How many days of LLMP please?

[Nick6300]

Please let me know your thoughts how many days of LLMPs for 9/14-9/21, 6 park days: Sun 9/14, Mon 9/15, Tue will be a sleep in then MNSSHP, Wed 9/17, Thurs 9/18 off TL, Fri 9/19, Sat 9/20, Sun 9/21 flight day leaving park at 12:45. Thanks!

Reason this is tougher for me is my family is 3, we had a 1 yr old last time in Aug and only bought 1 LLMP (8 days) with a full day every day touring plan including RD and last ride. This trip, now my child will be 2 and wanting to walk outside of stroller (much slower), 2 other households including 3 kids of 4, 6, 9 (1st timers). The fam of 5 is very budget conscious and read online about families sleeping in without RD, naps in pm, don't see with 6 park days why there be in issue hitting everything. IMO not factoring in our larger group of sloths, 1st timers wanting to try everything inc. characters, more photos, shows.

Don't actually know this but I assume there could be some increasing LL purchasing because of advance booking that could impact SB lines since last Aug? And some small seasonal things such as the free dining packages, HS getting EEM, us having 4 party days in our trip Sun, Tue, Fri, Sun impacting crowds in other parks, the chance of some extra rainy days in Sept causing us to cut short day(s), the closures, the new things like Starlight, villians mermaid, TT.

 

[Nick6300]

Currently thinking Fri & Sat MPs with Fri being MK/EP and Sat being AK/HS (sampling all 4 parks and being at end of trip for less miserable experience). I don't think we will be booking LLSPs. Small chance of GotG once or twice. We historically never buy them but also didn't need them before with VQs. I'm considering pushing to add another day or 2 of MPs since better value but not sure I can even manage a 3rd one.

First Sun is MK/EP with 10:30 Crystal that will take 1.5-2 hrs, plus luminous taking up some extra time.
Mon: AK/HS has Fantasmic, also Conservation station with the drawing + LK and Yak TS lunch.
Wed: HS/AK/MK. weird to have 3 but MK is only because that is our only evening for Starlight/HEA so only from like 6-9pm. We're at MK in am Sun, Tue for the party only, and Fri to help with not having MPs.

 

[gottalovepluto]

...The fam of 5 is very budget conscious and read online about families sleeping in without RD, naps in pm, don't see with 6 park days why there be in issue hitting everything. IMO not factoring in our larger group of sloths, 1st timers wanting to try everything inc. characters, more photos, shows.

Don't actually know this but I assume there could be some increasing LL purchasing because of advance booking that could impact SB lines since last Aug? And some small seasonal things such as the free dining packages, HS getting EEM, us having 4 party days in our trip Sun, Tue, Fri, Sun impacting crowds in other parks, the chance of some extra rainy days in Sept causing us to cut short day(s), the closures, the new things like Starlight, villians mermaid, TT.

The first part is a disaster in the making and it sounds like you know it. It's just not reality but you aren't going to convince them otherwise, when someone gets that in their head they need to experience reality themselves. Is that your new touring style and something you want to try? If so cool, but if not you're spending a bunch of money on this trip and you owe it to yourself to do it as your family wants it. Often when groups travel together they will split and meet up for some meals, pool time, a ride or 2. This prevents people getting upset about sleep schedules, RD, etc and makes sure everyone gets some breathing space for sanity. I would do that. There is no way in heck I would sleep in and not use LL in the miserably hot weather of Aug. To me, that's not a vacay. I could skip LL- but I would be at RD or at least arriving around RD.

If they are budget conscious I would not want to convince them to buy LLs. It's a nonrefundable purchase and if you have a bad luck day with weather or ride closures they could become annoyed at you due to how much of a cash outlay it is. Another reason to split, you could do LLs and then ride stuff with them that you don't really need LLs for. I would want 1 day of LLs for DHS and if you do MK on a non-party day I get LL for that day. Integrating PH, AK makes a nice start to the day- if you are there to check into your first LL when the park opens. That gives you the best options for stacking stuff in another park as you can usually start stacking before the people entering that park can due to AK's earlier opening hour.

Increased LL buying isn't really a concern outside of holidays. On party days MK LLs will go faster since the park closes at 6pm, so there are significantly fewer LLs available- but there is also a bit less demand with lower crowds. EEM has no noticeable effect on crowds until park close. You are right crowds will be higher in other parks on MK party days.

