Holy Diagon Alley Batman!

No one yet really sees US as a vacation destination.

Don't be so sure of that! I enjoy theme parks and I'm setting my sights on my next 2 week vacation being at US. I figure I could take 5 days at US parks if I take it *real* easy. And US offers tickets that give me Busch Gardens (easy 1 day there), Wet 'n Wild (we love water parks, 2 days there), Sea World (1 day), and Aquatica (beats me... 1/2 day?). 9 1/2 days... throw in a day at Legoland and that's pretty much 11 days filled (tickets are good for 14 days). I bet I could find plenty of shopping and other things to do during the 1 day left (I always consider the first and last days a throwaway, don't like too much hassle at that point, what with all the driving).

I love parks and frankly, I'm not willing to become a fanboy of any of them, I want to enjoy them all for whatever they're worth!

LOL, just looked up Aquatica, make that 13 days filled!
 
A very impressive attraction that will pull some attendance from the Disney parks.

All that being said, it will not make a significant dent In the immersive experience that Disney offers. No one yet really sees US as a vacation destination. They see it as a max 3 day park. At least the vast majority. US just cannot compete on that level with Disney and they know it. It doesn't mean that they cannot increase their share of the theme park pie but they would need to probably add 3 to 5 of these same type of attractions (and one to two more gates) and some more resorts at different levels to even begin to compete with Disney on that level. I just don't think that will ever happen. Or at least not in the foreseeable future.

Universal just filed permits with Orange county for plans for their 5th hotel to go between the just opened Cabana Bay and the Royal Pacific.The plans also called for a 6th and 7th hotel but one of those might only be an expansion of Cabana Bay.Universal also just filed a trademark for the name Volcano Bay which most likely is for a new highly themed waterpark.They already own and bought the land where Wet n Wild sits on so its unknown if this will be a new rumored waterpark onsite their main campus or a total refurb to Wet n Wild.There's also the rumor of a 3rd gate going on International Drive nearby Wet N Wild with a short monorail ride connecting the original parks to this new one.As far as rides King Kong will probably be opening sometime in 2015 as construction has already started and a new Jurassic park ride is supposed to follow.I'm a huge Disney fan who just wants Disney to stop coasting along like they've been doing for the last 15 years.I think the day Universal announces a 3rd park is when they'll realize these guys are seriously going to start taking a good chunk of our business,and that 3rd park will probably happen before you know it.
 
Don't be so sure of that! I enjoy theme parks and I'm setting my sights on my next 2 week vacation being at US. I figure I could take 5 days at US parks if I take it *real* easy. And US offers tickets that give me Busch Gardens (easy 1 day there), Wet 'n Wild (we love water parks, 2 days there), Sea World (1 day), and Aquatica (beats me... 1/2 day?). 9 1/2 days... throw in a day at Legoland and that's pretty much 11 days filled (tickets are good for 14 days). I bet I could find plenty of shopping and other things to do during the 1 day left (I always consider the first and last days a throwaway, don't like too much hassle at that point, what with all the driving).

I love parks and frankly, I'm not willing to become a fanboy of any of them, I want to enjoy them all for whatever they're worth!

LOL, just looked up Aquatica, make that 13 days filled!

Ok but most of those parks you mentioned are not Universal Studios or a US owned park. My point is, US studios in itself is not a vacation destination. In fact, it proves that in order to create an entire vacation consisting of US, you need to add some non-US attractions. That is not the case with WDW.
 

Diagon Alley a big win for Theme Parks:

http://www.themeparkinsider.com/

This article states very succinctly what I've been thinking while reading the thread. I'm looking forward to seeing Diagon Alley, even though I am not a Harry Potter fan. Their work on Hogsmeade truly demonstrates that Universal is capable of doing first-class, imaginative work that rivals any attraction that Disney can build.

Disney is a special brand to me and they own something that can't be duplicated. But I'm genuinely happy that Universal refuses to settle for second-class. Disney needs a real nemesis to spur more creativity and investment -- instead of complacency that has led to some fairly soulless un-Disneylike projects in the past. We all will win as a result.
 
