How does vandalism and looting accomplish anything???

[Luvchefmic]

The NYT referred to George Zimmerman as "white Hispanic" and Dillon Taylor was light skinned. If I saw him on the street where we live I'd think he was white because we don't have a large Hispanic population.

I think CPT Tripss is referring to the cop not being verified as a black.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

That's not what the linked article says . . .

The NYT referred to George Zimmerman as "white Hispanic" and Dillon Taylor was light skinned. If I saw him on the street where we live I'd think he was white because we don't have a large Hispanic population.

The article does not conflict with what OceanAnnie says as it pertains to this thread. The decendant was non-black while the officer was black. Looking at photos of him, Hispanic would not be my first thought. But if he is, he is . Still doesn't make him black. It should be noted that local media kept referring for he officer as non-white.

ETA: you are right, the officer's race has not been confirmed. But the rest stands.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

A couple things jump out at me. First of all, Dillon Taylor's body is treated with respect and covered by a sheet. In Ferguson Brown's body remained in the street for hours, some of that time uncovered. Secondly (and more importantly), the entire thing was recorded by the officer's lapel camera. The family and community will eventually know for sure what happened from the officer's point of view. They know that if he was indeed unarmed it will show on the camera and that the officer will be charged.

The family of Michael Brown does not have that same assurance that they will know for sure what happened when Michael was shot and for them the "Blue Shield" is quite real.


What exactly does that mean?

Came across this New York Times article.

1. Scene was immediately transferred to St Louis County Police. They were called at 12:07.
2. 12:10 paramedic in the area arrived and checked Mike's pulse and assessed injuries as imcompatible with life.
3. At 12:15--Paramedic covered the body with a sheet.

Yes Mike Brown was out there for 4 hours. But he only remained uncovered for about 10 minutes of that time.

Now--it goes on to say that there are additional suggested methods to conceal the scene if the body remains.

But if you are going to compare scenes and reference the respect of covering with a sheet--it was done practically immediately in the grand scheme when one was available. The first time I had seen any documentation of that given everyone giving the impression that he lay exposed with not even a sheet for a very long time.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/08/2...ours-on-a-ferguson-street.html?_r=0&referrer=

 

[OceanAnnie]

That's not what the linked article says . . .

You are right. The article does not divulge the race of the police officer. I read a Hispanic blog that did. It was on my mind when I typed the post. I'm not going to provide a link. It's not verified.

Interesting how this case differs from Michael Brown's.

The police officer's name and race are withheld. There is concern for the police officer's due process. Not reported by national news outlets.

 

[Gumbo4x4]

Last night I watched Hannity. Can't stand him ,too much like Rush, but there was a panel which included people on both sides. They all agreed that there was more racism and discrimination in the 60's and that we've come a long way. It still exists but not nearly to the same degree. The panel also agreed that Dr. King emphasized personal responsibility and that this emphasis is not being stressed by those people who have appointed themselves to lead African Americans today. The panelists said that their leaders do not stress getting educated as a way of breaking the cycle of poverty. Hannity was annoying but it really was a good show and very civil.

This is where the current black leaders are missing the mark. What they SHOULD be saying is:


We demand a complete & thorough investigation. And if the officer is guilty of wrong doing, we expect him to be punished to the full extent of the law. But, if this shooting proves to be justified, we will accept that & move on.

 

[Disneychick75]

You are right. The article does not divulge the race of the police officer. I read a Hispanic blog that did. It was on my mind when I typed the post. I'm not going to provide a link. It's not verified.

Interesting how this case differs from Michael Brown's.

The police officer's name and race are withheld. There is concern for the police officer's due process. Not reported by national news outlets.

Everyone, including the media, jumps on the race issue in Ferguson when a white cop, Wilson, shoots an African-American "gentle giant", Brown. When a non-white, (maybe he's green?), cop shoots Taylor, its glossed over. Sounds racist to me.

 

[Luvchefmic]

I don't understand how that dept is getting away with using the description " non-white " either.

 

[TLSnell1981]

Heartbreaking,his poor family

Too many have no respect for life. Very sad, but a reality for LEO and their loved ones.

 

[CPT Tripss]

I think CPT Tripss is referring to the cop not being verified as a black.

No, I mean both people involved. If the victim was Hispanic as self identified and as identified by others, then it's disingenuous to say it was white man shot by a police officer.

I don't understand how that dept is getting away with using the description " non-white " either.

Exactly what is the department "getting away with" by not answering his race/ethnicity?

 

[Luvchefmic]

No, I mean both people involved. If the victim was Hispanic as self identified and as identified by others, then it's disingenuous to say it was white man shot by a police officer.



Exactly what is the department "getting away with" by not answering his race/ethnicity?

You're correct it is disingenuous. I worked for PDs when it comes to records, let's say a Missing Person entry into the FBI and local system, there are many choices. For Hispanic there is White-Hispanic and Black -Hispanic.

How this is determined I don't know, solely visual, self-identified by reporting family, etc. ? I just know how people are categorized. So if Dillon Taylor is Hispanic he is not a " white man shot".


Re- My remark about " getting away with ": The head of that dept. goes on and on in many reports that " This is not Ferguson" and believes in communication" . Well I don't understand why the big secret. Why not release the race/ethnicity ? You withhold facts it appears you are hiding something.

 

[Disneychick75]

No, I mean both people involved. If the victim was Hispanic as self identified and as identified by others, then it's disingenuous to say it was white man shot by a police officer.



Exactly what is the department "getting away with" by not answering his race/ethnicity?

It's also disingenuous to think the cop asked Taylor's race before he shot him.

Residents and media were having a cow because the Ferguson police would not release information right away. The Taylor shooting took place on Aug 11, 2 days after Brown's shooting and the Salt Lake City PD still have not released info.

