How does Southwest Airlines boarding work?

I would much rather pay the money for EBCI. You say $40??? How are you going to do that?? How old are the kids that are traveling??? If any are under 4, they can be boarded in between the A and B groups, with an adult. But, I'm not sure how you would get away with paying just $40 for 8 people.

I read it as $40 for the poster's own family of 4. They are traveling with another family. It is the other family that doesn't want to be split up (apparently they will not be OK with one parent/one child, they want all 4 together in the same row it looks like. Although the rows are 3 across so one family member will have to be across the aisle, in front or behind.

This is pretty easy to do if you get an A or early B boarding pass and head for the rear of the plane.
 
I thought so - I recall getting my BP's at the resort in the past - and I know I have never had anyone at the front desk do it - so it had to be RAC. In fact, I KNOW that RAC did it for us when we were at CBR in 2009...

It's a little more recent for SWA, which didn't participate in RAC at all WDW resorts until sometime last year. Before that you had to get the BPs printed out at the front desk, at guest relations or at the airport.
 
There are 8 of us flying, but only 4 (including me) that I am responsible $$ wise for (me, DH, our 2 boys). We are going with my BFF and her family. I thought I read it was $10/person for EBCI...so $40 for us 4.

Thanks for all the info, all.
Ah, that makes sense. Sorry for misunderstanding.

I thought so - I recall getting my BP's at the resort in the past - and I know I have never had anyone at the front desk do it - so it had to be RAC. In fact, I KNOW that RAC did it for us when we were at CBR in 2009...

If you wait to have RAC actually check you in, you will be about 12 hrs, at best, behind everyone else. When I fly SW, I always check myself in, or use EBCI. I don't wait until I get to RAC to do it. Now...with that in mind...SW has been participating in RAC for only a short time now...maybe 18 months or so? So, you may have been flying another airline back in '09 to use RAC. Just a thought. Oh, and we have never had our boarding passes printed for us without our asking for them...they have never just been left in our room or hanging on our door. IF that had happened, I would have been very nervous about it.
 
Going to pull the trigger today on the SWA flights.

Couple quick questions:

So, if I do EBCI, I don't have to scramble for internet access at 24 hours out, right? WHen I go to do RAC, I will already be checked in, correct, and they will just print my boarding pass for me?

Second, I have a 50 minute layover in St. Louis. How is that airport for that short of a layover? Is that enough time? We are flying in winter which makes me a little nervous - weather and all. St. Louis good at having de-icing equipment there and useable?

Thanks again!
 

Second, I have a 50 minute layover in St. Louis. How is that airport for that short of a layover? Is that enough time? We are flying in winter which makes me a little nervous - weather and all. !
The 50 minutes is normally enough. But do be aware that on average one out of every four flights arrives more than 15 minutes late.

And the early bird check in, although it may give you a better boarding slot, may not be useful if you actually get to the gate after many folks with later boarding slots have already passed through the door to the jetway (gangplank).
 
Roughly you board in order of check in. You choose any seat that is empty. At check in you are given a boarding number A1 through A60 then B1 through B60 then C1 through whatever fills up the seats.

If you signed up for early bird check in you are automatically checked in before those who check in manually starting at 24 hours before flight time. This improves your chances of getting one of the A boarding spots. If you are not using a computer with a printer when you check in manually, you can have your boarding pass printed out at the aiport and your boarding spot was already assigned at the time of automatic (early bird) check in or manual (over the phone, etc.) check in earlier.

At the airport you line up in order of the numbe (1-60) r, the A group first, then the B group, etc.

Some idiosyncrasies: The spots A1 through A15 are assigned separately to certain passengers who paid a little more for their tickets (Business select). If no one was in that category then the first boarding spot would be A16. Some parents with small children are allowed to board out of turn between A60 and B1 if their boarding spots would come after that. SOme passengers with special needs board before anyone in the A group.

That might be the d@mn craziest thing I've ever heard. What the heck is SW doing?? Maybe I'm missing something, but how is this any better than assigning seats?
 
If it is cheaper for their customers, then it might make sense. But even still, is it assigned seats followed by open seating? I have never used SW (not even sure they are here in NYC). If the entire plane is a free-for-all, then that is just insane.
 
If it is cheaper for their customers, then it might make sense. But even still, is it assigned seats followed by open seating? I have never used SW (not even sure they are here in NYC). If the entire plane is a free-for-all, then that is just insane.

SWA is all open seating and it's a very orderly process. Passengers are assigned a letter group (A, B or C) and a number within that group (1-60), then they line up by number within each group. A1 boards first, followed by the rest of the A group. Family boarding for those with kids under five usually follows the A group, then the B and C groups board in order. You are free to select any available seat once you board the plane.

