Hillary Supporters unite part 2; no bashing please

[Zippa D Doodah]

I hope this comment is welcome here. If not, I humbly apologize...

I don't think any candidate is FOR war and death. It is all a matter of navigating a proper end to the matter. Obama has his way; McCain has his. As for abortion rights, even some of the staunchest opponents of abortion (I guess this includes me) are far less interested in overturning legislation than we are in actually greatly decreasing the number of abortions. To that end, McCain should feel no significant political pressure to appoint judges thirsty to overturn Roe v Wade. JMO.

ETA: McCain supporters are not out to seduce the votes of HS or anyone else for that matter. I just believe that rational thinking through the issues may lead to more than one possible destination.

 

[deelam]

One thing she, and the rest of America, do NOT deserve, is another Republican in the White House and more war, death and destruction.
Additionally, stacking the supreme court with people who will take the rights away from us, our children, and our granddaughters. That, she doesn't deserve.

But is Obama experienced enough to handle all the crazy world leaders on the verge of getting nukes? I don't think so.

I can't let the fear of the supreme court picks keep me from choosing the lesser of 2 evils.

 

[Planogirl]

I hope this comment is welcome here. If not, I humbly apologize...

I don't think any candidate is FOR war and death. It is all a matter of navigating a proper end to the matter. Obama has his way; McCain has his. As for abortion rights, even some of the staunchest opponents of abortion (I guess this includes me) are far less interested in overturning legislation than we are in actually greatly decreasing the number of abortions. To that end, McCain should feel no significant political pressure to appoint judges thirsty to overturn Roe v Wade. JMO.

ETA: McCain supporters are not out to seduce the votes of HS or anyone else for that matter. I just believe that rational thinking through the issues may lead to more than one possible destination.

I personally welcome nicely stated opinions from anyone. Just the flaming and attacks got a bit old.

"Navigating a proper end..." I'm concerned that McCain's route will take way too long. Yes, I'm impatient and I believe that many Americans feel the same way. This wasn't supposed to drag on and on and I never thought that we would end up actually occupying Iraq. It's troubling.

As for Roe vs Wade, that one concerns me too. Along with the deficit, new taxes in OTHER areas (from my experience Republicans cut income taxes and then raise taxes on everything else) and so on.

In my opinion, too much rational thinking makes both candidates look questionable. I do believe that in our current state, a Democratic President is better.

 

[deelam]

And I believe that no matter who gets in office, they are going to have a tough time straightening out our economy and will be under much scrutiny. The next president may catch a lot of flack for things that have nothing to do with him, but rather are more to do with the bad economy. For instance, a depression, worsening recession or even tax hikes and escalating oil cost.

I remember when people from NJ hated EX Governor Jim Florio. He raised taxes along with other unpopular things in NJ. Many defenders said Florio's moves were needed to straighten out a big finacial mess left by republican's. They said Florio inheritted a mess. The attempts to straighten out the mess seemed to have been the end of Florio's Long political career.

 

[Purrrrfecta]

But is Obama experienced enough to handle all the crazy world leaders on the verge of getting nukes? I don't think so.

I can't let the fear of the supreme court picks keep me from choosing the lesser of 2 evils.

How do you know Obama isn't experienced enough?
So I was going to vote for Hillary because I knew Bill had her back as far as experience was concerned. I knew he was going to help her through all of that. Now, are you saying McCain is capable? How do you know?

Please explain.

Presidents do not run the country alone really.
Do you think Bush runs this country?

 

[jacksonsmom]

But is Obama experienced enough to handle all the crazy world leaders on the verge of getting nukes? I don't think so.

I can't let the fear of the supreme court picks keep me from choosing the lesser of 2 evils.

Exactly. I love how others try to guilt people in voting for Obama with the supreme court

Sure the supreme court is important but so are a lot of other issues, that I do not trust Obama to run!

What I find somewhat amusing is I hear Obama supporters, on and off line, about how Obama doesn't need the Hillary supporters. Ok, then why do they push and push his views on to some of us and try to guilt us to vote for him when some have stated we will not vote for the guy? and we made the decision. I have made my decision, Obama will not get my vote (unless Hillary is on the ticket and even then I will really have to think about it and I still don't know if I could actually vote for Obama, I personally doubt it)

If Obama doesn't need Hillary's supporters then what is the big deal if we vote for McCain/someone else or even sit out? Why the worries?

