Hillary Supporters unite part 2; no bashing please

[Dolce27]

Today’s News:

Articles are being written stating that Hillary has requested her name not to be added to the convention’s ballot and has asked her SD’s to vote for Obama.

Not true.

There’s a clip on youtube that’s been posted in the last couple of days from a Q&A with Hillary. It was an informal gathering, I’m not certain what type of gathering, everyone was standing around and the video camera that shot the video (placed on youtube) was an individual’s camera and not a media camera. One of Hillary’s delegates was there and many questions were asked to her for if she’ll be on the convention ballot. She stated that she would be, that she feels the only way to bring ‘unity’ to the Democratic party is to allow her name to be on the ballot so the SD’s can cast their vote as it should be casted. I agree. Hillary rightfully should be on that ballot and her SD’s should rightfully be allowed to vote for her. It’s been like this on all other conventions and to have her name removed would not be normal for a convention and unfair to her.

So, does this remind anyone of the last day of the primaries when the polls were still open and the AP released a false news story that Hillary had conceded, when she hadn’t, and then refused to retract the articles when it was proven that she was still in the race? I think some people really are getting scared that she’ll be the one to walk away from the convention with the nomination and these false news stories are ones of desperation.

Oh, and one other interesting thing she mentioned: A lot of the previous primaries, the losing candidate didn’t endorse the winning candidate until the convention so this cry from the DNC and the OS for her to concede and endorse Obama immediately was ridiculous and unfair to her. (She didn’t state the unfair part, I did)

 

[MyManGoofy!]

Today’s News:

Articles are being written stating that Hillary has requested her name not to be added to the convention’s ballot and has asked her SD’s to vote for Obama.

Not true.

There’s a clip on youtube that’s been posted in the last couple of days from a Q&A with Hillary. It was an informal gathering, I’m not certain what type of gathering, everyone was standing around and the video camera that shot the video (placed on youtube) was an individual’s camera and not a media camera. One of Hillary’s delegates was there and many questions were asked to her for if she’ll be on the convention ballot. She stated that she would be, that she feels the only way to bring ‘unity’ to the Democratic party is to allow her name to be on the ballot so the SD’s can cast their vote as it should be casted. I agree. Hillary rightfully should be on that ballot and her SD’s should rightfully be allowed to vote for her. It’s been like this on all other conventions and to have her name removed would not be normal for a convention and unfair to her.

So, does this remind anyone of the last day of the primaries when the polls were still open and the AP released a false news story that Hillary had conceded, when she hadn’t, and then refused to retract the articles when it was proven that she was still in the race? I think some people really are getting scared that she’ll be the one to walk away from the convention with the nomination and these false news stories are ones of desperation.

Oh, and one other interesting thing she mentioned: A lot of the previous primaries, the losing candidate didn’t endorse the winning candidate until the convention so this cry from the DNC and the OS for her to concede and endorse Obama immediately was ridiculous and unfair to her. (She didn’t state the unfair part, I did)

It makes you wonder what the DNC, Obama and his camp etc... are so afraid of, doesn't it? Maybe my dream of the SDs waking up at the convention is not such a dream after all.

On a side note, not sure who all reads the Conservative thread, but I was lurking over there and saw this...laughed myself into an asthma attack!!

Go to youtube and do a search for "Leave Barack Alone". It should be the first video to come up (will have a voice over by Christopher Beam).

Thanks to SwedishMeatball for the laugh!

 

[DISUNC]

Today’s News:

Articles are being written stating that Hillary has requested her name not to be added to the convention’s ballot and has asked her SD’s to vote for Obama.

Not true.

I did not know that!!!!!!

 

[Dolce27]

Wow. Lot's of interesting stuff still going on about Obama's Certificate of Live Birth. The one on Daily Kos and Obama's Fight the Smear's Campaign are now proven fakes. Apparently, someone got ahold of a female's COLB and photoshopped it into the fake one that Obama is using as 'proof' that he's a US Citizen. They haven’t released the name of the woman who COLB was used, but apparently it is surprising – which means that it’s someone connected to this election somehow. They’re giving the guilty party a chance to come forward before they post that information. Doubt that person will come forward in hopes that they don’t really know, so I’ll just wait for them to release the name of the person.

