HOw cruel can you get

[PaulaSB12]

There was an article in one of the uk papers because Tom Cruise (idiot) has just had a daughter. Here are the rules on babies and children from the moron scientologists.

1 mother and baby are not allowed to be together for 7 days to prevent bonding!!!!!!! Why on earth you look at any animal on the planet that is near to us and the baby clings to mum like death
2 baby must not be washed for 24 hours, daft
3 for the first day nothing but barley water to be fed to the baby, what about that nutritious stuff that is provided by the mother, oops I forgot mother and baby not allowed.
4 babies have the spirit of an imortal being in them so they can handle pain so a baby who cries must be ignored.
5 children only get ill because they want to so if a child says they are ill just poke them on the offending part until they say they are better, sooner or later there will be a dead child with this one.
5 when you are 5 you start going to be auditing, not going to school just learn to be brainwashed
6 when you grow up if you don't agree with all that you are shunned. this is just a cult plain and simple and quite franckly anyone who even tries this should have the children removed its child abuse.


What is up with people when you are little you look to your parents to protect you, how are you going to trust anyone if you can't trust your own parents.

 

[Grumpy's Wife]

 

[Daxx]

I do not understand this whole Scientology thing from the get-go.

First off, when Tom Cruise was interviewed by Diane Sawyer, she asked him if there were hymns or church services and he really just shook his head no but that they have a naming ceremony and some other things. Then she asked him if there would be a Catholic baptism (b/c Katie is Catholic) and he said "Look, you can be Catholic and Scientologist or Jewish and Scientologist ... we're just Scientologists." Then, he went on to say that Scientology is a set of tools for better living (or something to that effect)." So, what is it ... a religion or tools for better living?!!? I just do not get it!!! They claim themselves a church but how can you be Catholic or Jewish and practice another religion w/totally different beliefs?! I just do not get it! I know I can't be Catholic and Athiest or Catholic and Jewish ... aren't you one or the other!?

So ... is this a religion? Or is it a set of "tools for better living" ... how can you be of one religion and practice this as well?!?

Anyhow, I bet Tommy and Katie are in trouble and will have to undergo more auditing (at heaven only knows how much $$) b/c she had an epidural!!!!

BTW -- in doing some reading on Scientology, I found out that if your spouse isn't into the Scientology thing, you are requested to either leave Scientology or leave your spouse. My guess is that Nicole wasn't buying into the Scientology and he decided (or was pressured) to leave ... and decided to do it right before their 10th anniv., b/c had he passed the anniversary mark, she would've had a larger payment per her prenup!

Oh, yeah ... adding that if she doesn't get to see that baby for 7 days, then that's gonna push her right into some severe PPD!! And, Katie honey, those Scientologists aren't going to do a thing for you b/c they think it's all in your head. More auditing, I suppose!

 

[TheOtherVillainess]

1 mother and baby are not allowed to be together for 7 days to prevent bonding!!!!!!! Why on earth you look at any animal on the planet that is near to us and the baby clings to mum like death
2 baby must not be washed for 24 hours, daft
3 for the first day nothing but barley water to be fed to the baby, what about that nutritious stuff that is provided by the mother, oops I forgot mother and baby not allowed.
4 babies have the spirit of an imortal being in them so they can handle pain so a baby who cries must be ignored.
5 children only get ill because they want to so if a child says they are ill just poke them on the offending part until they say they are better, sooner or later there will be a dead child with this one.
5 when you are 5 you start going to be auditing, not going to school just learn to be brainwashed
6 when you grow up if you don't agree with all that you are shunned. this is just a cult plain and simple and quite franckly anyone who even tries this should have the children removed its child abuse.

Ok..number one..WTheck? That is totally insane. WHy would you NOT want to bond with your baby?
#2--um...ok. I can see that, but only sort of. I know when DS was born, he didn't get a 'bath' until he was about a week old. They cleaned him off and 'washed' him with wipes at the hospital but we were told NO bathing until the cord had fallen off, which took around a week or so.
#3--IANApediatrician, but I don't think a newborn's stomach can handle something like barley water. You're probably just asking for trouble there.
#4--The CIO thing I can see up to a point. We let DS CIO, but we would try to figure out what was wrong first before just letting him CIO. And we would constantly try to comfort him while he was crying unless it was 'bedtime' (after about 6 mos of age or so, when he was sleeping through the night for the most part). Then we would go in about every 10 min or so to check on him, comfort and then walk away. He usually didn't cry for more than 15-20 min, though.
#5--Sounds just like my parents. Oh you feel sick? Here take a red pill (they were generic Sudafed). You'll feel better! Oh the red pill didn't work? Take an aspirin. You're not really sick. Y ou just THINK you are.