Some people made the decision to vote for Obama, some made the decision not to vote for Obama, some are undecided....big deal, there is no wrong or right. It is how the person who is voting feels!

 

[deelam]

Maybe if Hillary got the VP nod and Healthcare and it was agreed that Bill Clinton would be asigned to work on the economy, I would consider voting for Obama. I think McCain will only get a 4 year term. I don't think he would accomplish much. But in a time of war, McCain might not be bad. The USA will continue to have a millitary presense in Iraq, I don't think Obama will change that. We may withdrawl many troops, but I don't think we will leave.

Not only do I think Obama does not have experience or qualifications to run the country, I also do not think his judgement is good. Maybe a president could manage with little experience by surrounding himself with good people. But this will do nothing for someone with less than stellar judgement. I also am questioning patriotism. That is something I don't question with McCain. There is also a question of trust.

I am trying to keep an open mind. I don't think any canidate will "change" things dramatically in any direction. However, I don't want things to get worse than they already are. I really don't know who I will vote for.

 

[jacksonsmom]

. I think McCain will only get a 4 year term. I don't think he would accomplish much. But in a time of war, McCain might not be bad. The USA will continue to have a millitary presense in Iraq, I don't think Obama will change that. We may withdrawl many troops, but I don't think we will leave.
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I agreed with all your post, but this statement the most.

I believe either McCain or Obama will be a 4 year term President. I truly don't think neither of them would be able to be an 2 term President.

What I find confusing is people actually say they are voting for Obama so our troops will be out of Iraq. It will NOT happen! We will still have some troops in Iraq in 4 years, maybe not as many but we will still be there.

Not ALL of our troops will be home in 4 years, no matter who becomes President. It is foolish for any of them to claim otherwise.

 

[deelam]

I agreed with all your post, but this statement the most.

I believe either McCain or Obama will be a 4 year term President. I truly don't think neither of them would be able to be an 2 term President.

What I find confusing is people actually say they are voting for Obama so our troops will be out of Iraq. It will NOT happen! We will still have some troops in Iraq in 4 years, maybe not as many but we will still be there.

Not ALL of our troops will be home in 4 years, no matter who becomes President. It is foolish for any of them to claim otherwise.

I think we will have a millitary presence in Iraq for many years, maybe 10+. The extremist will target us and hate us for it, like they do in Saudi Arabia.

 

[moon]

Obama is not the first choice of 18 million Americans. Big difference. Edwards was my first choice. I moved on and will fully support our nominee, Barack Obama!
So will most Democrats..they have more sense then to throw Hillary's platform out the window to pout!

There is a big difference between Edwards and Hillary. Edwars dropped fairly early in the race. Hillary supporters feel that shenanigans from the DNC (with help of the media) were used to push BO over the finnish line.

BO didn't win this thing over Hillary on his own, fair and square. That's why is so hard -or impossible- go for "party unity", when we feel the party acted such underhanded and shameful way.

 

[moon]

What I find somewhat amusing is I hear Obama supporters, on and off line, about how Obama doesn't need the Hillary supporters. Ok, then why do they push and push his views on to some of us and try to guilt us to vote for him when some have stated we will not vote for the guy? and we made the decision. I have made my decision, Obama will not get my vote (unless Hillary is on the ticket and even then I will really have to think about it and I still don't know if I could actually vote for Obama, I personally doubt it)

If Obama doesn't need Hillary's supporters then what is the big deal if we vote for McCain/someone else or even sit out? Why the worries?

I Know! It is such a contradiction! First they are dismissive of HS and say ove and over again that they don't need her supporters to win. But as soon as a HS say they will vote for McCain, they jump on them with their "Supreme court" guilt card.

So which is it? Does BO need HS to win or not?

 

[JARNJ3]

Good evening everyone.

I have nothing to add to the conversation today - just wanted to say Hi!

 

[LakeAriel]

But is Obama experienced enough to handle all the crazy world leaders on the verge of getting nukes? I don't think so.

I can't let the fear of the supreme court picks keep me from choosing the lesser of 2 evils.

Bush already has nukes and Obama won't have to deal with him, he'll be out!

 

[chobie]

I hope this comment is welcome here. If not, I humbly apologize...

