How Long Before We Invade Iran?

[dcentity2000]

Someone made the point to me that if it should so wish, Iran can harm America pretty well; it controls huge oil reserves, 60% of the world's natural gas and can stir things up in Iraq no end.



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[LukenDC]

Someone made the point to me that if it should so wish, Iran can harm America pretty well; it controls huge oil reserves, 60% of the world's natural gas and can stir things up in Iraq no end.

Rich::

Iran is already supporting the insurgency in Iraq. As for manipulating oil supplies, it would not be the first time that the West has confronted a drop in Middle Eastern energy supplies due to a political crisis. Due to sanctions the United States does not obtain any of its energy from Iran, but a reduction of Iranian oil and natural gas output would have consequences for the global economy and hence the United States.

 

[lw49033]

Iran isn't even pretending, like Iraq did, that they aren't trying to make nuclear weapons. They are saying flat out that they are working on them and will release them in Israel and the United States when they have them.

No, they are not. That is right-wing scaremongering at its ugliest. There is not a single quote threatening the United States with a nuclear attack simply for existing, nor have they admitted that they want nuclear weapons. Find a single Iranian government source that says so.

 

[HOGFAN]

I think that when its all said and done, Iran will buckle. what do they stand to gain by:

sanctions: their economy suffers
pursuing nukes: bombing by somebody
turning off the spigot: again, their economy

 

[Sylvester McBean]

I'm tired of our involvement in the Middle East. escalate the hunt on Bin Laden and kill him. withdraw the troops from Afghanistan and Iraq and let Iraq fight it's own civil wars. let Israel, Palestine, and Iran go at it. they can all nuke each other until the Middle East is a carpet of glass. we need to untangle ourselves from it all. it's a zealot-fueled religious war of hate and real estate over there and no country is going to win.

 

[ford family]

According to whom, AIPAC? That is absolute bunk.

You are joking, aren't you?

Try typing "iran wants to destroy israel" into www.altavista.com and see the resulting confirmation.

ford family

 

[lw49033]

You are joking, aren't you?

Try typing "iran wants to destroy israel" into www.altavista.com and see the resulting confirmation.

ford family

I was referring to Ahmedinejad's alleged motivation--that he "wants every Jew to be killed."

There are lots of people the world over who think the state of Israel is at least morally illegitimate and should be destroyed, who also do not care what Jews do or don't do in other countries. Israel was established on the backs of another people. It's quite understandable that many people want to see Israel destroyed, although it's unfortunate for the world at large.

 

[Teejay32]

If Iran is still working the way it was supposed to work, with its Supreme Council and everything, then President Ahmajihadi doesn't even command Iran's military. The country is not going to crumble the way Iraq did once its leader was ousted, so I strongly doubt an invasion is being planned right now.

 

[ford family]

I was referring to Ahmedinejad's alleged motivation--that he "wants every Jew to be killed."

There are lots of people the world over who think the state of Israel is at least morally illegitimate and should be destroyed, who also do not care what Jews do or don't do in other countries. Israel was established on the backs of another people. It's quite understandable that many people want to see Israel destroyed, although it's unfortunate for the world at large.

Destroying Israel but not wanting to harm Jews is not my understanding of what motivates the Iranians.

Israel was established by the UN and gives a democratic vote to Jews, Muslims and Christians alike. The Arab nations tried to strangle Israel at birth but only succeeded in driving thousands of Palestinians away from what could have been a safe harbour for them. Instead they became a displaced people and have been fighting a losing battle ever since.

ford family

 

[lw49033]

Destroying Israel but not wanting to harm Jews is not my understanding of what motivates the Iranians.

I've never heard anything to make me believe the contrary. There are Jews living in Iran right now, and there always have been.

Israel was established by the UN and gives a democratic vote to Jews, Muslims and Christians alike. The Arab nations tried to strangle Israel at birth but only succeeded in driving thousands of Palestinians away from what could have been a safe harbour for them. Instead they became a displaced people and have been fighting a losing battle ever since.

