How does Poly2 affect other resort point allocations?

[grease1739]

I don’t own DVC but I’m curious how introducing a new resort impacts point distribution across other resorts? For example, with Poly2 coming up, could that possibly decrease points needed to book at other resorts?

I thought Disney had a maximum number of points for sale and that’s how point totals per resort can’t go up at one resort without going down at other resort? What happens when a whole new flood of points and DVC rooms become available at new resorts? That obviously means more competition for rooms at existing resorts as new members come on board.

Can someone explain this dynamic?

Thank you.

 

[_auroraborealis_]

Points are by resort. Poly2 has no impact on points at other resorts.

 

[grease1739]

Points are by resort. Poly2 has no impact on points at other resorts.

So each resort has its own point allotment? I thought if points went up at one resort they would go down somewhere else at another resort? Is my thinking wrong?

If so why does everyone get so interested in new point charts? Is it just to see how point totals change per season within their resorts?

 

[Dis Dragon]

Correct, each property has it's own point allotment. There is not an over arching point cap.

The point charts tells you how much your vacation has just went up in price for the next year... most people go for the same time - they mess with dates and point values on the charts.

 

[_auroraborealis_]

Points move within a resort, not across resorts. So Poly2 points have no impacts on SSR allotments.

 

[Cfabar1]

Though, I suppose the more owners there are, the harder it is for you to get your resort of choice at 7 months if it is not your home resort, right?

 

[crvetter]

Though, I suppose the more owners there are, the harder it is for you to get your resort of choice at 7 months if it is not your home resort, right?

correct but I’d say some of the recent add ones have been in locations that many would like. So I don’t think Poly2 or VGF2 or VDH or Riv (controversial to a lot but bookings seem to fill it up) are really going to stress the 7 month window.

 

[MyDogTink]

correct but I’d say some of the recent add ones have been in locations that many would like. So I don’t think Poly2 or VGF2 or VDH or Riv (controversial to a lot but bookings seem to fill it up) are really going to stress the 7 month window.

is that because people are adverse to booking at these resorts because of their high points?

 

[sndral]

When a DVC resort is created there are Xmillion points sold for that resort. The number of points required to book every villa for a year must equal that Xmillion point number. DVC can rearrange those points by making one season more expensive but then they must make another season less expensive so it still equals Xmillion for the year.
Occasionally rather than creating a new DVC resort they’ll add to an existing DVC resort. This happened when they added the tree house villas at SSR & last year when they converted Big Pine Key to DVC & added those new villas to the existing VGF DVC. When that happens the original Xmillion point total gets bigger - it becomes Xmillion+Xmillion new points. Theoretically if the new resort studios in the addition at the VGF aren’t popular DVC could reduce the points required for them & increase the points required to stay in the original building.
We don’t know whether Poly2 will be its own DVC or if it will be an add on to Poly1 like they did w/ the VGF1 & 2. If Poly2 is an add on, then it could affect the point cost to stay at Poly1. But it would not affect the point cost to stay at any other DVC resort.

 

[crvetter]

is that because people are adverse to booking at these resorts because of their high points?

My point was that people would be wanting to trade into these locations at an equal (or even greater rate) than those wanting to trade out at 7 months. So they are beneficial to DVC for trading out of your resort gives you more options.

 

[CarolMN]

Historically, and generally, more people seem to prefer staying at near-park resorts (VGF, Poly, BLT, BWV, BCV) than at the resorts not park-adjacent. The near-park resorts fill quickly when the 7 month window opens. It seems to be getting more difficult to stay at the near-park resorts if you have to book at 7 months. People buying those resorts now are doing so to take advantage of the 11 month window and thus the "supply" of villas available at 7 months decreases.

Poly2 will add points to the system, but since it is "near-park", it will probably not add much to the pool of points chasing the other near-park resorts at 7 months.

