How does vandalism and looting accomplish anything???

Just saw MLK III on CNN, and he's saying that there needs to be a special prosecutor, since according to him, the county prosecutor, McCulloch has "already demonstrated bias".

The only thing I've found on McCulloch is that he strongly criticized Gov. Nixon for bringing in Capt Feelgood and the highway patrol in to take over security in Ferguson. I'm not seeing how that makes him biased, but maybe there's something else out there.

I think that is fair actually.

I think bypassing local to ensure impartiality is a fair request given the situation.

What is the prosecutor's record with properly pursuing conviction, when warranted, or police officers charged with crimes? (Wondering if there is a history of not being impartial.)
 
Come on, you know the answer to that! ;)

I predicted it if you look back.

Anything that shows that this is anything other than an unjustified homicide will not be accepted.

(I do no accept the video as unquestionable proof--but as it shows something other the desired conclusion--it was quickly dismissed.)
 
I think that is fair actually.

I think bypassing local to ensure impartiality is a fair request given the situation.

What is the prosecutor's record with properly pursuing conviction, when warranted, or police officers charged with crimes? (Wondering if there is a history of not being impartial.)

All I've found about him so far is that he is a very tough "law and order" kind of prosecutor. Son of police officer that died in the line of duty.

I don't disagree that it might be best to have someone independent, but at the same time, I would like to see on what the accusation of bias is based.

On the other hand, I can also see where it could come off as shopping around for a prosecutor that will come to the conclusion that the people of Ferguson, and apparently, the governor of Missouri, want, which is a murder charge against officer Wilson.
 
I can only find the original "story" on the Conservative Nuthouse website and in all honesty listening to the tape it sounds like he was saying the officer was charging towards Mike Brown and Mike was standing still as he was getting shot. But whatever

It's everywhere. Try YouTube. The (background voice) guy explains, several times, what happened.

Honestly, the long version was difficult for me to watch. The Brown family arriving at the scene...brought me to tears. So very sad...heartbreaking.
 

Just saw MLK III on CNN, and he's saying that there needs to be a special prosecutor, since according to him, the county prosecutor, McCulloch has "already demonstrated bias".

The only thing I've found on McCulloch is that he strongly criticized Gov. Nixon for bringing in Capt Feelgood and the highway patrol in to take over security in Ferguson. I'm not seeing how that makes him biased, but maybe there's something else out there.

Sounds like it's Zimmerman all over again. Remember, they didn't want the local DA to prosecute the case and brought in a team from Jacksonville. IMO, they should allow the local DA to work the case. It's heavy handed to try to usurp McCulloch unless bias can be proven.

I think that is fair actually.

I think bypassing local to ensure impartiality is a fair request given the situation.

What is the prosecutor's record with properly pursuing conviction, when warranted, or police officers charged with crimes? (Wondering if there is a history of not being impartial.)

That would have to be proven.

IMO, the local legal jurisdiction should be in charge. When others step in to take over, what does that say to the community? It says they can't trust the local court system to be fair. McCulloch is the DA who prosecutes. He does not pass judgement. Also, a Grand Jury will decide if Wilson will be tried, not McCulloch.
 
Some more info on St. Louis county prosecutor McCulloch:

In 2001, two undercover drug officers from Dellwood shot and killed two men on the parking lot of a Jack in the Box in north St. Louis County. The officers said the suspects, who had prior felony convictions for drug and assault offenses, tried to escape arrest and then drove toward the officers.

A subsequent federal investigation showed that the men were unarmed and that their car had not moved forward when the officers fired 21 shots and killed the suspects, Earl Murray and Ronald Beasley. The probe, however, also concluded that because the officers feared for their safety, the shootings were justified.

McCulloch didn’t prosecute the officers. He specifically drew the ire of defense lawyers and protesters, who had been holding demonstrations and threatened to block Highway 40,when he said of Murray and Beasley, “These guys were bums.”

After being criticized, McCulloch refused to back down, saying, “The print media and self-anointed activists have been portraying the two gentlemen as folk heroes and have been vilifying the police. I think it is important for the public to know that these two and others like them for years have spread destruction in the community dealing crack cocaine and heroin.”

Note that a federal investigation concluded that the shooting was justified.

From the same article, a not-even-thinly-veiled threat from, of all people, a Missouri State Senator, Jamilah Nasheed.

Nasheed pointed to the Jack in the Box case in her letter: “Critically important, you must consider the potential consequences if you choose to not seek a special prosecutor. If you should decide to not indict this police officer, the rioting we witnessed this past week will seem like a picnic compared to the havoc that will likely occur, because the black community will never accept that there was an impartial investigation from your office.”

So, McCulloch's decision that the shooting was justified was confirmed by federal investigators, but because it didn't turn out the way the community thought it should, McCulloch was still in the wrong.

"Give us what we want or we'll riot worse than before" seems to be the message here.

Yet another person that has no interest in finding out what really happened.
 
Sounds like it's Zimmerman all over again. Remember, they didn't want the local DA to prosecute the case and brought in a team from Jacksonville. IMO, they should allow the local DA to work the case. It's heavy handed to try to usurp McCulloch unless bias can be proven.



That would have to be proven.

IMO, the local legal jurisdiction should be in charge. When others step in to take over, what does that say to the community? It says they can't trust the local court system to be fair. McCulloch is the DA who prosecutes. He does not pass judgement. Also, a Grand Jury will decide if Wilson will be tried, not McCulloch.

