How can a resort be "over used"?

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Just curious - I've seen a lot of comments recently by people suggesting that a couple of DVC resorts are suffering from "over use", and these people seem to think that accounts for the perception of an increase of complaints about CMs, service, etc. at these results. BCV and OKW are the ones I've seen this about.

So this is my question - how can a resort be "over used"? I know that a certain % of rooms are usually kept off-line for renovation, etc., and I would think that the rest of the rooms are expected to be booked. DVC/Disney can see what the booking rate is, so one would assume they would staff accordingly. (I'm sure some people are saying that's a big assumption on my part.)

I'm not in the hotel business, so I don't know what the business model is for an expected ratio of filled rooms, etc.
 
Essentially, all of the sold out DVC resorts (OKW, BWV, VB, HH, VWL and BCV) should have 100% occupancy since all points have been accounted for at those resorts and annual fees will cover all operating expenses.

In reality, there are vacancies since many members use their points for the non-DVC options (Cruise Line, Concierge Collection, Disney Collection, Adventurer Collection) and some of those points go unused.

Still, occupancy at these resorts is very high year round. However, the comments you refer to should possibly be taken with a grain of salt since they generally represent personal opinion and may have some unreported bias to account for the unusual negative (or positive) nature of the comment.

The nature of the internet demands that there will likely be more negative comment about things than positive (it's usually more inviting to make a comment about something personally perceived to be negative and get a sympathetic response than to report the positive experience expected by everyone as a "normal" course of experience). Many won't even bother to post their positive experiences, since that's what we all expect.

I tend to accept the negative reports and temper them with my own experience and do the same with any positive reports. When pushed, most will admit that their positive experiences far outweigh any negatives.

As with any problem issues though, it's best to report them immediately and allow the resort an oppportunity to correct the situation and add some **Disney Magic** to the experience. Many seem to post problems- perceived or otherwise- after the fact and ask for suggestions about what to do days or weeks later.

Expect that everything will be as expected and inform/demand satisfaction immediately when it isn't. Disney has always done a great job of attending to guest concerns.

Enjoy!
 
Doc - I agree with everything that you say, which is why I was asking the question! It seemed logical to me that a certain high level of occupancy would be expected in a resort is sold-out, so I was wondering if I was missing something in the running theme of "over use"! DCL is "sold out" on a regular basis, but no one suggests there that that must mean service levels are not as high as when the ship is not full, so I didn't understand the rationale......Not trying to stir the pot, but rather honestly asking those people who have that opinion why they think that a resort is "over used".....
 
It's not the resort that's overused, it might be a case of it being understaffed. One thing that disturbed me about the 2005 BWV budget was that housekeeping dollars are down from 2004.
 

In particular, certain members tend to get a bit defensive if anyone other than they are in "their" resorts.

More optimistically, I think Doc's characterization of what people choose to post online is quite astute. Happiness isn't all that interesting. Well, except for the double digit dance or success at getting a CRT ressie.
 
WebmasterDoc said:
[...] The nature of the internet demands that there will likely be more negative comment about things than positive (it's usually more inviting to make a comment about something personally perceived to be negative and get a sympathetic response than to report the positive experience expected by everyone as a "normal" course of experience). [...]
Well, I think that's absolutely wrong - quit being so negative.

[ :rotfl2: ;) for the sarcasmically impared ]

Doc's right - it goes back to the old poster that used to be in the break room of the restaurant I worked in: "A satisfied customer may tell one other person about their experience; a dis-satisfied one will tell 25!"

As to over-use, the only realistic thing I can think of is that MS/DVC is unwilling to take rooms out of service for rehab as often as is necessary....
 
flexsmom said:
So this is my question - how can a resort be "over used"?

I define "over used" as when my family can't get a reservation.;)

HBC
 
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I'm not sure if I agree re positive negative.
I am relatively new here, and it seems that whenever anyone posts a negative experience that they apologize and ask not to be thought naughty.
What up with that!!!!!

If someone posts a postive report, I feel glad. I'm glad for the person and glad that Disney is keeping the magic alive. My fav was the post that after 9/11, when the airports were all closed...Disney comped all the rooms to guests who had already checked out for another night. It still gives me goose pimples and makes me get teary.

