Hillary Supporters unite....no bashing please! only smiles

[JARNJ3]

Camel's Back Independents has a nice ring to it.

I'm not ready to join, but I'm also mad at the way the party has handled issues this year. Not sure what the fix is, but I'm too deeply entrenched in my party to take my marbles and go home yet. But I sure don't blame anyone who does. Might be what it takes for them to notice.

Same here. In my state - you have to be registered democrat to vote in the primaries.

"We" just need to take the party back.

Of all the questions the candidates have been asked - they never seemed to get asked - how are you going to "heal" the party?

I have a very bad feeling that some Hillary white collar support will go to McCain - because of Obama's perceived left liberalness. The general consensus is that he's more liberal than Hillary is - I don't know whether that is really "true" or not - but its there. The white collars making under a certain amount - don't like him and will vote for someone perceived to be like "them."

This is NEVER addressed. I think they are naively assuming that all Hillary voters will just fall into step - which is why some supers are trying to close the election out.......

I hate to say it - but I see shades of Al Gore's problems in Obama's campaign now. I hope I am wrong.

 

[JARNJ3]

This was nice to see - from Talking Points Memo

Hillary Campaign: Former DNC Chairs Support Us, Too
By Greg Sargent - May 2, 2008, 2:45PM

The Hillary campaign has hit back at former DNC chair Joe Andrew's surprise switch to Obama yesterday, releasing a letter from eight former DNC chairs that makes the "electability" case for Hillary.

Intriguingly, the letter states flatly that "Hillary can win our Party's nomination." But it doesn't say how this can happen, beyond saying that she's strong in Indiana and North Carolina, that her campaign is pumping at full capacity in remaining states, and that record turnout is expected in them.

In other words, the letter doesn't address whether she can catch Obama in the pledged del count or even in the popular vote.

A couple of the former DNC chairs are already known high-profile Hillary supporters, such as Terry McAuliffe and Ed Rendell. Full letter after the jump.

Late Update: It's actually seven former chairs and the family of the late Ron Brown.

May 2, 2008

Dear Fellow Democratic Party Member:


Democratic National Committee members work tirelessly to elect Democrats locally, and they serve as strong advocates for finding solutions to our nation's most pressing problems. As former DNC Chairs, we are proud to be leaders in a Party that seeks to alleviate the burden of limited access to health care, fix broken systems of public education, improve working conditions for middle-class men and women, and ensure America's safety and security, at home and abroad.

Those of us who support Hillary Clinton for president do so with the knowledge that she, just like us, has dedicated her life to improving the standard of living for others, and she has worked to make our Party the strong force that it is today. Her values are our Party's values. Her record of fiscal prudence is matched by her commitment to social responsibility. Her accomplishments in the area of strengthening America's security are a matter of public record.

Hillary has run one of the most formidable campaigns in the history of our Party. Her wins this primary season are significant -- Arizona, Arkansas, California, Florida, Massachusetts, Michigan, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Tennessee, Texas. Her base of support includes women, Hispanics, seniors, Catholics, middle and low income Americans, and rural, suburban and urban voters. That's a formidable coalition tailor-made for victory in a November general election.

In fact, if the election were held today, Hillary would beat Senator McCain, but Senator Obama would lose to the presumptive GOP nominee. According to the most recent polls available, Hillary would beat McCain by a margin of 279 to 259 Electoral Votes. But McCain would beat Obama by a margin of 291 to 247 Electoral Votes.

In a hypothetical general election matchup with McCain, Clinton is winning handily (50%-41%) while Obama is statistically tied with McCain (46%-44%), according to the AP-Ipsos poll released Monday. In the days following the Pennsylvania primary, Gallup Poll Daily tracking showed Hillary pulling even with Senator Obama. As of Thursday, Hillary was ahead 49%-45%.

Hillary can win our Party's nomination. She is neck and neck with her opponent in Indiana and North Carolina. Both states have sizeable voting blocs that resemble constituencies who supported Hillary by large margins in Pennsylvania, Ohio and other contests.

Years of job loss and the recent economic slowdown mean that most Indiana and North Carolina voters are more concerned about the economy than anything else. Hillary has consistently garnered the majority of support from voters who say the economy is the most important issue facing our country.

Hillary's campaign is currently operating at full capacity in Guam, Indiana, North Carolina, West Virginia, Kentucky, Oregon, Puerto Rico, Montana and South Dakota.

As in states that have already voted, election official are expecting record turnouts. Pennsylvania registered more than 215,000 new voters ahead of its April 22 primary. More than 200,000 new voters have registered in Indiana since the start of the year. And in counties across North Carolina, registration numbers are double - or triple - what they were in 2004.