A board certified forensic computer examiner, with 20 years of experience and who does have U.S. Department of Justice clearance, was asked, and has been, investigating this. He’s the one I’ve previously mentioned who a few of the OS figured out who he was and he had his tires slashed and a gutted rabbit hanging from his front door as a ‘thank-you’ for all of the hard work he’s done for this investigation on his own personal time. Right now he just uses a screen name for the blog although he did state in today’s blog that his name and credentials will be released when this goes public. So, yes, this information should be going public- will the main stream media pick-up on it.

I don't think that the people who are working on this believe any longer that Obama was born outside of the US, they just (justifiably) feel that Obama is hiding information about his past - probably relating to having a dual citizenship with Indonesia. So, obviously, the question has popped up quite a bit on who exactly checks out that the Presidential candidates qualify to run for POTUS. I’ve read before that for Obama, being from the state of Illinois, he just had to mail in a few documents – nothing major- and place a phone call. He didn’t have to even show up in person. I can’t recall where I was reading that or I’d go back and check my facts on this right now. I’ve also read that it’s up to each state to petition a candidate for proof of candidacy should a question arise – but nothing mandatory. Does anyone know more about this as I’m really not certain about how this works.

Also, if anyone is interested in the link to this to read what all this guy, and another blogger, has researched and figured out, PM me. All of this information has been posted in a blog over several weeks as they’ve been investigating this and everything is long, technical and spread out. Way too much to post over here.

 

[JARNJ3]

I did not know that!!!!!!

She is taking one for the party.

Edited - oops - I didn't read all the posts. So maybe she isn't taking one for the party!!

Today on Meet the Press - the journalists basically stated that she is giving an address on a specific night of the convention, and that basically means she is out of the VP stakes. This bums me out. If it were the other way around - he'd be on the ticket already - and as I have always contended - if Hillary were "John" - it would have been a slam dunk to have the top two vote getters on the ticket.

 

[Planogirl]

Is it not OK to have a dual citizenship? To be truthful, I've never heard.

 

[Dolce27]

Is it not OK to have a dual citizenship? To be truthful, I've never heard.

Not to be the POTUS.

 

[Planogirl]

Not to be the POTUS.

Interesting.... (And I don't know why I didn't know that. )

As for the VP slot, I don't believe that Hillary was EVER under consideration and it has nothing to do with her campaign style or anything else. I don't think it mattered and it really disappoints me.

 

[DISUNC]

Go to youtube and do a search for "Leave Barack Alone". It should be the first video to come up (will have a voice over by Christopher Beam).

Thanks to SwedishMeatball for the laugh!

Gotta YouTube!

 

[JARNJ3]

Is it not OK to have a dual citizenship? To be truthful, I've never heard.

I had to google this.

From Wikipedia:

Qualification, disqualification and common practice

Article Two of the Constitution sets the principal qualifications to be eligible for election as President. A Presidential candidate must:

* be a natural-born citizen of the United States;
* be at least thirty-five years old;
* have been a permanent resident in the United States for at least fourteen years.

Additionally, the Constitution disqualifies some people from the Presidency. Under Article One of the United States Constitution, the Senate has the option, upon conviction, of disqualifying impeached individuals from holding other federal offices, including the Presidency.[4] Under the Twenty-Second Amendment, no one can be elected President more than twice. The Twenty-Second Amendment also specifies that anyone who serves more than two years as President or Acting President, of a term for which someone else was elected President, can only be elected President once. Under the Twelfth Amendment a person who is no longer eligible to be President may not be Vice President either.

Foreign-born Americans at the time the Constitution was adopted were also eligible to become President, provided they met the age and residency requirements.