On the other hand, when people post a negative...I don't feel threatened by that. Yet is almost feels that others do. I don't understand it, but it seems taht some people want to go into denial that anything negative could exist at WDW...and that those who post about a neg experience are somehow naughty or picky.

I take most negative posts (not the whiney ones!) at face value. So perhaps the corridors at BWV need to be cleaned more often. OR maybe the food court at SS needs more variety. Or maybe the thief who stole Donald from the pool needs to put him back....Legit complaints are just asking for a poroblem to be corrected. I think that ends up making the resort BETTER and more desireable.

I don't see a need to 'weight' the pos/neg effect of a post. If there's a problem, identify it and try to offer solutions to fix it. Flaming the bearer of bad tidings is kinda silly. Of course, taking a negative post to heart and belieing that one room with a frayed rug means ALL rooms have frayed rugs is also kinda silly.

I like reading trip reports that are FUNNY. Reports that say everything was beautiful are nice, but kinda boring. And posts that ***** about everything are also boring. But just stating an experience, good or bad, simply and without apology is informative.And frankly if 10 or more DVC owners post about a certain resort being dirty or understaffed...then I think it entirely probably that the resort is temporarily dirty and understaffed. Why do some people get so defensive?

Ok...stepping down from the soap box. Have a nice weekend!
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ColoradoBelle1 said:
I don't see a need to 'weight' the pos/neg effect of a post. If there's a problem, identify it and try to offer solutions to fix it. Flaming the bearer of bad tidings is kinda silly. Of course, taking a negative post to heart and belieing that one room with a frayed rug means ALL rooms have frayed rugs is also kinda silly.

But aren't you basically contradicting yourself there?

Example:

Post: "I've stayed at at BCV twice and both times the housekeeping was sub-standard."

Response: "I've stayed there 20 times and every time the room was immaculate."

By your own criteria, the original poster is trying to identify a perceived problem, yet the responder is providing reassurance that this is not norm (i.e. not all rugs are frayed.) That's how many of these discussions begin.

...it seems that whenever anyone posts a negative experience that they apologize and ask not to be thought naughty. What up with that!!!!!

Different posting styles.

...frankly if 10 or more DVC owners post about a certain resort being dirty or understaffed...then I think it entirely probably that the resort is temporarily dirty and understaffed.

And that represents your own personal bias...the source of any discussion / debate. We all have our own. ;)

Why do some people get so defensive?

By definition, a defensive posture is assumed in response to another going on the offensive. We all have topics on which our feelings are sufficiently passionate to respond if we sense another individual inappropriately encroaching on that territory.

For what it's worth, I think we all know there are times when posters are raked over the coals for posting what they intend to be helpful comments to the group. But in the grand scheme of things, those examples are still only a tiny percentage of the posts here.

Factual errors deserve to be addressed, lest they be left to mislead other readers.

Perceptual issues (cleanliness, quality of service) are usually those that lead to discussion. Most times there is a lot of value in that discussion. Yes, the discussion can go overboard at times, but that's not reason enough for people to withhold comments which may otherwise add value to the discussion.

On the other hand, when people post a negative...I don't feel threatened by that. Yet is almost feels that others do. I don't understand it, but it seems taht some people want to go into denial that anything negative could exist at WDW...and that those who post about a neg experience are somehow naughty or picky.

Most posts on these boards get hundreds of views by different forum members. Example: someone makes a negative comment about housekeeping at BCV. That post gets 400 views and 10 posts sharing additional (perhaps opposing) viewpoints. 390 people didn't feel like commenting on the post either way. Can we really say that the 10 people who did respond were wrong for doing so?

Personally, I think all discussion (OK, MOST discussion) is good discussion. And I suspect that in many occasions, those who posted a complaint and received feedback will experience one of the following:

1. Receive justification and reassurance that they were not alone in their experiences.
2. Receive reassurance that their situation was unique and does not represent the status quo.
3. See the situation from a different point of view and rethink their initial response.
4. Discover that they didn't have enough factual information to properly deal with the situation at the time.

And, the back-and-forth discussion may also prove valuable to other innocent bystanders who find themselves in a similar situation down the road.
 