More than 30 million Americans have already cast a ballot in our Party's nomination contest and millions more will go to the polls between now and June 3. The record numbers of Americans who are registering and coming out to vote reflect the excitement about our candidates and the strength that our nominee will have behind him or her in the fall. The primary process will make our nominee stronger and better prepared to take on John McCain. Our Party only gains from having more voters - including more new voters - all across our country.

We encourage you to continue to fully consider Hillary Clinton and the fact that she is qualified and accomplished. Too much is at stake for us not to consider deeply the choice we must make for our Party and our country.

Sincerely,

Kenneth Curtis
Former DNC Chairman (1977-1978)


Charles Manatt
Former DNC Chairman (1981-1985)


The Family of the late Ron Brown
Former DNC Chairman (1989-1993)
Mrs. Alma Brown, Michael Arrington Brown & Tracey Brown James

Debra DeLee
Former DNC Chair (1994-1995)

Don Fowler
Former DNC National Chairman (1995-1997)

Steve Grossman
Former DNC National Chairman (1997-1999)

Governor Edward Rendell
Former DNC General Chairman (1999-2001)

Terence McAuliffe
Former DNC Chairman (2001-2005)

 

[JARNJ3]

Before I retire for the evening.......

Is it ok to say that I don't care for Michelle Obama? I'm trying to picture her as First Lady and it doesn't quite fit...... Not that I'd use this as a reason to not vote for Obama if he is the nominee.......

My aunt used that as a reason to vote for Bush in 2004 - she couldn't picture Teresa Heinz Kerry as First Lady. I loved Teresa - a women who spoke her own mind!

And speaking of First Ladies - does Laura Bush do anything?

Ok - the end of my ramblings.

See you tomorrow.

 

[DISUNC]

Of all the questions the candidates have been asked - they never seemed to get asked - how are you going to "heal" the party?.

Good point! But I dont think it is up to either candidate to do this. They (more so hillary) have been a bit victimized by the Party themselves. Example of this is Dean telling them to figure out the FL & MI vote fiasco, that he created.

I have a very bad feeling that some Hillary white collar support will go to McCain - because of Obama's perceived left liberalness. The general consensus is that he's more liberal than Hillary is - I don't know whether that is really "true" or not - but its there. The white collars making under a certain amount - don't like him and will vote for someone perceived to be like "them."

This is NEVER addressed. I think they are naively assuming that all Hillary voters will just fall into step - which is why some supers are trying to close the election out.......

I hate to say it - but I see shades of Al Gore's problems in Obama's campaign now. I hope I am wrong.

More so I see a Kerry repeat here.
This was the 'buzz' yesterday on Talk radio, cnn...etc. All polls suggest that the "Reagan Democrats" will go to McCain IF Obama gets the nod.

And speaking of First Ladies - does Laura Bush do anything?
.

Yes she does but its not the 'BIG sexy news worthy' things. She dont get the press like Hillary, Barbara Bush or Nancy Reagan ever got.

 

[DISUNC]

O, No: Winfrey a no-show

"When Barack Obama needed Oprah Winfrey’s help, she delivered. ......But as Obama faces his most crucial primary day in months and struggles to move past the Rev. Jeremiah Wright controversy, Winfrey is far from the campaign trail, appearing more focused on sweeps — not election — season. "

"In mid-November, her ratings were 8.02 million.

By February, following her last public appearance in support of Obama at UCLA with Michelle Obama, Maria Shriver and Caroline Kennedy, Oprah's TV ratings came in at 7.92 million and then topped 8 million again by March. "

In April, well after her last high-profile Obama appearance, her ratings dipped to 5.98 million — but so did the ratings of other syndicated shows, such as "Wheel of Fortune."

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0508/10047.html

 

[DISUNC]

Here ya Go...HILLARY WILL WIN BECAUSE......

Elizabeth Taylor urges primary voters to back Clinton



(CNN) — Actress Elizabeth Taylor urged voters in next week’s Democratic primaries to back Hillary Clinton's White House run, saying in a statement released Friday that the New York senator was “not a flibbertijibbet.”

“It would be magnificent for our country if Senator Clinton won the votes, hearts and minds of the people in Indiana and North Carolina on Tuesday. She’s a brilliant teacher and powerful leader. We all know what she’s about. We know what she isn’t. Senator Clinton is not a flibbertijibbet [sic]. She’s strong,” said Taylor.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.co...-taylor-urges-primary-voters-to-back-clinton/

 

[Chuck S]

If I were Oprah, I'd be worried about the sweeps, too. I think people are having Oprah overload between the "Big Give", her talk show, and her Obama endorsement appearances. One has to wonder, though the article does really state, how much is due to her endorsement of Obama, and the Wright thing, and that she also has attended that church?

