How the internet killed Epcot

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Call me old fashion but while the internet is fantastic about showing these new technologies, advancements, discoveries to everyone I'm in the camp that its cooler to see them for yourself. To touch them and interact with them. You can watch soarin on youtube, but would someone want to do that over actually riding the ride? @Westcoastwild pretty much nailed it. And Disney can pull this off as there are plenty of things in Future World that are still relevant and loved among old and young guest. The question is will Disney invest the time (and money) into it or will they go the easy route and just start throwing in rides/attractions tied into IPs because its easier and will probably sell more merch.
 
For non-rides, like Innoventions/Communicore type stuff -A robot lab would be fun. Lots of possibilities for learning and great guest interaction! Maybe even a simulated mini-robot wars type event with a robot you create!

At least it would be fun for me. ;)
I agree. Robots, or more specifically, Artificial Intelligence (AI) seems to be the next frontier of technology. Robots that are capable of teaching themselves rather than relying on humans to input data. (Think IBM's Watson)

I can imagine EPCOT becoming a park that is a true AI experience from start to finish. One where you would encounter various forms of AI throughout your day there. Maybe while planning your trip, you grant permission for "EPCOT" to access your phone and gather data about your various interests based on search history, geographical location, contacts, apps that happen to be in your phone, etc. After data has been compiled a custom-tailored touring plan would be generated and when you arrive at the park you would board some sort of personal vehicle (think Segway or something similar) and that vehicle would be your own personal/virtual tour guide for the day. You could ask it questions about things you see, it could share information (both useful and trivial) about the park, its creation and changes through the years, it's attractions, all the countries in World Showcase.

Every attraction would be Segway-freindly. No need to disembark. Your Segway, which you do not control/drive because it can do that for you, would approach an attraction and automatically fall in line and "dock" to the attraction. When finished, vehicle then takes you to the next experience it has planned for you. You could rate each experience after completing it and your touring plans would then be modified to better fit your preferences.

For a family visiting EPCOT, each member would board their own vehicle and split up during the day. (Don't ask me how babies/toddlers would be accommodated. I haven't thought that far ahead yet. And besides, this is all just made up anyway so any actual logistical problems aren't that important right now. LOL.) There would be video screens with links to cameras on board your other family members' vehicles so that you would be able to see them and communicate with them throughout the day. At the end of the day the family would gather around a table to eat and share their different experiences of their own personal day in the park.......kind of like how dinner time every day of our lives should be if the world was a perfect place. For me, I know that the anticipation of hearing my other family members share their experience of EPCOT would have me looking forward to dinner time the entire day. Kind of like the old saying, "distance makes the heart grow fonder."

EPCOT could essentially be a park that uses the latest technology to teach a history lesson. The overall lesson learned and moral of the "EPCOT story" would be: At the end of the day, you realize that while computers/A.I. are both useful and helpful, they are no replacement for actual humans. Real, living, breathing people that are capable of loving and being loved.

I could go on. But while typing this I've recieved multiple texts, emails, and FB notifications so I will have to excuse myself and get back to real life.

Wait, what!?!
 
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I would love to see Disney partner with the folks from CES and have some of the technologies from each year on display in the Innovations buildings. They could have them on display for a few months at a time and rotate new things in throughout the year. Then repeat this cycle after every CES.

I know it could be a legal/logistical nightmare, but I think it would be really awesome! I'll just keep on dreaming...
 
The Internet, per se, may not be the issue.

The CORE of the issue is that virtually everything in recorded entertainment, interactive games, reading material and live events, news, and communication field is now available DIGITALLY.

All of that is easily stored, manipulated and nearly instantly accessed.

Its difficult for the "next big thing" on the horizon to compete with that.
Very little would generate much excitement in the minds of the current digital generation.

AI, for the masses, is a bit too esoteric.
"What's in it for me," is the byword for amusement park attractions.
 

The Internet, per se, may not be the issue.

The CORE of the issue is that virtually everything in recorded entertainment, interactive games, reading material and live events, news, and communication field is now available DIGITALLY.

All of that is easily stored, manipulated and nearly instantly accessed.

Its difficult for the "next big thing" on the horizon to compete with that.
Very little would generate much excitement in the minds of the current digital generation.