They are nuts...completely nuts. Wacko wacko wacko....

TOV

 

[magicmouse2]

That is the most outrageous thing ever. I cannot imagine Katie agreeing to leave her baby for 7 days. I did not sleep a wink for 48 hours solid after I gave birth to make sure my babies were ok. I am no way a scientologist but I did not scream during childbirth as I wanted my child to come into the world peacefully. And that Barley water thing! utter nonsense. The poor baby would be starving IMHO thats child abuse. The first colostrum is the most nutritious and strenghthens the babies immune system. They have already gone against the beliefs if she had an epidural so I cant imagine her sticking to the rest. Hopefully having his own biological child will knock some sense into TC, if instinct and parental responsibility kick in.

 

[Jessd]

I think he is whacked and she is just as whacked for going along with it. I can't imagine having them as parents, this poor girl will never be normal.

Are there any Scientologists on here? I would be interested in their views on this.

 

[pixiemomma]

I'm sure scientologists, just like Christians, Muslims and those of the Jewish faith, don't strictly adhere to every practice concerning childrearing/childbirth. I'm also sure that there is a ton of ignorant misinformation circulating.

 

[CathrynRose]

This borders on child abuse.

L Ron Hubbard was a nut, and IMO any "followers" of him are fools.

This is a "made up religion" and shouldnt be treated as one, in this country. It's not treated as one on half the world.

This is so terrible, so sad.

Because I dont wanna start some ridiculous debate (although Im sure one will start anyways) I have links, upon links, upon links of Scientology and their crimes, if anyone wants them. PM me.

And because of their status of being a religion, no one can touch them for fear of a lawsuit - among other things.

 

[CathrynRose]

The poster asking for Scientologist views on this - there wont be any. And 2nd hand accounts arent worth much either, considering anyone NOT a Scientologist is deemed a suppresive person. They'll never be 100% truthful if they think any one, on the outside, is "out to get them"

Let me post that quote again: A Reader's Digest article of May 1980 quoted Hubbard as saying in the 1940s "Writing for a penny a word is ridiculous. If a man really wants to make a million dollars, the best way would be to start his own religion"

So is Scientology giving people life skills, or getting rich? Hmmm... a religion started by a former Science Fiction writer, with quotes such as those? A religion that allows anyone with enough $$$ money to "cross the bridge" to be immortal? Anyone with half a brain can figure it out.


And there I went:

 

[pansmermaidzlagoon]

If true (aren't some of those UK papers the equivilent of the rags here? - I used to know someone who worked on one and she led me to believe they are more prevelant than "real" newspapers ???), then it is terrible.

Scientology is a dangerous CULT, not a religion IMHO. I know I have posted this before, but my DH had a friend/co-worker whose wife got caught up in Scientology through very deceptive means and included brain washing techniques - in the end she told her DH he either went with them (out of state to TX) or she would go without him and take their baby. True religions do not use the tactics that have been associated with Scientology - that is the definition of a cult IMHO.

 

[Becky2005]

This borders on child abuse.

L Ron Hubbard was a nut, and IMO any "followers" of him are fools.

This is a "made up religion" and shouldnt be treated as one, in this country. It's not treated as one on half the world.
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And because of their status of being a religion, no one can touch them for fear of a lawsuit - among other things.

You know, I said something briefly about this with DH and he told L. Ron Hubbard either said at one point - "Want to get rich in America? Make up a religion." and that is exactly what he did.

Now how much truth there is to that, I have no idea but from reading this stuff if you are required to keep shelling out more & more money for each level and then it's considered a religioin (i.e. tax benefits) - Hmmm....I could see where that statement could fit.

I did know of a boy who was a Scientologist growing up - or at least I *thought* he said he was - after reading other stuff I'm not so sure, considering he was in public school with us and he wore glasses (but I guess that is OK - just nothing you had to take internally was our understanding based on what he told us). He certainly was normal but maybe the family didn't practice it as in-depth.

Edited to add - Hmmm...I guess I should have read through the rest of the posts because the quote was in there. I didn't know where DH had read it or anything, just that he told me about the get rich, make up a religion information.