Good to know.
 
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Now it looks like there will be THREE autopsies.

The local one.

A federal one.

An independent one.

What a cluster.
 
Only if they come up with 3 completely different manners of death.

I think the potential is for two different, at most.

Local will have one (may or may not support justified shooting)

Federal will have one (will almost assuredly support murder)

Independent will have one (may or may not support justified shooting - Baden is good, so I expect complete impartiality from him)
 
Sounds like it's Zimmerman all over again. Remember, they didn't want the local DA to prosecute the case and brought in a team from Jacksonville. IMO, they should allow the local DA to work the case. It's heavy handed to try to usurp McCulloch unless bias can be proven.



That would have to be proven.

IMO, the local legal jurisdiction should be in charge. When others step in to take over, what does that say to the community? It says they can't trust the local court system to be fair. McCulloch is the DA who prosecutes. He does not pass judgement. Also, a Grand Jury will decide if Wilson will be tried, not McCulloch.


A DA does much more than prosecute. The DA decides whether or not to prosecute. A marginally competent prosecutor can get a grand jury to bind anyone over for prosecution. Getting a conviction is another story.

The local community knows that the DA has to play ball with the cops. In a large number of localities the DA has his/her name, and reelection, made or unmade by good relations with LEOs. When the cops turn out to be crooked, the DA often goes too.

An independent "special" prosecutor backing a local DA is a good thing for the local DA.
 
A DA does much more than prosecute. The DA decides whether or not to prosecute. A marginally competent prosecutor can get a grand jury to bind anyone over for prosecution. Getting a conviction is another story.

The local community knows that the DA has to play ball with the cops. In a large number of localities the DA has his/her name, and reelection, made or unmade by good relations with LEOs. When the cops turn out to be crooked, the DA often goes too.

An independent "special" prosecutor backing a local DA is a good thing for the local DA.

Who appoints the special prosecutor?
 
A DA does much more than prosecute. The DA decides whether or not to prosecute. A marginally competent prosecutor can get a grand jury to bind anyone over for prosecution. Getting a conviction is another story.

The local community knows that the DA has to play ball with the cops. In a large number of localities the DA has his/her name, and reelection, made or unmade by good relations with LEOs. When the cops turn out to be crooked, the DA often goes too.

An independent "special" prosecutor backing a local DA is a good thing for the local DA.

Maybe special prosecutors should be in charge of all cases because DAs everywhere have to work with the cops. In Zimmerman, the special prosecutor did not back the Sanford DA. The local DA felt like the case was not strong enough for conviction and turned out he was right.
 
I can only find the original "story" on the Conservative Nuthouse website and in all honesty listening to the tape it sounds like he was saying the officer was charging towards Mike Brown and Mike was standing still as he was getting shot. But whatever

Wow, I never heard of "Conservative Nuthouse". Do you have a link? Or is your political agenda showing once again.?
 
Sounds like it's Zimmerman all over again. Remember, they didn't want the local DA to prosecute the case and brought in a team from Jacksonville. IMO, they should allow the local DA to work the case. It's heavy handed to try to usurp McCulloch unless bias can be proven.



That would have to be proven.

IMO, the local legal jurisdiction should be in charge. When others step in to take over, what does that say to the community? It says they can't trust the local court system to be fair. McCulloch is the DA who prosecutes. He does not pass judgement. Also, a Grand Jury will decide if Wilson will be tried, not McCulloch.

Maybe special prosecutors should be in charge of all cases because DAs everywhere have to work with the cops. In Zimmerman, the special prosecutor did not back the Sanford DA. The local DA felt like the case was not strong enough for conviction and turned out he was right.

Really? There are relatively few controversial cases where the DA has a conflict or appearance of a conflict and warrant extraordinary treatment.
 
Really? There are relatively few controversial cases where the DA has a conflict or appearance of a conflict and warrant extraordinary treatment.

If you have an opinion, what do you believe is the conflict, or appearance of conflict, in this case?
 
Really? There are relatively few controversial cases where the DA has a conflict or appearance of a conflict and warrant extraordinary treatment.

I was answering this from you:
A DA does much more than prosecute. The DA decides whether or not to prosecute. A marginally competent prosecutor can get a grand jury to bind anyone over for prosecution. Getting a conviction is another story.

The local community knows that the DA has to play ball with the cops. In a large number of localities the DA has his/her name, and reelection, made or unmade by good relations with LEOs. When the cops turn out to be crooked, the DA often goes too.

An independent "special" prosecutor backing a local DA is a good thing for the local DA.

My meaning was that DAs have to work with the police and all local communities know this. Using your logic, this means that special prosecutors that don't "play ball" with the police should try cases if there is a controversy. I disagree. Communities have to trust their local legal systems unless bias is proven.
 
The only thing I've seen regarding McCulloch that some might view as a problem is that he wouldn't kiss Governor Nixon's rear end regarding bringing in Capt Feelgood and the highway patrol for security. He claims the governor had no legal authority to do so, which I'm sure didn't sit well with some.
 
He inserts himself into a current event. He gets mentioned. It is not rocket science.:confused:
I read somewhere that he was asked to come to Ferguson by members of the the community.

In any case, neither Al Sharpton nor Jessee Jackson can do right in some people's minds. Either they are too involved or not involved enough. They are darned of they do and darned if they don't. It also seems to be that their mere names carry deep negative meanings for some folks, like a dog whistle that the rest of us can't hear.
 












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