How in the world do you spend 8 hours in WWOHP?

kiddo was ecstatic just being there. us adults got a little bored but our potter universe obsessed DD wanted to go over every little detail she saw. we thankfully went in Jan when it was slow and for the first hour we were there, there was almost no one there. we took lots of pics and took our time. we'd cleared the whole day for it since we had been told getting chosen by a wand at ollivanders was hard to achieve. kiddo was heck bent on going through the line as many times as needed but she got picked first try so we had lots of time left over to mill about.
 
Ok but most of those parks you mentioned are not Universal Studios or a US owned park. My point is, US studios in itself is not a vacation destination. In fact, it proves that in order to create an entire vacation consisting of US, you need to add some non-US attractions. That is not the case with WDW.

Disney has done a better job at locking in visitors, getting them to forgo cars (Magical Express), giving dining plans, and pricing front-loaded multi-day passes. All smart business strategies designed to make it less attractive to leave. They even built a dinosaur ride to undermine Jurassic Park.

But ultimately, Universal IS a vacation destination because it's spurring more people to visit Orlando. It definitely doesn't have the scope of WDW, but I don't think that undercuts the fact that it's a very solid destination.
 
They even built a dinosaur ride to undermine Jurassic Park.

lol.....they built a whole movie studio themed park, an animal themed park and two water parks to keep people away from similar offerings in the area.
 
Avatar is a weird one. Its just not as marketable as HP or Star Wars, I don't think. The imagination team for product must be scratching their head to come up with good ideas - those aliens were 90% naked all the time, and I can't see parents wanting any of their kids running around in loin cloths and beads. Compare that to HP or Star Wars. What else could they market for avatar? Spears? Bows? ... squirrels roasting on a stick? Its going to be tough....

Hey that's an idea! Instead of crab legs, Cape May can serve squirrels roasting on a stick!
 
Does anyone think that NarniaLand would be better than Avatar? More books and films to draw from. The films were awesome. Beautiful scenery. Plenty to use for attractions and rides, more to appeal to all ages!
 
Avatar done correctly could go blow for blow with the theming of HP due to them being able to go out of this world with the idea. HP still has to be grounded in reality and if you didn't like the series than it's nothing more than throwback London..
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There are seven books in the Harry Potter series and each is full of wonderful descriptive details about the Wizarding World. There is enough information in these books that multiple places
could be turned into theme park attractions. London is just one small part of the story.

Avatar on the other hand, has blue people in a blue forest. Really?
 
Does anyone think that NarniaLand would be better than Avatar? More books and films to draw from. The films were awesome. Beautiful scenery. Plenty to use for attractions and rides, more to appeal to all ages!

That would be amazing..and there is a story ;)
 
This article states very succinctly what I've been thinking while reading the thread. I'm looking forward to seeing Diagon Alley, even though I am not a Harry Potter fan. Their work on Hogsmeade truly demonstrates that Universal is capable of doing first-class, imaginative work that rivals any attraction that Disney can build.

Disney is a special brand to me and they own something that can't be duplicated. But I'm genuinely happy that Universal refuses to settle for second-class. Disney needs a real nemesis to spur more creativity and investment -- instead of complacency that has led to some fairly soulless un-Disneylike projects in the past. We all will win as a result.

Reminds me of the old Avis commercial: "we try harder."
 
Does not compute?

So you like Avatar more but you wanted to see something based on Harry Potter? Sounds like the marketing people at US did a real good job!

Avatar done correctly could go blow for blow with the theming of HP due to them being able to go out of this world with the idea. HP still has to be grounded in reality and if you didn't like the series than it's nothing more than throwback London...

Not saying HP isn't likely amazing in person but talking from someone who enjoys both series but isn't an extreme fan of either what you said is a very foreign concept to me especially considering there is a million ways to protray pandora and make it something spectacular.

And if you didn't like Avatar?

Also, I'm curious, have you ever been to London?
 
256 million for Diagon Alley vs. 1.5 billion for magic bands. Now I ask you, who do you think is going to see a better return on investment?

We'll have to wait and see.

I've been to universal twice since the last time I went to Disney. So I'm a fan. The wwohp is fantastic and I can't wait to see diagon alley. I'm also skeptical of Avatar as a franchise. The movie put me to sleep and I've never actually finished watching it. My kids are completely ambivalent about it.

That being said Disney I wouldn't count Disney out. They seem to have a long term plan. Magic bands were an investment in infrastructure. I'm fascinated by its potential and it could turn out to be far more significant than any attraction.
 