AI, for the masses, is a bit too esoteric.
"What's in it for me," is the byword for amusement park attractions.
This is why Disney and Epcot are perfect for the challenge. I agree that all of those items are available digitally and instantly, but primarily for the purposes of consumption and kids CRAVE interaction. I recently returned from Disney and my kids really enjoyed the little interactive elements found in the room after you exit the "Figment" ride. I consider those to be silly little trivial pieces designed to keep a couple hundred people entertained for 10-15 minutes, but they enjoyed running around from piece to piece and just interacting with them. Imagine an entire portion of the park where it's a lot more free form entertainment and less standing in lines waiting for things. Kids want to do nothing more than interact with their environment and so much of the Disney park experience is simply waiting 15-20 minutes for the next attraction or ride and a 3-4 minute payoff. I'm not talking about screens and videos, I'm talking about entirely interactive playgrounds that might integrate some of these features, but not center around them. It also doesn't necessarily have to be future centric. Imagine learning about the human body by playing inside of one, in the form of a playground. This is the type of environment that fosters creativity without even trying to. This is what I feel Disney needs more and Epcot is the perfect place for it.
 
Yes and no. We PUT some of that stuff in front of our kids online... it's not just them surfing by themselves. :)
Of course parents are a part of that. However, the interest has to be there too.

Imagine something on the internet that talks about how things are grown or what challenges are faced when it comes to energy and so on. Now you are talking really boring if you're not careful.

I can't quite agree that this should be geared to only children as a DISer said. You end up with the adult sitting on a bench watching the kids have fun once again. People never have to stop learning and shouldn't. The challenge is educating in a fun way and to do so while appealing to everyone.
 
Of course parents are a part of that. However, the interest has to be there too.

Imagine something on the internet that talks about how things are grown or what challenges are faced when it comes to energy and so on. Now you are talking really boring if you're not careful.

I can't quite agree that this should be geared to only children as a DISer said. You end up with the adult sitting on a bench watching the kids have fun once again. People never have to stop learning and shouldn't. The challenge is educating in a fun way and to do so while appealing to everyone.
I definitely wasn't saying there should be nothing for the adults, but I'm pretty sure there's an entire "World" across the pond that is geared to adults. I just don't think kids figure into their planning as much as you might think they do. If they did, then those temporary playgrounds that are setup for F&G each year wouldn't be temporary.
 
I definitely wasn't saying there should be nothing for the adults, but I'm pretty sure there's an entire "World" across the pond that is geared to adults. I just don't think kids figure into their planning as much as you might think they do. If they did, then those temporary playgrounds that are setup for F&G each year wouldn't be temporary.
I think that they haven't included kids as much but that might be changing. Frozen in Norway is probably not an aberration. Besides there is again that problem with finding the right balance so that all age groups feel entertained.
 
I think things more in the vein of Mission:Space would work really well for EPCOT. I know it's controversial, but it's taking something found in a lot of places (flight simulator) and giving it the Disney magic. You aren't just simulating flight, you're taking the entire journey, being briefed for a mission, adapting as things go wrong, etc. Disney has the potential and talent to do things like this with any field or experience you could think of. Though I see the OP's point, it's not a problem with the internet, it's knowing that it's there and using it to make an even better attraction. It's not that there aren't simulators, it's knowing that they're there and making them even better.
 
One ride our daughter enjoyed was the Sum of All Thrills. She enjoyed the idea of being able to "design" your own roller coaster (within limited parameters) and then ride it. We were sad to see it go, but it seemed like it was not very well known and may not have been a popular attraction.
 
The more IP they bring in, the more Epcot's theme will become blurred. I can even see Disney changing the name of the place one day. Let's face it, even when it was all science/edutainment, the acronym really didn't mean anything. It's always been a theme park, not a community of tomorrow.
 
The Internet, per se, may not be the issue.

The CORE of the issue is that virtually everything in recorded entertainment, interactive games, reading material and live events, news, and communication field is now available DIGITALLY.

All of that is easily stored, manipulated and nearly instantly accessed.

Its difficult for the "next big thing" on the horizon to compete with that.
Very little would generate much excitement in the minds of the current digital generation.

AI, for the masses, is a bit too esoteric.
"What's in it for me," is the byword for amusement park attractions.

This is a really interesting thought. I think though, this earlier post contests it in a good way:

Museums have shifted their focus from viewing to interaction to remain viable. And hands on museums like the one in SF are huge right now. Epcot would draw the crowds if they built an innovative walk through space ship or jungle gym or something like that, because well designed, innovative places like that ARE drawing crowds in major cities elsewhere. Epcot's model really isn't dead. It's just that they haven't put any effort into updating it.

Having spent a lot of time working with youth- I can attest to the fact that they are still very much engaged by the tangible interactive experiences and will still select that over screen time if it appeals to them.