 

[ryka]

It's 7 days you aren't allowed to talk to the baby. They say the baby needs a week to adjust to being on the earth and talking to it will traumatize it. That's why they do a quiet birth too. I don't get it. I think the first week is an inportant time to bond with your child and I couldn't go without talking to my baby.

 

[Tracey1974]

I can't wait until they break up and she does a tell-all book! Of course I hope they don't ONLY for the baby's sake, but I can't wait to hear her side of the story!

 

[karensi]

I thought scientology was strange but really didn't know much about it.Now, if all this is true I think it is bizzare and I'm beginning to think Tom is really strange. Did anyone see him in that interview with Diane Sawyer? The way he was answering some of the questions was so wierd. Especially when Diane would ask him about how Katies parents, who are Catholic, feel about all this. It's gotten to be like a soap opera, keep on watching and see what other strange things will happen.

 

[aprilgail2]

It's 7 days you aren't allowed to talk to the baby. They say the baby needs a week to adjust to being on the earth and talking to it will traumatize it. .

On EARTH???? What did it just get delivered from Mars or something????
It is so bizzaar that Katie is even going along with that madness..I was reading the other day inthe paper how Tom was ordered by the Scientologist to turn over all notes and videos of the birth to prove it was a quiet one......

 

[Daxx]

Scientology is a dangerous CULT, not a religion IMHO. I know I have posted this before, but my DH had a friend/co-worker whose wife got caught up in Scientology through very deceptive means and included brain washing techniques - in the end she told her DH he either went with them (out of state to TX) or she would go without him and take their baby. True religions do not use the tactics that have been associated with Scientology - that is the definition of a cult IMHO.

Well, that's exactly it ... I can't recall any other religions that give you ultimatums (if your spouse won't go along w/it, you can either dump Scientology or dump your spouse). What religion demands a separation of the family w/non-believers? What other religion requires you to take courses that cost more (thousands of $$) w/every level you achieve? What religion hooks you up w/someone to "guide" you along all the time? And, what religion requires you to turn in every detail of your child's birth!? I read in People that Katie has a Scientologist assigned to her to help her learn their ways. Many religions do this!? They showed photos of her w/this woman who goes everywhere w/her and does everything w/her. You'd think it was a body guard, but she's just guiding Katie along. I think she's more like guarding her against outside influences.

I've posted this before, but my guess is that Nicole wouldn't go along w/the Scientology stuff, Tom got pressure from the Scientologists to dump her or convince her. He couldn't convince her so, conveniently before their 10th anniv., where she would have stood to get more from a prenup had they been married a full 10 yrs., he dumped her! Then, he found some young, innocent girl who he could "mold". In the Oprah couch jumping interview, when asked why he left Nicole, Tom stated "Nic knows why". Uh -- yeah, b/c you don't want to blame Scientology or put it in a bad light, right?! And, Nic told Oprah that she really didn't know why.

 

[Caradana]

I'm not going to defend scientology because I don't know all that much about it, but I do know that I have to dunk my Catholic baby in water and verbally give him to the Lord, and my Jewish friends have to ritualistically hock off part of their sons' southern regions. So let's just acknowledge ... common religions involve some pretty strange stuff too.

 

[cardaway]

Don't forget that many people also believe that bread and wine can turn into flesh and blood.

 

[Daxx]

I'm not going to defend scientology because I don't know all that much about it, but I do know that I have to dunk my Catholic baby in water and verbally give him to the Lord, and my Jewish friends have to ritualistically hock off part of their sons' southern regions. So let's just acknowledge ... common religions involve some pretty strange stuff too.

Yes, I agree that all religions have some pretty strange stuff ... but nowhere does the Catholic religion tell me that I must pay them money to go to the next level of education/enlightenment. I don't have to have my child baptised, and I will not be excommunicated from the church if I don't do this. My church doesn't expect me to choose between them or my husband should he not be a Catholic. Jewish friends have had their sons circumcised at the hospital and forgone the bris. Sure, it might disappoint parents, but their religion isn't going to drop kick them. And, I know Jewish people who eat ham and bacon! Shocking ... but I don't see their faith giving them the boot.

 

[cardaway]

Yes, I agree that all religions have some pretty strange stuff ... but nowhere does the Catholic religion tell me that I must pay them money to go to the next level of education/enlightenment.

But many Catholics have been told they have to give or leave (happened to family members). Obviously not leave the whole religion, but certainly leave that parish. I don't see tithe as that different than what Scientology is doing.