256 million for Diagon Alley vs. 1.5 billion for magic bands. Now I ask you, who do you think is going to see a better return on investment?

Without a doubt, magic bands. Disney is able to squeeze way more money out of their current visitors with these babies, they don't need client growth to do it. This is marketing on a whole new playing field.

Regarding Avatar
I loved the movie, I really did. And, the theme of conservation does really fit in to Animal Kingdom. With James Cameron unleashed, I hold out a lot of positive feelings for the coming of this land, as long as disney fronts the bucks for it. This is why I think this

You don't have to have a beloved story to make an incredible theme ride. Splash mountain was based on Songs of the South, certainly not a huge hit, and most kids today would not have a clue about that movie, nor most adults I guess. Same thing with Tower of Terror, a classic ride that is themed to the hilt. Disney does not need a fantastic franchise in order to make a fantastic attraction, or a fantastic land. They just need to let their imagineers go, and fund them.

But, Disney no longer does this. Look at voyage of the little mermaid in fantasyland. Its not bad, not horrible, but its incredibly second rate, using stale technology. One of the rooms looks unfinished, like they did not even care that you could see the ceiling. Have not seen 7dmt yet, and can't judge it, but I expect that its going to be better done then VOTLM, but still underwhelming compared to what is going on at Universal.

(I think there is a rebel at WDW imagineering though - he was given the job of doing the bathroom in fantasyland, and said - I am going to do it like Walt would have wanted it done).

Regarding Universal: they are taking attractions and themeing to the next level, and seriously blowing Disney out of the water. On top of that, the attractions they are doing DO HAVE a HUGE marketing franchise, of people who never have done theme parks MAKING orlando their destination solely due to the HP phenomenon. You add this to incredible attractions, and they are going to have instant success.
Think about this: HP is not a north american market, its a world wide market. Some of the biggest fandoms are in europe, and brazil, and australia.

So Universal has scooped instantly what Disney has enjoyed all along, world wide recognizable characters and movies.

Think about that. World Wide Fandoms + Huge Franchise + Incredible Themeing + State of the Art Attractions = Universal on a whole new level. The extra added benefit of HP is the easy, easy product marketing that is associated with it. The UO team must have been giggling in glee when coming up with product concepts to sell not only to the tourists, but world friggen wide. Again, I say, the poor avatar people are up the creek on their task. However, Star Wars is a franchise that is just as good, or maybe almost as good (is it a little stale?) as HP.

And, I would argue that UO IS a DESTINATION. The only reason its not perceived as a destination is because of the absolutely awful job they have done marketing. Honestly, its got to be one of the things Disney is most happy about with Universal, their marketing team. They have to be thanking the good fairy every night, because if the UO sales team were half as good as the UO imagineers, Disney would be losing people coming to the world. Instead, Disney is gaining people who make the trek out to Orlando to see harry potter, from all points of the world, and then figure, I might as well see some of Disney too. They look at the ticket prices and STRUCTURE, ME, number of parks, and then spend the lions share of their time at disney and do Universal a day or two.

Thats my opinion, ymmv
 
And, I would argue that UO IS a DESTINATION.

Not until they add at least one more park and two hotels. Then they will be getting enough guests spending their ENTIRE time at Universal to give Disney pause. Not until then.
 
DW is my absolute favorite place on earth. And no matter what gets added to Universal or any other park, that will never change. I mean honestly, for me, the hub expansion is more exciting than Harry Potter.

The hub expansion at MK is more exciting to you than Harry Potter?? Wow, I'm impressed you take fandom to a whole new level. I bet the locker revision really got you excited!
 
Just what I have seen on Youtube gives me chills and I'm not even a huge HP fan. DD is though and I think it is the thought of seeing her face when we go. We originally planned to head back in 2016/17 because we just went summer '14, but we are now squeezing 9 days September '15. I can't wait! We of course will hit WDW while we are there and I still love MK, but I don't see how people can say IOA isn't a fully immersive experience. It is an amazing park and is IMO far superior to every WDW park except MK and right at the same level. I just wish we hadn't already planned and paid for our other trip so we could go sooner...I guess it gives me something to look forward too:goodvibes
 












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