 

[Nick6300]

Hi Pluto, it's been a while! We have no choice on splitting from the group of 10, 3 households, since the fam of 5 is my sis in laws fam and the other 2 are my in laws and my wife has been trying to get them to go for years and they finally are. And yes we'd be paying for the LLs along with the various dining such as the $550 Crystal Palace Sun since we're the experienced fam and plan on activating APs (10% off) on this Sept. trip. I'm going to try to get refunded for booking 2 days of MPs since I've mentioned 2 days many times. But of course now thinking about more with nervousness on how little we're going to get to per day, especially if I can't get them to get up early in the am or move faster once in the parks. The whole thing puts me on the spot because I'm the "expert" that has to ensure that with no planning on their part, they see/do everything smoothly for their once in a lifetime trip.

The other 2 families have 6 day PH/Fun (TL on Tue/Thurs), and in laws have 8 day PH/Fun but likely wasted the 2 extra days since they likely won't leave them alone at DS/hotel. Tue/Thurs am, while my wife/baby will host at TL on the off days, I will go to HS alone in am since it is the least liked park by the others (kids, scared of big rides). I went alone to HS last Aug for 1 similar am and finished the entire park by 10:30am by being the first on Rise and racing through (skipping shows of course).

The preconceived notion of 6 days being plenty that you highlighted, I forgot to include that we also have RS to deal with for the 2, 4, 6 yr olds, no VQs. I have no idea how the rider swap is going to play out with very limited experience with it on the last trip with just us. I tried to get a plan for that together and also for designated splitting for attractions by 2 or whatever, and didn't get anywhere. I have been trying to convince them that even just the fact that we're 10 and extremely slow (with my toddler insisting on walking all the time) - that alone, excluding other things, makes us different than most families of 4 or 6 with whom may have written that it's easy to fit in everything in 6 days without RD and such. I think even if it were just my fam of 3 only, we'd now need more than the 0-1 day of MPs we have been doing for a week long trip because we'd no longer be racing through the parks with the baby walking. But that's good to hear that there hasn't been a big change in SB lines due to increased LLSP/LLMP buying due to advance booking (FOMO, convenience, etc.). Been worried about it.

I have heard of the AK LLMP for the cost. Do you pre book just 1 LL at AK and so that you can then book 2nd quicker at HS if that's 2nd park? I wouldn't think you can book 3 at HS after the 1 Safari burned or whatever at 8am reg opening, I assume. I was just going to book 3 in the first park so Fri MK/EP booking like Tiana, HM, Speedway (since they'll want to do it). And Sat AK/HS booking Safari, Kali, EE. I thought about 3 at HS since those are the longer waits and not going to get SDD same day in the afternoon. But figured we're going to be in AK until after 2pm anyhow with a 1pm Rainforest lunch Sat. But I'd like to know how this AK LLMP strategy works for future trips without the entire clan.

 

[gottalovepluto]

Hi Pluto, it's been a while! We have no choice on splitting from the group of 10, 3 households, since the fam of 5 is my sis in laws fam and the other 2 are my in laws and my wife has been trying to get them to go for years and they finally are. And yes we'd be paying for the LLs along with the various dining such as the $550 Crystal Palace Sun since we're the experienced fam and plan on activating APs (10% off) on this Sept. trip. I'm going to try to get refunded for booking 2 days of MPs since I've mentioned 2 days many times. But of course now thinking about more with nervousness on how little we're going to get to per day, especially if I can't get them to get up early in the am or move faster once in the parks. The whole thing puts me on the spot because I'm the "expert" that has to ensure that with no planning on their part, they see/do everything smoothly for their once in a lifetime trip.

The other 2 families have 6 day PH/Fun (TL on Tue/Thurs), and in laws have 8 day PH/Fun but likely wasted the 2 extra days since they likely won't leave them alone at DS/hotel. Tue/Thurs am, while my wife/baby will host at TL on the off days, I will go to HS alone in am since it is the least liked park by the others (kids, scared of big rides). I went alone to HS last Aug for 1 similar am and finished the entire park by 10:30am by being the first on Rise and racing through (skipping shows of course).

