homeschool ? Please help.

[LadyShiva]

I never toook science above Biology..I had no advancd science or advanced math..I took AP history however... I'm not a creationist. Never have been...Not all learning has to be done in a classroom

To enter a 4 year college nowadays, you must have Chemistry. Physics is required, too, if it is a competitive school.

I realize you went in the military, but I don't know your college background.

Brandie

 

[Mary2e]

I never toook science above Biology..I had no advancd science or advanced math..I took AP history however... I'm not a creationist. Never have been...Not all learning has to be done in a classroom

Weren't you required to take science course in college in order to get a degree?

I have a BS in Accounting and still had to take a prescribed number of core courses which included science and humanities.

 

[LegoMom3]

A reason for the importance of those upper-level science classes: so we no longer have religious wackos running around without basic understanding of evolution. And that's just one example I've seen in recent times where advanced education kept me from buying into a ridiculous idea.

I'm tired of brainwashed religious nuts. I'm also tired of explaining how vaccinations work, and the difference between ethyl and methyl mercury. Our culture is becoming one where the easiest explanation wins, despite it being complete scientific hogwash.

If you want to cripple your kid, go ahead and badmouth science. Just because you didn't like it is no reason to say it doesn't pertain to everyday life.

I have a history degree, by the way. I put myself through college working in a lab. It paid better than when I was working at the museum! I now work in IT.

Brandie

Hmm, I guess I missed the part in my own post where I defined myself as a "religious wacko" (or even stated that I home schooled for religious reasons, for that matter...). Interesting.

Nor was my point to "badmouth science." It was simply to state that a high school kid missing out on lab courses isn't going to cripple him for life! So, I guess since I never enjoyed science myself, I'm a lesser person for it and also must be a less-productive citizen. Sad.

 

[Mary2e]

Well, then I would say more than 50% of the kids graduating from school right now are not getting an appropriate education because that's about the percentage that doesn't take calculus

And what college admits them without these basic courses?

 

[LadyShiva]

I would consider any child in HS not learning calculus or Chemistry as not receiving an appropriate education.

Honestly, I would drop the math requirement down to pre-cal, with the caveat of 2 full years of Math, such as Trig, Stats, Logic and Game Theory, etc.

Calculus is required for certain careers, but I don't know if I require it for an adequate education.

Brandie

 

[LadyShiva]

Hmm, I guess I missed the part in my own post where I defined myself as a "religious wacko" (or even stated that I home schooled for religious reasons, for that matter...). Interesting.

Nor was my point to "badmouth science." It was simply to state that a high school missing out on lab courses isn't going to cripple him for life! So, I guess since I never enjoyed science myself, I'm a lesser person for it and also must be a less-productive citizen. Sad.

Actually, I didn't mean you, which is why I didn't address you as a religious wacko. Otherwise, I would have included to scripture to continue debating the wisdom of learning all you can.

I did state you badmouthed science, though. I think you cripple yourself and your kid when you do so. The argument you countered with--was it ad hominem or ad populum? I get those confused. I'll go look that up.

Brandie

 

[Mary2e]

Honestly, I would drop the math requirement down to pre-cal, with the caveat of 2 full years of Math, such as Trig, Stats, Logic and Game Theory, etc.

Calculus is required for certain careers, but I don't know if I require it for an adequate education.

Brandie

It's not to prepare someone for a career - it's to "create" a well rounded person.

I never use 75% of what I learned in high school and college, but I can discuss it. It just is another bit of knowledge I have at my disposal.

 

[LadyShiva]

It's not to prepare someone for a career - it's to "create" a well rounded person.

I never use 75% of what I learned in high school and college, but I can discuss it. It just is another bit of knowledge I have at my disposal.

Would you allow a Logic class as a substitute for Calculus? I have found it critical to my education, and it usually falls under a math class.

I've also taken it under Philosophy, but that was in college.

Brandie

 

[JennyMominRI]

To enter a 4 year college nowadays, you must have Chemistry. Physics is required, too, if it is a competitive school.

I realize you went in the military, but I don't know your college background.

Brandie

30 percent of HS kids don't go to college.. Another percentage(sorry couldn't find the numbers) dropout before they graduate from HS. That means aat least 40% of the US population don't go to college at all.
Lots of kids who struggle in high school do what my niece is doing, go to community college for a couple of year first.. She didn't have the higher maths and sciences , so she chose another route
I joined the Marines with the assurance I could go to college while I was in..It didn't work out that way withing my MOS and with their being a war during my service years. When I got out, I was, of course sick and being told I was dying. College never happened for me.. It doesn't mean I stopped learning of course..I have a lifelong love of learning..
I think that for some kids, traditional school kills that love for learning.. They just have a different learning style,and that style does not work well in a classroom setting.. For some of those kids homeschooling is a great option
I've been on both sides of the coin..My kids were homeschooled for many years and are now in public school..I knew that I could not do a proper job of teaching them higher maths and sciences, and we now live in a good school district, so it was back to school for them

 

[JennyMominRI]

Weren't you required to take science course in college in order to get a degree?

I have a BS in Accounting and still had to take a prescribed number of core courses which included science and humanities.

I never went to college.. That was my point.

 

[JennyMominRI]

And what college admits them without these basic courses?