Is America’s long love affair with all things Oprah Winfrey finally cooling off?

The ubiquitous host may still have the best ratings, but other talk show chatters are gaining on her when it comes to overall popularity.

The biggest gainer is Ellen DeGeneres.

In a new poll by AOL Television that gauges the popularity of different TV hosts. DeGeneres topped the daytime queen in several categories.

Actually, DeGeneres walloped her.

Asked to choose which talk show host “made their day,” 46 percent of the 1.35 million voters chose DeGeneres. Winfrey placed third with 19 percent of the vote, 3 percentage points behind runner-up Regis Philbin.

Voters also favored DeGeneres by a wide margin when asked which TV host would make an ideal dinner guest. Forty-seven percent chose the stand-up comedian, followed by 16 percent for Comedy Central’s Jon Stewart. Just 14 percent chose Winfrey.

Winfrey won just one of the 18 categories in the AOL poll: best interviewer.

This comes at a point when Winfrey would seem to be at the peak of her career, with a new primetime show on ABC, in additional to her syndicated talker, and her own cable network launching next year.

But what the AOL poll suggests is a bit of a backlash against daytime's top talker.

Is it a case of being on top so long that folks have become weary of her?

Or is it the fact that DeGeneres is that much more accessible, without the do-good luggage that Winfrey brings to every conversation?

For sure, Winfrey is still way far out ahead in the ratings. Yet she's seen large declines this year. Season to date, she’s averaging a 5.6 household rating, nearly a point ahead of No. 2 “Dr. Phil” but down 16 percent from the same time last year, according to Nielsen.

She's not alone. All of the daytime talkers but DeGeneres are down from last year, most by double-digit percentages. But Winfrey has seen the steepest decline this season among women 18-49, where she slipped 23 percent.

 

[Planogirl]

Here ya Go...HILLARY WILL WIN BECAUSE......

Elizabeth Taylor urges primary voters to back Clinton



(CNN) — Actress Elizabeth Taylor urged voters in next week’s Democratic primaries to back Hillary Clinton's White House run, saying in a statement released Friday that the New York senator was “not a flibbertijibbet.”

“It would be magnificent for our country if Senator Clinton won the votes, hearts and minds of the people in Indiana and North Carolina on Tuesday. She’s a brilliant teacher and powerful leader. We all know what she’s about. We know what she isn’t. Senator Clinton is not a flibbertijibbet [sic]. She’s strong,” said Taylor.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.co...-taylor-urges-primary-voters-to-back-clinton/

I'm not sure what a flibbertijibbet is but I like the sound of it.

As for going Independent, I keep hearing rumblings about that too lately. I'd say give the Party time, maybe they'll figure out a way to fix things to most members' satisfaction. And if they don't, I'd say it might be better to repair the Party going forward rather than leave it. Maybe.

 

[punkin]

I'm not sure what a flibbertijibbet is but I like the sound of it.

Wasn't that in "Sound of Music"?

How do you solve a problem like Maria?
How do you catch a cloud and pin it down?
How do you find a word that means Maria?
A flibbertijibbet! A will-o'-the wisp! A clown!

 

[TeresaNJ]

Although I vote Republilcan, I have to say that I love Hillary. I don't agree with alot of what she wants to do as POTUS, but aside from specific policy disagreements, I think she'd be a fabulous president. She is strong, smart, up-front, says what she means, means what she says, and a great role model for all young women. Obviously I don't want her to win in November, but I hope she is the Democratic nominee.

As far as Oprah goes, I was a huge fan in the past, but am getting tired of her "all-knowing" attitude. She's really been rubbing me the wrong way lately. Ellen, on the other hand, I love, love, love. She makes me laugh & smile all the time.

 

[KikiFan]

Okay I'm sure some people won't like me saying this.... but thats never stopped me before!

I keep hearing people talk about how the DNC will be torn in half if we don't nominate Obama. But here's what I'm wonder....

Based on what I've seen and read, it seems like many (But Not ALL) of Obama supporters are people that either couldn't be bothered to vote before or who just became old enough within the last 4 years.

Hillary on the other hand, seems to be supported by mostly (BUT NOT ALL) the longtime hardcore Dems.

Is the party really "torn in half" when a huge percentage of the voters haven't ever really been a member of the party?

I guess the question really comes down too -does it hurt the DNC more to lose the Obama supporters or the Hillary supporters? If it has to be an either or situation, personally, I think maybe the Hillary supporters.

(obviously OS feel differently and I respect that. But this is my POV)

 

[DisneyDad1960]

wvrevy made a couple of interesting points on the Obama thread, but I have a couple of points to make about them and by all means I hope he comes here and explains them to me.