It requires much less ongoing management by the airline, reducing administrative cost, and SWA also is able to board faster, reducing turn times and operational costs.

The "insanity" has been working pretty well for many years. It's been a key element in a strategy that has seen SWA become the nation's largest domestic carrier and one of the only consistently profitable (on an annual basis) airlines.
 
SWA is all open seating and it's a very orderly process. Passengers are assigned a letter group (A, B or C) and a number within that group (1-60), then they line up by number within each group. A1 boards first, followed by the rest of the A group. Family boarding for those with kids under five usually follows the A group, then the B and C groups board in order. You are free to select any available seat once you board the plane.

It requires much less ongoing management by the airline, reducing administrative cost, and SWA also is able to board faster, reducing turn times and operational costs.

The "insanity" has been working pretty well for many years. It's been a key element in a strategy that has seen SWA become the nation's largest domestic carrier and one of the only consistently profitable (on an annual basis) airlines.

Very well said!!!
 
Well, we are booked! Hope all turns out well. The family that I am traveling with is a little..uptight...and they don't travel regularly...so I am hoping all goes smoothly!

84 days until WDW here we come!
 
That might be the d@mn craziest thing I've ever heard. What the heck is SW doing?? Maybe I'm missing something, but how is this any better than assigning seats?

If it is cheaper for their customers, then it might make sense. But even still, is it assigned seats followed by open seating? I have never used SW (not even sure they are here in NYC). If the entire plane is a free-for-all, then that is just insane.

Actually, the SW system works very well. It used to be nuts, but they have changed it to the way it is now. I actually prefer the SW system. They turn their planes around much faster than other airlines. You don't have a ton of people hanging right at the entry to the jetway, just waiting to run as soon, or earlier, as their 'group' is called.

There are no assigned seats..period...on SW. You board in the order of your printed out boarding pass. It is quick and easy. If you choose not to do EBCI or if you forget about checking in at the 24 hr window, then you are going to be lined up towards the end of the group.
Not to mention that seat assignements are never etched in stone. I have had my seats changed many, many times...even if I had paid extra to get a specific seat. With SW that never happens.

Generally speaking, when flying SW, you will find that passengers, for some reason, seem to take a lot less time getting settled in their seats. I'm not sure why that it, but it is. You don't stand there, waiting for those in front of you trying to get settled. That drives me nuts. Just had that situation a few weeks ago.
 
Actually, the SW system works very well. It used to be nuts, but they have changed it to the way it is now.

What did they change it from?


You don't have a ton of people hanging right at the entry to the jetway, just waiting to run as soon, or earlier, as their 'group' is called.
Well, no, instead you have them all lined up next to the numbers trying to squeeze in around each other. Neither method really gets your boarding pass scanned faster than the other, as both eventually have backups down the jetway. Zoned boarding usually works pretty well to spread people out as they settle in to their seats, just as open seating does as people will tend to spread themselves out to grab real estate.

Not to mention that seat assignements are never etched in stone.
Which airline? The one time I ever paid for a seat assignment and they had to change me (to accommodate a family that was split up) they simply moved the two of us to similar seats closer to the front. This never happens on SW because they never try to accommodate anyone... it's every man for himself.
Generally speaking, when flying SW, you will find that passengers, for some reason, seem to take a lot less time getting settled in their seats. I'm not sure why that it, but it is. You don't stand there, waiting for those in front of you trying to get settled. That drives me nuts. Just had that situation a few weeks ago.
On SW that only happens near the end of the boarding process as the poor suckers look for a seat, or group of seats, when the FA's tells them to just sit between two strangers. I think people sit down quickly when there are lots of seats available because many will tend to just go to an open area to avoid making someone else wait, but once people get all the way to the back, and nothing but middle seats are available all though the plane, then it becomes a much slower process as people now don't even know where they can go, and must scan the entire plane, sometimes going up and down the isle, since they don't have an assigned seat they can just go to and sit in. The same thing happens in theaters, lecture halls, etc.

Also, depending on how many through passengers there are, and how many special needs and families there are, A16 could really mean A35 or higher. I've been at A2 and boarded in a connecting city and got on to find a bunch of people already on board, some taking the best seats on the exit.

Here's a question: If you pay for EBCI, but your flight coming in to the connecting city is late, and they are about to board your next flight, but you are still taxi-ing in, will they hold up the entire boarding process just because you are supposed to be standing at position A1 or A17, etc, or did you lose 10 bucks (or worse if you paid for business) and get a middle seat once you get off your plane and get to the next plane already boarding?
 