The preconceived notion of 6 days being plenty that you highlighted, I forgot to include that we also have RS to deal with for the 2, 4, 6 yr olds, no VQs. I have no idea how the rider swap is going to play out with very limited experience with it on the last trip with just us. I tried to get a plan for that together and also for designated splitting for attractions by 2 or whatever, and didn't get anywhere. I have been trying to convince them that even just the fact that we're 10 and extremely slow (with my toddler insisting on walking all the time) - that alone, excluding other things, makes us different than most families of 4 or 6 with whom may have written that it's easy to fit in everything in 6 days without RD and such. I think even if it were just my fam of 3 only, we'd now need more than the 0-1 day of MPs we have been doing for a week long trip because we'd no longer be racing through the parks with the baby walking. But that's good to hear that there hasn't been a big change in SB lines due to increased LLSP/LLMP buying due to advance booking (FOMO, convenience, etc.). Been worried about it.

I have heard of the AK LLMP for the cost. Do you pre book just 1 LL at AK and so that you can then book 2nd quicker at HS if that's 2nd park? I wouldn't think you can book 3 at HS after the 1 Safari burned or whatever at 8am reg opening, I assume. I was just going to book 3 in the first park so Fri MK/EP booking like Tiana, HM, Speedway (since they'll want to do it). And Sat AK/HS booking Safari, Kali, EE. I thought about 3 at HS since those are the longer waits and not going to get SDD same day in the afternoon. But figured we're going to be in AK until after 2pm anyhow with a 1pm Rainforest lunch Sat. But I'd like to know how this AK LLMP strategy works for future trips without the entire clan.

Your head must be swirling, I think you’re gonna need a vacation from your vacation!

You only need to tap into 1 LL to unlock the ability to start booking in another park and unlock tier restrictions. That said while you’ll likely be able to grab something like MMRR, you are very unlikely to be getting SDD day of and if you do it would likely require lots of refreshing. Browse Thrill Data to get a feel for LL availability.

It doesn’t really take time to cancel LLs but if you know you won’t use the LL it is pointless to book it. I find Safari and Navi get me good bang for my AK LL buck as EE has a single rider line when I’m not with someone I want to sit next to. If I can’t find early morning times for Navi or Safari I’ll pick up EE or anything available early so I can start my 2nd park stacking asap. AK days pair nicely with DHS or MK if you’re willing to forgo headline rides for the cost savings on LL.

 

[HeiHei2018]

Personally, I would get LL for the day you start at HS (Wed ) to allow you to prebook those rides. HS is so hot, and the lines get so long (35 minutes even for Aliens). AK is pretty manageable in the afternoon, and even faster with day-of LL. We tried to do same-day LL for MK when hopping from Epcot last August, but only got MMRR, MFSR, and Aliens. There may have been others, but we didn’t want to stay in the park all day.

 

[pooch]

Ok I will be the contrarian here. By day 3, maybe 4, you are gonna run everyone into the ground. I was like you - gotta do it all go go go - when I brought the whole family. The grands were 6, 8 & 9. My DD worked in entertainment at Universal so we started with 2 nights/ 2 day passes there while her friends & coworkers spoiled them. Then over to Disney for 5 more nights with 4 park days. By the second day at Disney the kids were toast. I was so anxious for them to see everything and do everything that I forgot this trip was supposed to be fun. Learned my lesson. The next trip I scheduled a resort day in between park days. Maybe we played mini golf, maybe the water park, maybe all day at the pool if that’s what they wanted/needed. It was the best trip ever and one they still talk about. Did we see it/do it all? Nope. Did we have a great time? Absolutely!

 

[AngusIsMySpiritAnimal]

I second the start at AK strategy! For one, it's a great park for kiddos. Its benefit in terms of LLs though, beyond price, is that it generally opens earlier than the other parks. ..making it a GREAT way to snag a whole day's lineup across all the parks since you can ride early and book new rides quickly - but only if you can get there early AND park hop efficiently. With such a big group, and so many littles in tow, both may be unlikely.


Personally, I would start by managing expectations with the family re: rides and characters. Take a poll and put together a strategy based on absolute must dos. Underscore that Disney, as incredible as it is, is REALLY taxing, especially on young kids. So much stimulation, so many weird people in costume (ask me about when my then 4 yr old DD almost dislocated my DH's arm trying to get away from a VERY unsatisfactory experience with Piglet ), so much walking, so little routine, so many transitions...


Then go into your strategy with a "come what may" attitude, that you will knock out some headliners and just roll with the rest. You may find, like we did, that one of the kids hates dark rides and drops, rendering Tiana and Frozen terrifying! You may find, like we did, that an unsung ride like Remy becomes the family favorite crowd pleaser that you go out of your way to schedule into every day. Or that, as for us, SDD is down every time you try to ride it LL or no, for two trips running! ( ) You may find that the parents who were against RD aren't as much when their Disney infused kids are up at 6AM raring to go!