The United States Government was non-partisan prior to 1792, so the Constitution says nothing about political parties. From 1796 to the Civil War, it was common for political parties to fracture and put forward more than one candidate. The classic example is the 1824 election, in which political parties officially played no role because all of the candidates were from the same party. This also was the only election in which the recipient of the most Electoral College votes (Andrew Jackson) did not become President (as he did not have a majority). The election was then decided by the United States House of Representatives, which elected John Quincy Adams instead.

The Civil War brought home how dangerous political fracture can be for the nation, with the result that the two largest parties at the time — Democratic and Republican — remade themselves into broad coalitions of liberals and conservatives. Consequently, all presidents since the Civil War have been nominees of one of these two major political parties.

Nevertheless, there have been seven important third-party candidates since the Civil War:

* In the 1892 election, James Weaver (Populist Party) won four states, taking twenty-two electoral votes
* In the 1912 election, third-party candidate, former Republican and former President Theodore Roosevelt (Progressive Party a.k.a. "Bull Moose Party") actually bested the losing major party candidate, taking six states and eighty-eight electoral votes, while sitting President William Howard Taft (Republican) took two states and eight electoral votes—and Democrat Woodrow Wilson took the White House.
* In the 1924 election, Robert M. La Follette, Sr. (Progressive) took one state, with thirteen electoral votes.
* In the 1948 election, Strom Thurmond (Dixiecrat) won four states, taking thirty-nine electoral votes
* In the 1960 election, Harry F. Byrd (Democrat) did not run for President but received fifteen electoral votes from three states. All eight of Mississippi's electors voted for Byrd as President and Strom Thurmond as Vice President; six of Alabama's electors did likewise, while one faithless Republican elector from Oklahoma cast his votes for Byrd as President and for Barry Goldwater as Vice President.
* In the 1968 election, Alabama Governor George Wallace (American Independent Party) won five states, taking forty-six electoral votes.
* In the 1992 election, Independent candidate Ross Perot took nearly 19% of the popular vote at the national level, but he won no states and thus received no electoral votes.

In 2005, two amendments to the Constitution of the United States were proposed to permit persons having been citizens of the United States for many years but not being natural-born citizens to hold the Office of President. Neither bill got any further action beyond that year. H.J.RES.2, introduced on January 4, 2005, sponsored by Rep. John Conyers, Jr. (D-MI-14) and cosponsored by Rep. Brad Sherman (D-CA-27), would require 20 years of citizenship for naturalized Americans to be eligible to hold the Office of President.[5] H.J.RES.42, introduced on April 14, 2005, sponsored by Rep. Vic Snyder (D-AR-2) and cosponsored by Christopher Shays (R-CT-4), would require 35 years of citizenship for naturalized Americans to be eligible to hold the offices of President and Vice President.[6]

Finally, while they are not in any way requirements:

* Thirty-one of forty-two Presidents had military service records; all but one of them (James Buchanan) served as an officer.
* Every president has had prior experience as a Congressman, Senator, Cabinet Secretary, Governor, General in the U.S. Army, or as Vice President of the United States.
* Every president to date has been a white male.
* Every president to date has been a Christian; all but one have been Protestants, with the most common denomination being Episcopalian; John F. Kennedy has been the only Roman Catholic. Ronald Reagan was baptized a Catholic, but he was reared in the Disciples of Christ faith by his mother.

 

[DISUNC]

She is taking one for the party.

Edited - oops - I didn't read all the posts. So maybe she isn't taking one for the party!!

Today on Meet the Press - the journalists basically stated that she is giving an address on a specific night of the convention, and that basically means she is out of the VP stakes. This bums me out. If it were the other way around - he'd be on the ticket already - and as I have always contended - if Hillary were "John" - it would have been a slam dunk to have the top two vote getters on the ticket.

I am glad that she is NOT on the ticket! I never liked that idea anyway!
She is too good for him!

Besides she is gonna run again in 2012!

 

[DISUNC]

JUST GOOGLEING OBAMAS BIRTH!!!!