If it is cheaper for their customers, then it might make sense. But even still, is it assigned seats followed by open seating? I have never used SW (not even sure they are here in NYC). If the entire plane is a free-for-all, then that is just insane.
No. Ths spots for the queue in the gate waiting area before the door to the jetway are assigned by the number on your boarding pass. None of the seats in the airplane are pre-assigned to boarding pass holders A1 through A15 or to anyone else.
What did they change it from?
At first Southwest issued boarding passes with letters (A, B, C) and no numbers. Then people with the A passes would camp out on the carpet next to the door to the jetway, sometimes an hour in advance, in order to get on first.
Here's a question: If you pay for EBCI, but your flight coming in to the connecting city is late, and they are about to board your next flight, but you are still taxi-ing in, will they hold up the entire boarding process just because you are supposed to be standing at position A1 or A17, etc, or did you lose 10 bucks (or worse if you paid for business) and get a middle seat once you get off your plane and get to the next plane already boarding?
You're out of luck. The boarding process does not wait for you. You can go to the head of the line if your boarding pass would let you board ahead of anyone still in the queue, but those who have already moved on into the jetway will remain ahead of you.
... but once people get all the way to the back, and nothing but middle seats are available all though the plane, then it becomes a much slower process as people now don't even know where they can go, and must scan the entire plane, sometimes going up and down the isle, since they don't have an assigned seat ...
They can certainly sit quickly in the nearest unoccupied (middle) seat. The slowdown happens because they want to work their way forward to achieve at least one wish: a non-middle seat, or a non-rear seat.
 
You're out of luck. The boarding process does not wait for you. You can go to the head of the line if your boarding pass would let you board ahead of anyone still in the queue, but those who have already moved on into the jetway will remain ahead of you.
Yep, that's what I thought. Another reason I think SW boarding, and then offering EBCI as a way to get around its risks, is ill-conceived.

They can certainly sit quickly in the nearest unoccupied (middle) seat. The slowdown happens because they want to work their way forward to achieve at least one wish: a non-middle seat, or a non-rear seat.
Yes, of course they do, and that's the less complicated scenario; the single rider. You can't give that excuse to the party riding together....their only goal is to sit anywhere near each other, regardless of comfort or middle seat. They will search the plane for this solution, then when they realize they've been caught in the SW trap, they switch to mode 2: looking for any seat. SW creates this scenario on every single plane. They've saved no time, just created awkward situations and stress. I'll never understand why such a great airline has this one massive defect.
 
Generally speaking, when flying SW, you will find that passengers, for some reason, seem to take a lot less time getting settled in their seats. I'm not sure why that it, but it is. You don't stand there, waiting for those in front of you trying to get settled. That drives me nuts. Just had that situation a few weeks ago.
Amen to that one. It seems that people are genuinely oblivious (or just way too inconsiderate) to others around them, taking way too much time to figure out how to put their stuff in the overhead, then move their seatbelt, talking with their kid or a family member behind them, all the while the flight crew is making PA announcements about getting settled and getting the heck *$^#*@ out of the aisle. :confused3:headache:
 
What did they change it from?



Well, no, instead you have them all lined up next to the numbers trying to squeeze in around each other. Neither method really gets your boarding pass scanned faster than the other, as both eventually have backups down the jetway. Zoned boarding usually works pretty well to spread people out as they settle in to their seats, just as open seating does as people will tend to spread themselves out to grab real estate.

Which airline? The one time I ever paid for a seat assignment and they had to change me (to accommodate a family that was split up) they simply moved the two of us to similar seats closer to the front. This never happens on SW because they never try to accommodate anyone... it's every man for himself.
On SW that only happens near the end of the boarding process as the poor suckers look for a seat, or group of seats, when the FA's tells them to just sit between two strangers. I think people sit down quickly when there are lots of seats available because many will tend to just go to an open area to avoid making someone else wait, but once people get all the way to the back, and nothing but middle seats are available all though the plane, then it becomes a much slower process as people now don't even know where they can go, and must scan the entire plane, sometimes going up and down the isle, since they don't have an assigned seat they can just go to and sit in. The same thing happens in theaters, lecture halls, etc.

Also, depending on how many through passengers there are, and how many special needs and families there are, A16 could really mean A35 or higher. I've been at A2 and boarded in a connecting city and got on to find a bunch of people already on board, some taking the best seats on the exit.