Lots of kids don't go to college..Not everyone is meant for college.
My niece has been in community college for 2 years without the advanced colleges you listed..She will switch to a 4 year institution next year.

 

[LegoMom3]

....
I did state you badmouthed science, though. I think you cripple yourself and your kid when you do so.

Brandie

Then clearly we're on two different pages with regard to science. I never said it had no value what so ever at any level. My kids love science, but at their ages it's still a very basic level. We love to Google stuff because it suddenly occurs to one of them, "Hey, how does that work?" or "How does a caterpillar become a butterfly?" I don't badmouth it at home but help them to find the answers!

 

[LadyShiva]

30 percent of HS kids don't go to college.. Another percentage(sorry couldn't find the numbers) dropout before they graduate from HS. That means aat least 40% of the US population don't go to college at all.
Lots of kids who struggle in high school do what my niece is doing, go to community college for a couple of year first.. She didn't have the higher maths and sciences , so she chose another route
I joined the Marines with the assurance I could go to college while I was in..It didn't work out that way withing my MOS and with their being a war during my service years. When I got out, I was, of course sick and being told I was dying. College never happened for me.. It doesn't mean I stopped learning of course..I have a lifelong love of learning..
I think that for some kids, traditional school kills that love for learning.. They just have a different learning style,and that style does not work well in a classroom setting.. For some of those kids homeschooling is a great option
I've been on both sides of the coin..My kids were homeschooled for many years and are now in public school..I knew that I could not do a proper job of teaching them higher maths and sciences, and we now live in a good school district, so it was back to school for them

Did you mean of the US population or the HS population for your total?

(Jenny, on a personal note, my non-college-bound brother at boot camp graduates on Aug 9th!!! Woohoo!!!)

Brandie

 

[sha_lyn]

Did you mean of the US population or the HS population for your total?

(Jenny, on a personal note, my non-college-bound brother at boot camp graduates on Aug 9th!!! Woohoo!!!)

Brandie

I believe in this post HS=High School, not Home School

 

[JennyMominRI]

Did you mean of the US population or the HS population for your total?

(Jenny, on a personal note, my non-college-bound brother at boot camp graduates on Aug 9th!!! Woohoo!!!)

Brandie

I did some searching and the number I came up with is that 70% of graduating students attend a school of higher learning within 2 years of graduation.. That means, if my non-college educated brain is smart enough to figure it out , that 30% don't attend any college and a percentage of those who do go to college attend a community college..That doesn't even take into account those who don't even finish HS at all.

My middle son wants to join the military... He's just not the college type and that's OK...
1 of the 4 kids I homeschooled is in high honor roll courses and can probably get into an excellent college..My other 2 also have plans to attend.

 

[LadyShiva]

Then clearly we're on two different pages with regard to science. I never said it had no value what so ever at any level. My kids love science, but at their ages it's still a very basic level. We love to Google stuff because it suddenly occurs to one of them, "Hey, how does that work?" or "How does a caterpillar become a butterfly?" I don't badmouth it at home but help them to find the answers!

Okee dokee, to me, from this post, we have common ground then. "Science" is still a hazy concept for me to teach my 2 year old, too. We have the microscope, baking soda, and vinegar waiting for her, though!

Brandie

 

[JennyMominRI]

I believe in this post HS=High School, not Home School

I meant High School.... Sorry for the confusion

 

[Mary2e]

Would you allow a Logic class as a substitute for Calculus? I have found it critical to my education, and it usually falls under a math class.

I've also taken it under Philosophy, but that was in college.

Brandie

Yeah, I took it in college... what a nightmare

I still think calculus is far more useful than a logic class, which is why it's given in the philosophy dept in college. It's not really math.

 

[LadyShiva]

I did some searching and the number I came up with is that 70% of graduating students attend a school of higher learning within 2 years of graduation.. That means, if my non-college educated brain is smart enough to figure it out , that 30% don't attend any college and a percentage of those who do go to college attend a community colege..That doesn't even take into account those who don't even finish HS at all.

My middle son wants to join the military... He's just not the college type and that's OK...
1 of the 4 kids I homeschooled is in high honor roll courses and can probably get into an excellent college..My other 2 also have plans to attend.

*nod* Okee dokee. Thanks for the explanation.

It -kiiiiiiills- me to see parents describe their kids as "not the college type," I have to admit. My mom just finished her Bachelor's the other day, because she found that she needed it to keep a job. The woman has over 20 years of experience in IT, with an Associate's degree from a community college.

I realize it is a bias on my part to want all kids to excel academically. I think of their future earning ability, and what a lack of a college degree does to their ambitions. Yes, -someone- has to fix cars, or be a plumber, or perform any number of hands-on trades (that make more than decent livings, don't get me wrong), but I can't conceive of a parent not wanting their kid to be the next President of the US. Even to found their own charity, I would think they need a college degree, if not an advanced college degree.

Does that make sense?
Brandie

 

[LadyShiva]

Yeah, I took it in college... what a nightmare

I still think calculus is far more useful than a logic class, which is why it's given in the philosophy dept in college. It's not really math.

I think you're wrong, and I can argue why....

Ok, I'll just agree to disagree here. My requirements are 2 or 3 full years of math for high school graduation (homeschool or public school or private school).

*grin*
Brandie