Not quite. Israel declared independence in 1948 and was recognized by the UN in 1949. The UN worked on the partition plan of 1947 which never went into effect--the partition that gave the Jews, a minority of 30%, about 55% of the land in Palestine (gee, I wonder why the Arabs didn't go for that?) But they did not "establish" Israel, and even their admission of Israel to the General Assembly was contingent on their agreement to accept Arab war refugees, which of course Israel went back on before the ink was dry on the papers.

Israel has brought its misery on itself, but even if it hadn't there is no reason for our countries to be dragged into its problems.

 

[MouseWorshipin]

No, they are not. That is right-wing scaremongering at its ugliest. There is not a single quote threatening the United States with a nuclear attack simply for existing, nor have they admitted that they want nuclear weapons. Find a single Iranian government source that says so.

That's what the Wall Street Journal says. Talk about this stuff all the time. I think if they were falsely quoting people, I think it would make a big enough story that I'd have heard about it. I don't read right-wing or left-wing political stuff. I'm not that into politics.

I don't even read the paper every day.

I'm not a wing-er, right or left. I always stay out of political stuff, because of it. I don't think this is a political issue.

I gave my opinion. I don't argue with you, please don't argue with me.

 

[JudicialTyranny]

No, they are not. That is right-wing scaremongering at its ugliest. There is not a single quote threatening the United States with a nuclear attack simply for existing, nor have they admitted that they want nuclear weapons. Find a single Iranian government source that says so.

No offense, but you are delusional. Where have you been since Nov 4, 1979? (In case you forget, that's the day the Iranians siezed the Amercan embassy and took 52 people hostage and held them for 444 days.)

So, you see, I don't care if I don't see a quote from someone in the Iranian government threatening the US with an attack "simply for existing". (Is this qualification you added because you think there other valid reasons for them to attack us, but just not the "simply for existing" reason?)

Their history shows that they do provide support to Islamist terrorists throughout the world. And that's enough of a reason right there to deny them any sort of nuclear capability.

They don't need nuclear power for energy - they have pleny of oil. It's all a ruse to obtain nuclear weapons.

State sponsor of terrorists? NO NUKES FOR YOU! NEXT!

 

[TDC Nala]

the authority and the control of the ports of the United States must be retained by American companies.

They're not run by American companies in the first place. Maybe he wants to turn them over to American companies. Not a bad idea...but I'd like to see how he would explain to the other countries the reasons why we won't be doing business with them any more. I think that's the tricky part.

 

[mickeyfan2]

I don't CARE what happens to Israel. Israeli security or even national existence is not worth any of our kids' lives!

Anti-Semitism at it's best!!!!

 

[Holly]

Anti-Semitism at it's best!!!!

Mickeyfan, that quote is not anti-Semitic.
I feel the same way about Iraq, but it doesn't mean that I am prejudiced against any of their population groups. Just because someone does not agree with our support of Isreal does not make them anti-Semitic.

 

[kydisneyfans]

Bush will invade Iran just before the 2008 election-that way the focus is on a war and not how bad of a mess "W" really left this country in.

 

[mickeyfan2]

Mickeyfan, that quote is not anti-Semitic.
I feel the same way about Iraq, but it doesn't mean that I am prejudiced against any of their population groups. Just because someone does not agree with our support of Isreal does not make them anti-Semitic.

The person's entire post was Anti-Semitic. Did you not read all of lw49033's posts?

 

[salmoneous]

State sponsor of terrorists? NO NUKES FOR YOU! NEXT!

Sure, that sounds all nice. But how are going to stop them? Pakistan was a sponsor of terrorists. We couldn't stop them from getting nukes. Heck, they could give nukes to anyone they want and we couldn't stop them.

For what it's worth, most of nuclear powers have sponsored groups that act pretty much like terrorists. Nobody has ever been foolish enough to give those groups nukes, however. We need to find way to make sure Iran also doesn't do anything so stupid.

 

[Holly]

The person's entire post was Anti-Semitic. Did you not read all of lw49033's posts?

I read every single post and did not find them to be anti- Semitic. I do see how some readers could disagree or even be offended by that way of thinking, but it is just that person's opinion on our support of Israel.

 

[dcentity2000]

The person's entire post was Anti-Semitic. Did you not read all of lw49033's posts?

It wasn't anti-semetic.



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