Here's a question: If you pay for EBCI, but your flight coming in to the connecting city is late, and they are about to board your next flight, but you are still taxi-ing in, will they hold up the entire boarding process just because you are supposed to be standing at position A1 or A17, etc, or did you lose 10 bucks (or worse if you paid for business) and get a middle seat once you get off your plane and get to the next plane already boarding?

What did they change it from??? Well, before the current system, it was a true cattle call. You checked in, and got a boarding group..but it was only A, B or C. So, when you got to the gate, you went to the 'chute' that was your letter. And it was first come, first served. So, if you wanted a chance at the seats you preferred, you had to be there at least two hours prior to departure. And then you had to remain in your 'slot'....if you left, you lost your place in line....you stood there unless you were lucky enough to be one of the first 6 or 7 and got to lean against a wall area. It was a true cattle call.
I have never seen people squeezin in to fill their number spots..it works very nicely. It is so much better, in my very humble opinion, then standing there, politely waiting for your zone or row number to be called, all the while watching other, less polite people, scoot in before their row/zone was called. I watch it happen every single time I fly. How do I know?? Just by listening...I hear...'Yeah, row 18 is close enough to 10, let's go.'...for example.

And what airline changes seats??? Almost every single one. Every time I have flown with Delta, I have had seats changed due to changes in flights...either schedule or equipment changes. Same thing with JB, although not nearly as frequent. It has happened on AirTran and DirectAir (most recently).

And A16 means A16. There are always going to be those who are medical preboards or minors flying solo. But, it's never a huge number. All the times I've flown SW, I've never seen more than 6 or 7 medical preboards for one flight, and I've never seen A1-15 taken up completetly. At most, it's 4 or 5 passengers. Families do not board at the beginning anymore. That changed at the same time the current system came into being. There always seemed to be an excessive number of families flying to MCO, and of course they had to board with the entire family of 10...so, yeah, that pushed everyone else back. But now, those families board inbetween the A and the B groups...so they impact the B group, not the A group.

I have seen people asked to move by flight attendents many times on SW. I watched one woman walk around the gate area for 90 mins, with her son. This was prior to the current boarding process. We all boarded, and as the doors were being readied for closure, that woman came running onto the plane with her son..he was about 4 or 5. The FAs then asked for someone to give up their seats so the woman could be seated with her ds. No one moved. The FA finally said that the plane wouldn't move from the gate until that mother and child were seated beside each other. So....a couple gave up their seats (that they had stood in line for for over an hour..they were a few people behind me) and they were split up, seated rows apart from each other. So, that mother and child did whatever they wanted to and still got to sit together. I've seen FAs ask for people to give up their seats many times...it is not uncommon.

As far as connecting flights, yeah, it's an issue. I know that I've taken only one connecting flight with SW and it worked out fine as far as boading went. But, I don't make flights that have too short a time between flights.

Is it a perfect system? No, it's not. But, it isn't the devil incarnate as some would have us believe. It is a very easy system to use. You stand in that line for about 10 mins, tops. And if you are in the B or C group, you remain seated until the previous group is boarded...no need to stand around, waiting.

Not to mention that SW seldom changes a flight once they put it out there. Yes, if there were to be an issue with the equipment or such, then there would be a change, but with SW, you don't have to continually be checking to see if your flight is still valid.
 
I was unsure of Southwest and the boarding till I tried it. Once you try it you will like it. As others have said, the whole boarding process to me goes so much faster then on other airlines. With free baggage check most people check their bags, so they are not taking all the time trying to find a place on the plane for the 2 or 3 bags they bring, they just pick a seat and get out of the way for the next passenger.
 
There are 8 of us flying, but only 4 (including me) that I am responsible $$ wise for (me, DH, our 2 boys). We are going with my BFF and her family. I thought I read it was $10/person for EBCI...so $40 for us 4.

Thanks for all the info, all.

This was probably covered later in the thread (only read to this post) but EBCI is $10 per way. So it's $20 per person, per round trip.

I've never been able to choose EBCI just one way, like some others have claimed. My only option has been doing it for the entire round trip and I'm fine with that.
 
I was unsure of Southwest and the boarding till I tried it. Once you try it you will like it. As others have said, the whole boarding process to me goes so much faster then on other airlines. With free baggage check most people check their bags, so they are not taking all the time trying to find a place on the plane for the 2 or 3 bags they bring, they just pick a seat and get out of the way for the next passenger.
Absolutely agree. I forgot to mention that. With the ability to check two bags, free, there just doesn't ever seem to be nearly as much carryon stuff when flying SW. A huge plus for me.

As far as paying for EBCI for both ways...I usually book my two flighs apart. That way, if something has to change, I'm only dealing with one segment. Also makes it easier to pay for just one way.
 












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