The first one is what is an "Obama new Democrat"? Just want to know what the demographic breakdown is on that because I have never heard that expression before. If it is a younger voter, Senator Obama may have a problem because traditionally, younger people don't vote in large numbers.

Number two is that old time Democrats will not abandon the party in November. Part of that is true. African-Americans are a large block of the Democratic Party and Senator Obama had those votes locked up the minute he announced his candidacy. However, Senator Obama is trailing badly in the white middle aged men vote which is crucial to him winning the White House.
How can you be so sure that they will vote for Mr. Obama in the general.

Michael (a middle aged white man who WILL vote for Senator Obama)

 

[DISUNC]

I'm not sure what a flibbertijibbet is but I like the sound of it.

Being married 8 times, i would say Liz is a flibbetjibberet!!!

Wasn't that in "Sound of Music"?

How do you solve a problem like Maria?
How do you catch a cloud and pin it down?
How do you find a word that means Maria?
A flibbertijibbet! A will-o'-the wisp! A clown!

 

[DISUNC]

Suddenly, North Carolina Is Facing Tighter Race


RALEIGH, N.C. — Just days before the North Carolina primary, the Democratic presidential contest in this state is suddenly alive with a fresh air of competition, as Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton seeks to capitalize on a controversy that polls suggest has whittled away some of Senator Barack Obama’s support among white voters.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/03/u...tml?_r=2&ref=politics&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

 

[punkin]

I'm about to make another prediction. My other one was way off, but heck, it's at least 10 pages back so who can remember that far. The current RCP average in NC is 48.8 for Obama and 41.8 for Clinton. Seems to be 10% still undecided. Since the undecideds usually break for Hillary I predict that Obama will win NC by less than 3 percentage points. Using the same reasoning, Clinton will win Indiana by at least 10 points, possibly 12.

What do you guys think? Am I way off base here?

 

[punkin]

OMG, Obama wins Guam by 7 votes.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/03/guam.contest/index.html

I think congratulations are in order for all Obama supporters. This is one big win.

 

[bimshire]

African-Americans are a large block of the Democratic Party and Senator Obama had those votes locked up the minute he announced his candidacy.

This is not based on fact. Black people in America were behind Hillary even before the campaign got started. (Isn't Bill supposed to be the first black president? )Anyway, they did not line up behind Obama from the get go because this is still the good old USA meaning Blacks never expected whites to cast their votes for a black presidential candidate. Come on, why do you think there is only one black senator out of 100 senators and zero black presidents since the republic got started?

The turning point was Iowa. Black were surprised at the outcome knowing that Iowa is almost a lily white state. That's when Blacks realized that Obama is viable.

Oh well, Guam by 7 votes and the pledge delegates split 2-2

 

["Got Disney"]

Wasn't that in "Sound of Music"?

How do you solve a problem like Maria?
How do you catch a cloud and pin it down?
How do you find a word that means Maria?
A flibbertijibbet! A will-o'-the wisp! A clown!

How the heck did you remember that and of all songs... I must have watched that movie a million times(on eof my favorite) and did not even connect the teo...

Although I vote Republilcan, I have to say that I love Hillary. I don't agree with alot of what she wants to do as POTUS, but aside from specific policy disagreements, I think she'd be a fabulous president. She is strong, smart, up-front, says what she means, means what she says, and a great role model for all young women. Obviously I don't want her to win in November, but I hope she is the Democratic nominee.

As far as Oprah goes, I was a huge fan in the past, but am getting tired of her "all-knowing" attitude. She's really been rubbing me the wrong way lately. Ellen, on the other hand, I love, love, love. She makes me laugh & smile all the time.

I am so over Oprah I agree with the overload. Her show is always so heavy. Ellen on the other hand doe make you laugh...she is very funny. Same with DR. Phil to much of him is to much also...very heavy show. Would like to see more things that happen to the average person and trying to help them instead of all the crazy crazies.

I hear that more and more from Rep that they like her strength. that is a good thing because that could be in her favore from the Regan Dems...

 

[punkin]

[QUOTE="Got Disney";24900035]How the heck did you remember that and of all songs... I must have watched that movie a million times(on eof my favorite) and did not even connect the teo...
[/QUOTE]

My head is filled to the brim with useless information (like obscure song lyrics). Unfortunately, That leaves no room for anything else.

 

[MerryPoppins]

My head is filled to the brim with useless information (like obscure song lyrics).

I'm a huge Sound of Music fan and also recognized it right away. Wonder if that word is in the dictionary? It'd be worth a fortune in Scrabble, wouldn't it?

I love, love, love Ellen. She's my favorite talk show host and the one I'd most want to eat dinner with. Although Rachel Ray would be a good choice if she offered to cook. Oprah is okay...but I seldom watch her show. I'd rather laugh.