Your trip will change dramatically from any "plan" you put in place, especially the first time. We are headed back in December for our fifth trip and just became APs, but my DH only went back on our last trip because after 3 trips I finally learned to let go of my "beat the buzzer," do it all, mentality and let our days flow a little more organically. Which for us, means we DO NOT rope drop lol, and everyone is happier for it, and we use LLs effectively to still ensure we have a great time, but usually by only planning for one headliner per day, or two if we start at AK. So that definitely can be done, but we also know it means we probably won't stack as many rides into one day as we possibly could. Choose the best, and enjoy the rest!

 

[Nick6300]

Your head must be swirling, I think you’re gonna need a vacation from your vacation!

You only need to tap into 1 LL to unlock the ability to start booking in another park and unlock tier restrictions. That said while you’ll likely be able to grab something like MMRR, you are very unlikely to be getting SDD day of and if you do it would likely require lots of refreshing. Browse Thrill Data to get a feel for LL availability.

It doesn’t really take time to cancel LLs but if you know you won’t use the LL it is pointless to book it. I find Safari and Navi get me good bang for my AK LL buck as EE has a single rider line when I’m not with someone I want to sit next to. If I can’t find early morning times for Navi or Safari I’ll pick up EE or anything available early so I can start my 2nd park stacking asap. AK days pair nicely with DHS or MK if you’re willing to forgo headline rides for the cost savings on LL.

Thanks! I know some on LLs but limited experience actually buying/using them because we never needed them. The 1 day last yr we booked was a MK or HS day where we booked all three, it was before the pricing tiers I think so we would never have bought one for AK. I do know enough that SDD is tough SD. I think every attraction is fair game with this group since they want to do everything, which means likely no SR at EE I think they want to be together. AK is everyone else's fav so that's why we're there until after lunch at 1-2:30 ish both on Mon and Sat. With that do you agree then, that I should go with 3 prebooked at MK & AK or still 1 at AK and start getting ones for HS even though we won't be there until about 3:30? With the smaller kids, we'd have to RS a lot at HS except TSM and MMRR. We have 3 partial days at HS and my feeling is that they will try all rides at HS once, and quickly not do something like ToT/RnR 2nd time but yes to a kiddie ride like SDD.

Can you refresh me on stacking? The last time I recall doing it was during Genie or seems like 1-2 yrs ago. So if you got just Safari or Navi as early as possible (even if you're early on FoP and Navi 2nd would be a walk on), with the intent do go to MK or HS, you can get any 1 there like a Tiana/Pan or SDD. When can you get that 3rd one and 4th one, do you have to wait until you tap at the one at MK or HS or is it the sooner of that and an hour from the 2nd selection?

I think for simplicity we'd be booking everyone the same LLs regardless if the little kids or a scared adult doesn't want to ride something, and hopefully they're willing to hand over mbs and a small group will ride 2x and we can move on. (I'm still trying to convince them to buy MBs. But that, and any RS will take us longer and I will have to gap attractions to allow for that. I think too difficult to have different LLs for certain people.

 

[Nick6300]

Personally, I would get LL for the day you start at HS (Wed ) to allow you to prebook those rides. HS is so hot, and the lines get so long (35 minutes even for Aliens). AK is pretty manageable in the afternoon, and even faster with day-of LL. We tried to do same-day LL for MK when hopping from Epcot last August, but only got MMRR, MFSR, and Aliens. There may have been others, but we didn’t want to stay in the park all day.

Thanks I have been considering Wed and Sat for the initial 2 LL days but then realized all our MKs were in the party am's to help their wallet on less LLMP days and so Wed is our only chance at Starlight and HEA, and I figured that's at least 2 hrs out of a LL day. While the Fri Sat is at the end and has a sample of all 4 parks, Sat isn't perfect with staying in AK until 2:30 and Fri MK start being a party so maybe not as needed. Mon selection would be AK/HS day but again, be at AK until 2:30 (1:15 Yak) and it's our only shot at Fantasmic so maybe 90 min there that could otherwise be rides. I was sort of thinking Wed Fri Sat as well. The reason I have Wed HS/AK/MK rather than AK first is with the Tue party, I don't expect them to wake up for AK. Don't even know how early we'd get to HS. Even though AK is cheaper if I end up with a LL that day is any AK day they will want to stay until as last possible. Since they love it there, even though it's a half day park for me.

