How much of SSR is left for sale??

Use Year really doesn't have any bearing on when you can start using your points. We bought our points about 6-8 months before the resort even opened, and couldn't use the points until May 17 2004 when our building actually opened. Back then, this date was listed in our paperwork as an "Estimated Occupancy Date", or something very similar to that. Not sure if they are still including that line on current agreements or not.

I also wanted to add that despite how my comments may have read, I don't necessarily share Dean's opinion that sales are slower than expected. But I don't think sales are outpacing construction either. DVC is likely sitting on an expected surplus of points commensurate to opening 8 buildings (about 5 million DVC points) in 8 months' time.

When SSR was announced as 12 buildings, the original plan (AFAIK) was to be selling points for 4-5 years. We're only a little over 2 years into that timeframe (sales began in August 2003).

As for the reasons for the current "friends and family" discount, here are some possible factors:

* 2006 budgets are about to be set, which will include a subsidy by DVC to cover dues on unsold units. In other words, DVC has to pick-up part of the dues for '06 on unsold points. So, some of the additional discount is offset by the dollars that DVC will save not having to pay that subsidy on the points.

* I suspect sales costs are lower on referred members. When I refer someone, I make it clear that they are welcome to come to me with any / all questions. Two or three email messages or telephone calls to me means two or three phone calls the DVC Guide does not get.

* I also suspect that closing rates are higher on referred members. Again, those being referred already know something about the program. I'm certain a much larger percent of members who are referred agree to buy than those who walk up to a DVC booth at the theme parks or request a DVD from home.

* It is getting folks who may be on a waiting list for add-ons at the sold-out resorts to reconsider their decision. Let's see...$92 per point for 37 years at BCV or $83 per point for 49 years at SSR. Hmmmmmm.

* It's taking a shot at the resale market. Look at all the people we've seen say that they would have bought resale until this offer came along. Even a lower profit margin on SSR still leaves considerable profit margin.
 
We purchased back in May. Our unti had not been completed according to our Sales Agent. It was a phase 2 unit if that helps.
 
Rozzie said:
During our add on last week, our guide said they were about 60% sold out. It seems like everyone has a different answer. The two new building projects are coming along on property. He said the next project, wisely said he doesn't know what it is, will house the new DVC office. Seems everytime I go down there and try to get the scoop I come back more confused! ;)
I doubt the guides really know. Regardless, the number would vary based on the denominator. If they use all eventual points that would be different than the buildings currently declared into inventory. Since technically the other building might never happen, I'd bet any estimates are based on currently declared inventory rather than the ultimate planned size and number of points of the resort. I bet most members assume it's based on the total number of points there will be at the end.

Also, using the idea of whether the building is complete or not will not give an accurate picture of the sales pace. This will happen for several reasons. One is that DVC has always sold ahead rather than completely saturating the points available. Another is there are 8 use years so assuming fairly even spread of points across the year, they will stagger the use year being sold. And finally, there are an excess of points in the system due to sales associated with the extra points promotion as well as the fact that many sales come with points where there are more points than units for the use years involved. Assume one bought in March with the 120 points promotion earlier this year with an Oct use year and got all 2004, all 2005 and the extra 100 points. DVC has to allow for those extra points to be used over about a 2 year period.
 
Is it also possible that they are ready to announce the next DVC but want to spur sales of SSR before the announcement?
 

We just bought at SSR (our closing is not until December sometime) and our use year is June. We received all of the 2005 points on the contract. Not sure if that provides any new information on this subject.
 
Dean said:
I doubt the guides really know. Regardless, the number would vary based on the denominator. If they use all eventual points that would be different than the buildings currently declared into inventory. Since technically the other building might never happen, I'd bet any estimates are based on currently declared inventory rather than the ultimate planned size and number of points of the resort. I bet most members assume it's based on the total number of points there will be at the end.

All excellent points and probably very true.

AFAIK, the only firm numbers ever released by DVC came back in May 2004. During the grand opening of SSR, DVC announced the "Phase 3" development, and their press release included a claim that 3/4 of Phase 1 had already been sold out.

If true, they sold 3 buildings worth of points in about 10 months' time. Those sales included some pretty agressive pricing and the newness of a resort with a full 50 years' worth of points. In fact, the very first buyers into the resort got a December Use Year, and should effectively receive 51 years' worth of points.
 
As the RE market slows, so will timeshares.
 
tjkraz said:
All excellent points and probably very true.

AFAIK, the only firm numbers ever released by DVC came back in May 2004. During the grand opening of SSR, DVC announced the "Phase 3" development, and their press release included a claim that 3/4 of Phase 1 had already been sold out.

If true, they sold 3 buildings worth of points in about 10 months' time. Those sales included some pretty agressive pricing and the newness of a resort with a full 50 years' worth of points. In fact, the very first buyers into the resort got a December Use Year, and should effectively receive 51 years' worth of points.
Remember that VWL and BCV were almost totally sold out within approximately a year each.
 
dtndfamily said:
We just bought at SSR (our closing is not until December sometime) and our use year is June. We received all of the 2005 points on the contract. Not sure if that provides any new information on this subject.

Same for us; bought Nov 13 with a June 2005 use year. Our closing is in January.
 
In case anyone is interested in the official numbers. In the 2006 operating budget Disney lists the following:

As of December 31, 2004 there had been declared Ownership Interests equivalent to approximately 1,635,526 Vacation Points in the Condominium. Of that amount, DVD has retained Ownership Interests equivalent to approximately 32,711 Vacation Points and had unsold Ownership Interest equivalent to approximatly 393,954 Vacation points.

If you figure that the points for for $83 per point x 1,635,526 = WOW. :earseek: I do not think my calculator goes that high. I can not imagine how much they are going to bring in once all of the buildings are complete.

The 2006 operating budget is based upon 450 vacation homes. I am not sure how many homes they had at December 31, 2004.
 



















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