I don't think any candidate is FOR war and death. It is all a matter of navigating a proper end to the matter. Obama has his way; McCain has his. As for abortion rights, even some of the staunchest opponents of abortion (I guess this includes me) are far less interested in overturning legislation than we are in actually greatly decreasing the number of abortions. To that end, McCain should feel no significant political pressure to appoint judges thirsty to overturn Roe v Wade. JMO.

ETA: McCain supporters are not out to seduce the votes of HS or anyone else for that matter. I just believe that rational thinking through the issues may lead to more than one possible destination.

So, why did he say he would appoint more Alito/Roberts type to the bench? Who was he trying to appease by saying that?


And what about the other issues that are important to Democrats, like health care and gay rights? Where does McCain stand on those things?


Rational thinking would require more than "McCain is not Obama," don't you think?

 

[DISUNC]

Hi everyone!

And what about the other issues that are important to Democrats, like health care and gay rights? Where does McCain stand on those things?"

McCain & Obama have he same excact stance on Gay rights.

This is McCains stance

Republican John McCain says same-sex couples should be allowed to enter into legal agreements for insurance and other purposes, but he opposes gay marriage and believes in "the unique status of marriage between and man and a woman"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/22/ellen-challenges-john-mcc_n_103016.html


This is Obamas stance

Decisions about marriage should be left to the states
One of Obama's pragmatic stands troubling to progressives is on gay marriage. In the Senate debate, Obama opposed the right-wing Federal Marriage Amendment to ban gay marriage nationally and said: "I agree with most Americans, with Democrats and Republicans, with Vice President Cheney, with over 2,000 religious leaders of all different beliefs, that decisions about marriage, as they always have, should be left to the states." However, Obama also declared, "Personally, I do believe that marriage is between a man and a woman." At the same time, Obama has strongly supported civil unions, arguing that it is a way to protect equal rights without taking the politically risky approach of gay marriage.
Source: The Improbable Quest, by John K. Wilson, p.114-115 Oct 30, 2007

http://www.ontheissues.org/senate/Barack_Obama.htm

Both McCain & Obama have Health plans stated on their websites. I dont think either one is likely or doable.

Rational thinking would require more than "McCain is not Obama," don't you think?

As well as "Obama is not Republican!"

 

[chobie]

As well as "Obama is not Republican!"

There is nothing irrational about voting for a party if you believe in everything that party stands for and the candidate says they believe in those issues and their voting record supports those beliefs.

That is not about being loyal to your party -it's about being loyal to your beliefs.

 

[WildernessBride]

There is nothing irrational about voting for a party if you believe in everything that party stands for and the candidate says they believe in those issues and their voting record supports those beliefs.

That is not about being loyal to your party -it's about being loyal to your beliefs.

I agree, I have never understood how being party loyal is so wrong if the party you are loyal to espouses your beliefs.

 

["Got Disney"]

I see nothing wrong with being a party loyalist if you believe that the party is doing good buy you. However it is no secret for years the Dem party has been going in the toilet. I blame the people running it.

That is one reason why so many over the last years have been leaving the DEM party and becoming Independents. I struggled over the last election fiasco's about staying as a Democrat...this time I am out of here unless they make a turnaround. As long as you have HD and others running the party it will get worse.

Your Obama siggy still creeps me out kinda like the clown siggy....

 

[chobie]

[QUOTE="Got Disney";25640217]I see nothing wrong with being a party loyalist if you believe that the party is doing good buy you. However it is no secret for years the Dem party has been going in the toilet. I blame the people running it.

That is one reason why so many over the last years have been leaving the DEM party and becoming Independents. I struggled over the last election fiasco's about staying as a Democrat...this time I am out of here unless they make a turnaround. As long as you have HD and others running the party it will get worse.

Your Obama siggy still creeps me out kinda like the clown siggy....[/QUOTE]

Howard Dean helped to get the House and Senate back to a Democratic majority. I know that is what is making many HS supporters feel good about not voting for Obama.

And, I'm not loyal to the party -I'm loyal to the issues the Democratic party stands for: getting out of the war, pro-choice, health care reform etc.

 

[WildernessBride]

[QUOTE="Got Disney";25640217]

Your Obama siggy still creeps me out kinda like the clown siggy....[/QUOTE]



Aw come on the clown is SCARY...you cannot compare it to mine at all!

I was going to send you a link so you could have one too