I can't speak on Epcot, as I visited it once as a child in the 90's and barely remember it. I can say that as an adult visiting in the near future I don't plan on many of the attractions, they just don't sound interesting to me, or seem very dated. However, I do think a lot of them are geared more towards children, and that matters. I would love to see more feedback from children on this subject- rather than nostalgic or disinterested older audiences. I bet there are still kids who are interested in what Epcot has to offer at present, and those who barely recognize the antiquated features presented as modern to them. It also sincerely sounds like not much has been done to keep the park relevant or engaging in quite some time.

The brains of children are wired to crave interactive learning experiences. As long as elements of that are present in the park and kept current to modern audiences- I fail to see how it cannot stay relevant, regardless of how digital experiences continue to improve (and they will). So like, don't blow a bunch of funds into what you think the future will look like, instead have an area with a rotating exhibit space, where say, people could interact with a 3d printer or the latest robot.

I also agree with those that say we are aren't experiencing as many rapid-fire tech developments as we were. I mean, look at the last 100 years. Wow, right? So much was accomplished, developed, so many ways of life changed. Even if you take the last 50 years. I think that is slowing, it has to slow. Part of it is we're refining the tech we do have to serve us better and operate more intuitively. Another part of it is there are large regions of the world that are absolutely not caught up- even in first world countries.

Again though, I can't speak much to the park experience though I have watched many videos and read articles on it. I hope this thread continues to engage in such a fascinating discussion!

It would be really cool to see the park have some way of capturing all the advances in technology over the years in an interactive way- or perhaps they already have. With television, music, computers, cars, etc. So much! Despite what many think, in my experience young people are really interested in the past if it is presented in a way that engages them.
 
Augh I don't know what IP is.

I feel that society, as a whole, has lost great interest in futuristic ideas and visions.

I don't think that's true at all! We are living inside of the future (as my autocorrect tries to change that word to "Dottie"). Just the way we are interacting with each other right now is amazing.

I imagine it's harder to hold the interest of younger generations today as they have so many ways of being entertained at this point.

You feel it's hard to hold their interest because their interest is being held by the other thing they are doing? :):)

I hang out with a lot of kids and teens, and what many adults see as ridiculous isnthem connecting with, communicating with, and interacting with the world.

I've been in a room having multiple discussions with people in words while some are having side discussions via their phones. Sometimes with people elsewhere; sometimes with people in the room. I've done that, too. :)

It's all about connecting. I think that the dog tongue filter on Snapchat is as stupid as they come, but someone using it is connecting with the world and their friends while posting that.

As adults, our minds are already shaped and molded and we likely won't be the ones to come up with the next big idea (as much as I hate to admit that).

Adults have been the innovators and inventors. "Kidtrepeneurs" are new andnits because of the technology and internet and ways of connecting that it's been possible.

Adults created Star Trek and Wars. Adults came up with spaceships. Adults came up with the internet (and got the funding for it, too).

Kids can be inspired to do cool things, but the cool things are generally done once they are adults.

Not sure if Zuckerburg was an actual adult when he and his friends created Facebook, but that was just updating a long-done idea at many colleges. The printed "face book".


My 4 yo son can handle a smartphone better than his grandparents. "Amazing" him with "edutainment" will be a lot harder to do than it was for us that went to Epcot in the 80s.

But he's being amazed by the smartphone! And the things on there.

Robots, or more specifically, Artificial Intelligence (AI) seems to be the next frontier of technology. Robots that are capable of teaching themselves rather than relying on humans to input data. (Think IBM's Watson)

Sounds horrid.

Every attraction would be Segway-freindly. No need to disembark.

Ack. I'm hoping that whole thing was a joke.


As for flying cars, I hope that never happens! Imagine the accidents!
 
I recently returned from Disney and my kids really enjoyed the little interactive elements found in the room after you exit the "Figment" ride. I consider those to be silly little trivial pieces designed to keep a couple hundred people entertained for 10-15 minutes, but they enjoyed running around from piece to piece and just interacting with them. Imagine an entire portion of the park where it's a lot more free form entertainment and less standing in lines waiting for things.
Great idea! Maybe they can call it Communicore.
 
Just my opinion:

Right now, we seem to be on a global technology plateau. There are new technologies coming out, but they are enhancements of existing technology - 4K TVs and faster cell phones for example. There's not much available right now that is new, groundbreaking and earth shaking (think TV, radio, Internet, etc, when introduced.) Part of the problem is that for almost the last 10 years, companies have been focused on surviving and not innovation due to a poor economy and reduced consumer spending. Hopefully, things will change in the future. Also, I look at how much technology changed in the 1990s and early 2000s. We got used to that, and now we don't have it.

