year and a half old, but I feel vindicated with the announcements and artwork coming out for the upcoming Epcot refurbishments. Nailed it!
 
Weird flex, but OK.

I don't remember what I posted on this site yesterday, let alone almost two years ago.
 
Yay to @lchuck.

The news is being discussed on the News board. Closing before others reply to those who posted 2 years ago.
 
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