ANYHOOOOOOOOOO Tommorrow is his Birthday!
What did ya all get him?

 

[DISUNC]

meanwhile here is his "PROOF" on some website

http://my.barackobama.com/page/invite/birthcert

Are they flippen kidden????? You cant even read it!

 

[moon]

She is taking one for the party.


Today on Meet the Press - the journalists basically stated that she is giving an address on a specific night of the convention, and that basically means she is out of the VP stakes.

Actually, on several sites I've read, that speech and the fact that it seems Hillary's calendar for August is cleared so she can camaign for BO has resurrected the rumor that she will be his VP.

Not that I want it to happen.

But being that JMcC and BO are virtually tied in the polls, they may be looking at her and realising he needs her to win.

These next few weeks are going to be interesting.

 

[Dolce27]

Actually, on several sites I've read, that speech and the fact that it seems Hillary's calendar for August is cleared so she can camaign for BO has resurrected the rumor that she will be his VP.

Not that I want it to happen.

But being that JMcC and BO are virtually tied in the polls, they may be looking at her and realising he needs her to win.

These next few weeks are going to be interesting.

I really don't want that to happen either. If there is a BO/HC ticket - I won't vote for it. Nothing good can come out of that.

 

[moon]

I really don't want that to happen either. If there is a BO/HC ticket - I won't vote for it. Nothing good can come out of that.

ITA, Dolce. After I posted I thought that with the polls being so tight they realize they need her. They need her to win -or to blame her if they lose.

I don't see anything good -at least for Hillary- coming out of this.

 

[Duckfan-in-Chicago]

Now Obama is asking for Fla. And Mich. to be fully seated. They're going to talk about it the day before the convention. I wonder if Brazile is going to be OK with that. Her momma always taught her to play by the rules after all, and if they get fully seated what's to prevent other states from doing the exact same thing next time? It will be anarchy!

The net result if they do fully seat them now will be the only people who are actually 'punished' at the end of the day are the voters who's candidate in the state would have been up big and had momentum heading into Super Tuesday. And those voters had no say in the decision to move it up.

 

[Dolce27]

Now Obama is asking for Fla. And Mich. to be fully seated. They're going to talk about it the day before the convention. I wonder if Brazile is going to be OK with that. Her momma always taught her to play by the rules after all, and if they get fully seated what's to prevent other states from doing the exact same thing next time? It will be anarchy!

The net result if they do fully seat them now will be the only people who are actually 'punished' at the end of the day are the voters who's candidate in the state would have been up big and had momentum heading into Super Tuesday. And those voters had no say in the decision to move it up.

I heard about this last night. So the guy who blocked any recount vote is suddenly all for full delegation now that it'll benefit him? That's the thing with this guy - he's proven over and over that he'll only do the things that will benefit him. You simply can't trust him.

Oh, and I don't think Donna Brazile's mamma did a good job of teaching her how to play by the rules. But, yeah, FL and MI will be sat. They'll do it in order to appease the voters and try to get their full support behind Obama.

And as for Hillary as VP? (these rumors are still troubling me) Even if her schedule is cleared off, I know that she hasn't been vetted for the VP spot. I guess it's possible that because she's such a public figure and a presidential candidate that the Obama campaign doesn't feel the need to request everything from her, but I know that she hasn’t been vetted. I've also heard that while she'll be giving a major speech at the convention, the date she's scheduled to speak does not fit the typical time frame for a running VP speech. So, take that for what it is. We'll all just have to wait until the end of this month to see where this goes - unless something leaks out first.

 

[jacksonsmom]

I for one am really hoping Hillary is NOT on that ticket *less she is in the top spot*

Like many have said NOTHING good would come out of Hillary being VP. She will be blamed for everything bad that happens to Obama.

 

[DISUNC]

I for one am really hoping Hillary is NOT on that ticket *less she is in the top spot*

Who knows???? Maybe Obama was not born in the USA. Still no real Birth certificate has been seen.