 

[Yankee626]

The only thing that will make it tougher at some resorts to book at 7 Months is when you build a resort like SSR that nobody wants to stay at with 13 million points . Now most of those 13 million points are looking for a home at the 7 month mark. Probably as well as OKW and Vero beach.

 

[MyDogTink]

All very helpful responses. Thank you.

I didn’t realize that the existing point charts could be adjusted when rooms are added to a current association. I know that points are adjusted seasonally but didn’t realize that if a studio was originally Xpoints it could be changed to X+2points if DVC added rooms and adjusted for booking behavior.

And about the 7 month window, I thought members with SAP at resorts not near parks would swoop in at 7 months and book other resorts. I have BWV and booked at 11 months but told CM that I was hoping to get BLT at 7 months. She said I had a good chance right at 7 month window commencing because lots of members adjust their 11 month booking for resorts requiring less points. I was surprised at that.

I’ve been away from DVC for a while and trying to take a crash course upon my return.

 

[Sandisw]

All very helpful responses. Thank you.

I didn’t realize that the existing point charts could be adjusted when rooms are added to a current association. I know that points are adjusted seasonally but didn’t realize that if a studio was originally Xpoints it could be changed to X+2points if DVC added rooms and adjusted for booking behavior.

And about the 7 month window, I thought members with SAP at resorts not near parks would swoop in at 7 months and book other resorts. I have BWV and booked at 11 months but told CM that I was hoping to get BLT at 7 months. She said I had a good chance right at 7 month window commencing because lots of members adjust their 11 month booking for resorts requiring less points. I was surprised at that.

I’ve been away from DVC for a while and trying to take a crash course upon my return.

Many owners change resorts at 7 months, especially to the near park ones. There are two schools of thoughts on new rooms added and whether the entire resort can be rebalanced.

Some think it can, and others think it can’t because these are new units and units need to stay balanced. I can’t seem to find anything that sways me one way or the other but we know DVC has done it when the reallocated at SSR when treehouses were added for the same as 2 bedrooms and are now more points.

if Poly tower is a new association, it won’t impact PVB at all.

 

[RoseGold]

Assuming Poly2 enters as RIV did, which we do not know yet, it would enter the DVC pool. So, RIV (direct) owners can book at the original DVC, which we call O14. But, O14 resale cannot book at RIV.

Over time, DVC has put more and more and more points into the system. These properties are less desirable than, say, Beach Club. Over time, this will increase pressure on the most desirable properties, as you can see now.

But BC has 3M points, period. It isn't like adding 11.5M Aulani points changes that BC is 3M. Aulani's points don't change BC's declarations.

 

[Cfabar1]

Many owners change resorts at 7 months, especially to the near park ones. There are two schools of thoughts on new rooms added and whether the entire resort can be rebalanced.

Some think it can, and others think it can’t because these are new units and units need to stay balanced. I can’t seem to find anything that sways me one way or the other but we know DVC has done it when the reallocated at SSR when treehouses were added for the same as 2 bedrooms and are now more points.

if Poly tower is a new association, it won’t impact PVB at all.

My concern more has to do with the imbalance of rooms and points at VGF. I suspect the high points chart may help limit the impact, but I wonder how many people are buying VGF points for the 1 BR or 2 BR units and are going to struggle when there are only studios due to the imbalance. But maybe it was under balanced with studios before.

 

[Sandisw]

My concern more has to do with the imbalance of rooms and points at VGF. I suspect the high points chart may help limit the impact, but I wonder how many people are buying VGF points for the 1 BR or 2 BR units and are going to struggle when there are only studios due to the imbalance. But maybe it was under balanced with studios before.

I think therre could eventually be more difficulty for the larger rooms, but not necessarily at 11 months..but maybe at 7 to 9 months.

We bought 300 points there and have no intention to use studios. We bought ti gain 11 month window for 1 or 2 bedrooms so we didn’t have to wait until 7 months.

We had been successful most of the time with our SSR points, but definitely didn’t want to chance it anymore.