DebbieB said:
It's not the resort that's overused, it might be a case of it being understaffed. One thing that disturbed me about the 2005 BWV budget was that housekeeping dollars are down from 2004.
DebbieB, is the housekeeping budget broken down into sections? For example: one line for salaries, one line for supplies, one line for major purchases, etc? I ask because if the line for salaries has a decrease, then one should be concerned. That would mean their have been cuts. However, if there is just one line for all of housekeeping, they may not plan on purchasing as many new linens, or supplies this year. Maybe new washer and dryers are not in the budget, etc. I used to work on putting together our county budget, so this got me thinking about where the cuts actually were. Thanks!
 
No, it's one figure. It went from $4,166,958 to $4,047,659. The definition is "cost of cleaning and certain amenities placed in each Vacation Home. Also includes purchase/replacement and cleaning of linens and towels". In 2003 it was $3,480,934, so it's possible that it jumped because of purchases in 2004 and is now moving back.
 
I think when posters use the word "overused" they are referring to the fact that perhaps there are some blemishes in the room...scratched or stained furniture, missing utensils, perhaps not exhibiting wuite the attention to detail that Disney is known for.

That being said, I have always found the rooms to be in pretty good shape, no matter what resort I have been in. And I am pretty "normal" when it comes to my own housekeeping...not a slob but not a fanatic either. If there were small issues, a call to Housekeeping &/or Maintenance usually cleared it up quickly.

We have been owners since 1997 and I can sincerely say that we have never regretted our purchase. As a matter-of-fact, we grow to appreciate it more every year.
 
Well, when I was at OKW in January the check in line was out the door all day long on Jan 2nd-now in spite of Doc's opinion on negative posts I would say that to have that situation at OKW on that date meant it is over-used by people other than members of OKW. It just should not be crowded in Jan. Years ago, I would have had the place to mayself that time of year, it is the hardly the case anymore. ALSO, all 3 of my units that I rented at OKW needed work-the compressor was running 24/7 in one unit, a stripped faucet in another, a door that would not shut to the porch(I almost broke it slamming in shut), missing knob to the dimmer switch and missing throw pillows, these are not opinion things like are things clean enough, these are situations that show me that the entire OKW MAY and I say May be suffering from over use, as well as poor maintenance. If members of DVC who are not members of OKW are using the place because of the point situation there it will be operating at 100 percent all the time like I believe BCV is for the pool there-THUS OVER-USE!!!! Now when you paying $350 to $525 for a one bedroom unit like the charge is at OKW you may have a lot of people there but the maintenance problems I had should not happen. I have been a member at OKW since 95 and never have seen it this bad, in fact I never had a complaint before, but now I think the place is suffering from over-use and undermaintenance--to those that look at WDW though rose colored glasses, I would really say watch their remarks with a grain of salt. :3dglasses
 
Pa - IMHO, the things you describe are more likely to be the result of all the extraordinary maintenance that was/still is required due to the hurricanes. No way could all that damage be fixed in just a matter of months. I believe that the things you describe just fell a little farther down the priority list compared to the hurricane damge. If so, the maintenance personnel just need more time to catch up - maybe things will be back to "normal" by next Janaury. I don't think you can read much into the long check inlines - Jan 2 happened to be a Sunday.

Best wishes -
 
Pa@okw95 said:
If members of DVC who are not members of OKW are using the place because of the point situation there it will be operating at 100 percent all the time like I believe BCV is for the pool there-THUS OVER-USE!!!!

Actually, wouldn't 100% capacity represent "intended use"?
 
Pa@okw95 said:
If members of DVC who are not members of OKW are using the place because of the point situation there it will be operating at 100 percent all the time like I believe BCV is for the pool there-THUS OVER-USE!!!!

Are you stating by implication that somehow, OKW should only be accessible by OKW members. That would require a total change in how DVC runs and is operated! (as I am sure you know)

I find it amusing that you see fit to blame non-OKW members for overuse of OKW - As tjkraz asks, 100% resort occupancy is presumbly the goal of the Disney corporation and thus would not consitute over use. Do OKW members somehow tread lighter in the resort than non-OKW members?

I take it your point is that the level of maintenance needs to be consumerate with the level of occupancy. If so then agreed!

:confused3

cheers
jaysue
 



















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