 

[CPT Tripss]

I think CPT Tripss is referring to the cop not being verified as a black.

You're correct it is disingenuous. I worked for PDs when it comes to records, let's say a Missing Person entry into the FBI and local system, there are many choices. For Hispanic there is White-Hispanic and Black -Hispanic.

How this is determined I don't know, solely visual, self-identified by reporting family, etc. ? I just know how people are categorized. So if Dillon Taylor is Hispanic he is not a " white man shot".


Re- My remark about " getting away with ": The head of that dept. goes on and on in many reports that " This is not Ferguson" and believes in communication" . Well I don't understand why the big secret. Why not release the race/ethnicity ? You withhold facts it appears you are hiding something.

Thanks for clarifying your post.

 

[CPT Tripss]

I think CPT Tripss is referring to the cop not being verified as a black.

It's also disingenuous to think the cop asked Taylor's race before he shot him.

Residents and media were having a cow because the Ferguson police would not release information right away. The Taylor shooting took place on Aug 11, 2 days after Brown's shooting and the Salt Lake City PD still have not released info.

In the SLC case you and perhaps another poster are two are trying to make this a racial issue comparable to Ferguson. Maybe the citizens of SLC view this event totally differently.

But then it's pretty obvious what you view as racism . . .

 

[Luvchefmic]

Thanks for clarifying your post.

You're welcome. I'd like to explain something else if I may. The first I heard about Dillon Taylor was right here. I have been dealing with other things in real life, as we all do, but this month more so. So I never heard a thing. Here I read white and his name Dillon Taylor. I went with that info and no other.


After initially posting, I dug further. When I saw his picture I immediately thought White-Hispanic, when I saw his family, read articles, etc it only verified to me that yes he is White-Hispanic.


All these events are so sad. I see no end in sight.

 

[OceanAnnie]

I read another sad case (that has not been picked up by the national media). It's a similar case to Michael Brown's, but very different handling. Black police officer/non-black decedent.

"It would be wholly inappropriate to take the most vital piece of evidence that we have and put it out to the public prior to the officer having some due process."--- Salt Lake City Police Chief Chris Burbank

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/...on-Taylor-shooting-on-body-camera.html?pg=all

No, I mean both people involved. If the victim was Hispanic as self identified and as identified by others, then it's disingenuous to say it was white man shot by a police officer.

Who stated the decedent was white?

In the SLC case you and perhaps another poster are two are trying to make this a racial issue comparable to Ferguson. Maybe the citizens of SLC view this event totally differently.

But then it's pretty obvious what you view as racism . . .

I don't know who you are referring to or what you are getting at. If you are referring my post, I merely pointed out the handling of the case was different. I found it interesting.

The police officer's name and race are withheld. There is concern for the police officer's due process. Not reported by national news outlets.

Well I don't understand why the big secret. Why not release the race/ethnicity ? You withhold facts it appears you are hiding something.

I wondered the same thing.

 

[Gumbo4x4]

No, I mean both people involved. If the victim was Hispanic as self identified and as identified by others, then it's disingenuous to say it was white man shot by a police officer.



Exactly what is the department "getting away with" by not answering his race/ethnicity?

Hispanic isn't truly a defined race though, so one could see why that gets sticky.

One could be 100% Native American, 100% European descent, 100% African descent, or any combination of the above and identify yourself as "Hispanic" based on recent geography.

 

[Disneychick75]

In the SLC case you and perhaps another poster are two are trying to make this a racial issue comparable to Ferguson. Maybe the citizens of SLC view this event totally differently.

But then it's pretty obvious what you view as racism . . .

The point is Wilson shoots Brown and it's a huge race issue. Why when a non white police officer shoots a white individual is it not also viewed as racism? The treatment of the cases is different in the media, why? That is my problem with the whole thing. If it was the opposite, it would bother me just as much.
BTW, our daughter is adopted and she's biracial. Race is not an issue for me and never has been.

 

[JoeA]

The point is Wilson shoots Brown and it's a huge race issue. Why when a non white police officer shoots a white individual is it not also viewed as racism? The treatment of the cases is different in the media, why? That is my problem with the whole thing. If it was the opposite, it would bother me just as much. BTW, our daughter is adopted and she's biracial. Race is not an issue for me and never has been.

The treatment in the media is different because there is no money in a "black on white" shooting.

It's not a "right v wrong" issue at all but when things like this happen the media jumps on it and viewership increases. Its a race to win eyeballs. Heck, anymore they report crap as "breaking news" that later turns our as utter BS.

And not to sound overly jaded but is there really "news" any longer? Seems to me it's all opinion and viewpoints.

 

[Viva Las Disney]

The point is Wilson shoots Brown and it's a huge race issue. Why when a non white police officer shoots a white individual is it not also viewed as racism? The treatment of the cases is different in the media, why? That is my problem with the whole thing. If it was the opposite, it would bother me just as much.

It's even more odd than that because estimates put police killings at 400 per year with the victims being 44% white, 32% black, and 20% Hispanic.

Of all those killings why did this ONE killing become the one to blow up?

Dozens of black people, white people, and Hispanic people are killed by police every month but I can't think of another police shooting in my lifetime that got even one tenth of the attention this shooting got. Even more odd is it turned into a huge racism issue and there hasn't been a shred of evidence that race or racism was even a factor.

The treatment in the media is different because there is no money in a "black on white" shooting.

Sadly true, no money in black on black or white on white shootings either. The media milked this thing for everything it was worth, gotta fill those 24 hours a day with "breaking news" drama somehow.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Love this lady:

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/pro-darren-wilson-rally-finds-unlikely-hero

Posting for what she says and what she does and it does make sense.