Also, part of the problem that Disney appears not to know what they want to do with Epcot. Futuristic attractions, or just a bunch of Disney IP attractions? Not to mention, they rely on corporate sponsorship that has dried up over the past several years.

My dh works in R&D and the bolded isn't entirely true. Of course they are trying to survive but it is not at the cost of innovation.
 
Kinda agree, but I think it's more so that "Idealistic Futurism" the Walt dreamed and Epcot was based on is currently not popular.

What is very popular and has caught people's imagination is "Dystopian/End of World Futurism" or "Realism Futurism" such as Star Wars with it's worn looks and political upheavals.

I believe it's cyclical and that "Idealistic shiny bright Futurism" will someday return and hopefully launch a new era at Epcot.
 
This is a really interesting thought. I think though, this earlier post contests it in a good way:



Having spent a lot of time working with youth- I can attest to the fact that they are still very much engaged by the tangible interactive experiences and will still select that over screen time if it appeals to them.

I can't speak on Epcot, as I visited it once as a child in the 90's and barely remember it. I can say that as an adult visiting in the near future I don't plan on many of the attractions, they just don't sound interesting to me, or seem very dated. However, I do think a lot of them are geared more towards children, and that matters. I would love to see more feedback from children on this subject- rather than nostalgic or disinterested older audiences. I bet there are still kids who are interested in what Epcot has to offer at present, and those who barely recognize the antiquated features presented as modern to them. It also sincerely sounds like not much has been done to keep the park relevant or engaging in quite some time.

The brains of children are wired to crave interactive learning experiences. As long as elements of that are present in the park and kept current to modern audiences- I fail to see how it cannot stay relevant, regardless of how digital experiences continue to improve (and they will). So like, don't blow a bunch of funds into what you think the future will look like, instead have an area with a rotating exhibit space, where say, people could interact with a 3d printer or the latest robot.

I also agree with those that say we are aren't experiencing as many rapid-fire tech developments as we were. I mean, look at the last 100 years. Wow, right? So much was accomplished, developed, so many ways of life changed. Even if you take the last 50 years. I think that is slowing, it has to slow. Part of it is we're refining the tech we do have to serve us better and operate more intuitively. Another part of it is there are large regions of the world that are absolutely not caught up- even in first world countries.

Again though, I can't speak much to the park experience though I have watched many videos and read articles on it. I hope this thread continues to engage in such a fascinating discussion!

It would be really cool to see the park have some way of capturing all the advances in technology over the years in an interactive way- or perhaps they already have. With television, music, computers, cars, etc. So much! Despite what many think, in my experience young people are really interested in the past if it is presented in a way that engages them.


Mostly Epcot is just empty. Especially future world. There is some awesome stuff in showcase but a lot of the "education" there feels very 90s museum.

I really enjoy interactive museums, and I've been to several children's museums because exhibit design is a specific area of interest. Like you said- kids like hands on and immersive. And I've seen it done so many ways, even in "adult" museum exhibits. I guess my point is that Epcot could be so, so immersive if they tried. What's good, is really good. But a lot is lame duck.

oT- your mention of 3-d printer is awesome. The kids in my family are mesmerized by those. Heck, the techie adults are as well!!
 
Mostly Epcot is just empty. Especially future world. There is some awesome stuff in showcase but a lot of the "education" there feels very 90s museum.

I really enjoy interactive museums, and I've been to several children's museums because exhibit design is a specific area of interest. Like you said- kids like hands on and immersive. And I've seen it done so many ways, even in "adult" museum exhibits. I guess my point is that Epcot could be so, so immersive if they tried. What's good, is really good. But a lot is lame duck.

oT- your mention of 3-d printer is awesome. The kids in my family are mesmerized by those. Heck, the techie adults are as well!!
I also believe adults like hands-on immersive activities.

Last week during our 6th visit to Maui, my DH and I sought out different experiences. Between beachcombing, hiking, and a brewery tour, we fit in an Escape Room challenge! From the moment the room door closed, we were non-stop brainstorming and problem-solving using low-tech devices: calculator, balance scale, and pencil/paper... our phones were locked in lockers. It definitely was immersive, challenging, and fun because we were successful!

Disney could convert FW space to futuristic immersive challenges or exhibits. It wouldn't be a high-number of participants but would still be a draw and doesn't entail the need for many CMs.
 
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