 

[Nick6300]

Ok I will be the contrarian here. By day 3, maybe 4, you are gonna run everyone into the ground. I was like you - gotta do it all go go go - when I brought the whole family. The grands were 6, 8 & 9. My DD worked in entertainment at Universal so we started with 2 nights/ 2 day passes there while her friends & coworkers spoiled them. Then over to Disney for 5 more nights with 4 park days. By the second day at Disney the kids were toast. I was so anxious for them to see everything and do everything that I forgot this trip was supposed to be fun. Learned my lesson. The next trip I scheduled a resort day in between park days. Maybe we played mini golf, maybe the water park, maybe all day at the pool if that’s what they wanted/needed. It was the best trip ever and one they still talk about. Did we see it/do it all? Nope. Did we have a great time? Absolutely!

Thanks. I know you probably understand that I'm trying to not let them down on seeing everything too. But yes need to realize that there are little kids and adults who aren't Dis super fans. I did warn them that a WDW vacation is not a beach vacation, it's tiring. And of the 9 days (arrive Sat 9/13-Sun 9/21), we have the first park day Sun, with the sleep in or TL noonish start on Tue party day only, and again the Thurs TL off day for them to help with rest. Is it enough Idk. But right now, I feel like the 6 days I have to work with is tough enough when factoring in trying to get all of the finishing shows (so having ea park early and night), the AKs, characters, shows, etc. Do you suggest anything specific like cutting out a day or more I shouldn't harp on them to wake up for RD or do try to go back in later afternoons for naps? I am coming from always doing RD, stay all day and napping in select shows, moving fast everywhere. I do plan on trying to be patient with the pace. I decided on the APs for this trip so that we can book another to help me feel more ok with not getting to as much this trip since I'm trying to have this trip be more for the fam of 5 who aren't going again.

 

[Nick6300]

I second the start at AK strategy! For one, it's a great park for kiddos. Its benefit in terms of LLs though, beyond price, is that it generally opens earlier than the other parks. ..making it a GREAT way to snag a whole day's lineup across all the parks since you can ride early and book new rides quickly - but only if you can get there early AND park hop efficiently. With such a big group, and so many littles in tow, both may be unlikely.


Personally, I would start by managing expectations with the family re: rides and characters. Take a poll and put together a strategy based on absolute must dos. Underscore that Disney, as incredible as it is, is REALLY taxing, especially on young kids. So much stimulation, so many weird people in costume (ask me about when my then 4 yr old DD almost dislocated my DH's arm trying to get away from a VERY unsatisfactory experience with Piglet ), so much walking, so little routine, so many transitions...


Then go into your strategy with a "come what may" attitude, that you will knock out some headliners and just roll with the rest. You may find, like we did, that one of the kids hates dark rides and drops, rendering Tiana and Frozen terrifying! You may find, like we did, that an unsung ride like Remy becomes the family favorite crowd pleaser that you go out of your way to schedule into every day. Or that, as for us, SDD is down every time you try to ride it LL or no, for two trips running! ( ) You may find that the parents who were against RD aren't as much when their Disney infused kids are up at 6AM raring to go!


Your trip will change dramatically from any "plan" you put in place, especially the first time. We are headed back in December for our fifth trip and just became APs, but my DH only went back on our last trip because after 3 trips I finally learned to let go of my "beat the buzzer," do it all, mentality and let our days flow a little more organically. Which for us, means we DO NOT rope drop lol, and everyone is happier for it, and we use LLs effectively to still ensure we have a great time, but usually by only planning for one headliner per day, or two if we start at AK. So that definitely can be done, but we also know it means we probably won't stack as many rides into one day as we possibly could. Choose the best, and enjoy the rest!

Thanks I will keep in mind that things will likely change like you said in your examples. I have tried to gauge on a variety of topics but only succeeded in overwhelming. Which characters are priorities, what do you think on certain coasters, etc. They literally ignore any questions I have now and I think I have to just decide and see how it goes and hopefully adjust well. I think the 6 year old girl currently said that she can ride roller coasters, and she's tall enough for all but 2 (I think it was Tron and RnR). But she's never ridden one so it could be the opposite. The 4 yr old can go on most things except maybe 4. The 9 year old seems fairly adventurous. The parents and my in laws will likely try the ToTs once but not again. They are not into big rides. My baby can't go on any big rides of course.

 

[AngusIsMySpiritAnimal]

Thanks I will keep in mind that things will likely change like you said in your examples. I have tried to gauge on a variety of topics but only succeeded in overwhelming. Which characters are priorities, what do you think on certain coasters, etc. They literally ignore any questions I have now and I think I have to just decide and see how it goes and hopefully adjust well. I think the 6 year old girl currently said that she can ride roller coasters, and she's tall enough for all but 2 (I think it was Tron and RnR). But she's never ridden one so it could be the opposite. The 4 yr old can go on most things except maybe 4. The 9 year old seems fairly adventurous. The parents and my in laws will likely try the ToTs once but not again. They are not into big rides. My baby can't go on any big rides of course.

We also have a 9 yr old thrill seeker! Her favorites are Guardians of the Galaxy (which is absolutely incredible btw), Tron, Slinky (when its running), and Expedition Everest, which she prefers in the FRONT ROW! . On our last trip she dragged my poor DH onto ToT, while I happily waited post-ride with my DS ... She has decided she wants to "level up" to Velocicoaster if we squeak IoA into our next trip .

I will say GoG is VERY VERY intense. It's probably not the ride to "test" a new roller coaster rider on. Tron, while quite short, is also VERY fast. Try the 6 year old and 4 year old (height permitting) on Barnstormer, Seven Dwarves, Tiana and Soarin - those rides have drops and velocity changes with a much lower level of intensity. Important to note, that while they are considered "low intensity" rides, they all include unexpected changes in direction and elevation. My 6 yr old DS did not enjoy any of them, even though are generally considered kid friendly.

Our 6 yr old DS effectively hates anything that isn't a gentle, flat ride (Remy, Navi, Ariel, Haunted Mansion, Pirates, Safari, Nemo), or a laser blaster game (Toy Story Mania / Buzz / Villaincon at UO). He's a huge dinosaur fan, but he's never ridden Dinosaur, as those animatronics and drops are too much. He wouldn't ride Star Tours. He will ride RotR, but I make sure to put on headphones that help block out its very loud, intense blasting noises. There are also unexpected drops, changes of direction, and menacing characters on that ride, which can be scary for a small child.

For the whole family, we found Remy, Alien Swirling Saucers and MMRR to be unexpectedly fun rides.

Also, if its makes any difference, you can book different people in your group with different LLs - so, maybe not waste Slinky or one of other other big rides on a member of your party that definitely won't ride, and book them on Alien Saucers or something else in the meanwhile. We also use Rider Swap quite extensively - meaning our wild child gets to ride every thrill ride twice, and our DS gets to meander around in post-ride gift shops, running up our bill.

 

[pooch]

I’ve been going to WDW almost yearly since 2006 and have never ever seen RD. I know, I know! You get SO MUCH done! I’m sorry but there isn’t enough coffee in the world to get me up & out at that hour let alone the whole family. And yet I’ve always managed to do & see everything on my list without it.
IMHO you need to seriously downgrade expectations. Pick 3-4 must dos in each park and anything else is gravy. Are they gonna miss stuff? Yup. Are they gonna know what they missed? Probably not unless you tell them!

Let this be their trip then go commando on another trip without them.

 

[HeiHei2018]

Thanks. I know you probably understand that I'm trying to not let them down on seeing everything too. But yes need to realize that there are little kids and adults who aren't Dis super fans. I did warn them that a WDW vacation is not a beach vacation, it's tiring. And of the 9 days (arrive Sat 9/13-Sun 9/21), we have the first park day Sun, with the sleep in or TL noonish start on Tue party day only, and again the Thurs TL off day for them to help with rest. Is it enough Idk. But right now, I feel like the 6 days I have to work with is tough enough when factoring in trying to get all of the finishing shows (so having ea park early and night), the AKs, characters, shows, etc. Do you suggest anything specific like cutting out a day or more I shouldn't harp on them to wake up for RD or do try to go back in later afternoons for naps? I am coming from always doing RD, stay all day and napping in select shows, moving fast everywhere. I do plan on trying to be patient with the pace. I decided on the APs for this trip so that we can book another to help me feel more ok with not getting to as much this trip since I'm trying to have this trip be more for the fam of 5 who aren't going again.

As the PP said, focus on everyone having a good time, not seeing everything. When my daughter was 4, we did one day at MK, rope drop to 6 pm. And everyone had a great time. She never saw fireworks from inside a park until she was 10, and the grandparents will probably never stay for fireworks. None of us set foot in AK until she was 11, and we didn’t even ride FOP. Trying to do everything will make everyone miserable. Find out what everyone’s favorite ride or character will be, and prioritize that. The littles are unlikely to make it all day, especially if there is no rest break. And that’s ok.