Hillary Supporters unite....no bashing please! only smiles

[robinb]

I think "they" (the some) hate Hillary so much - she's the enemy right now. Its ok with them to be "nasty" because they believe she's lost - and right now they want to run her out of town.

I also think they believe all Hillary supporters will then suddenly see the light - and vote for Obama......

I think you're absolutely right on both counts.

 

[Duckfan-in-Chicago]

I find the HC comments about the sniper fire to be the same type of thing Obama did in his comments on Selma, Alabama:

There was something stirring across the country because of what happened in Selma, Alabama, because some folks are willing to march across a bridge. So they got together and Barack Obama Jr. was born. So don't tell me I don't have a claim on Selma, Alabama. Don't tell me I’m not coming home to Selma, Alabama.

Selma March, March 7th 1965

Barack Obama, Jr born Aug. 4, 1961

This is the kinda stupid things politicians have done for years to bump up their creds.

This is a totally different issue than Obama's relationship with Wright. His relationship was almost 20 years and in Obama's own words in his book the very first speech Wright gave had some race issues in it.

 

[robinb]

God Damn America is offensive to me. I am pretty sure it is offensive to the vast majority of middle of the road voters without whose votes we cannot possibly win in November.

Thanks for responding. As an atheist "God Damn America" doesn't quite have the same punch for me. In fact, I SIT DOWN whenever "God Bless America" is played as I find that song offensive and jingoistic.

I believe that with Wright on his side, Obama is unelectable.

Didn't Obama distance himself? AFAIK, Wright is no longer in his organization.

 

[kinntj]

God Damn America is offensive to me. I am pretty sure it is offensive to the vast majority of middle of the road voters without whose votes we cannot possibly win in November. I believe that with Wright on his side, Obama is unelectable.

Do I think Obama will wage a war on Whitie? No, I do not, but I also doubt he can be the kind of uniter he originally looked like when this whole thing started.

It's offensive to me as a Christian. I was taught not to say those words and never had those preached on the pulpit and it bothers me that Rev. Wright decided it was o.k to use deragatory words when it comes to God.

 

[punkin]

It's offensive to me as a Christian. I was taught not to say those words and never had those preached on the pulpit and it bothers me that Rev. Wright decided it was o.k to use deragatory words when it comes to God.

I am not a Christian. It is offensive anyway.

 

[Chuck S]

Didn't Obama distance himself? AFAIK, Wright is no longer in his organization.

Doesn't the fact that he was appointed to a position within the campaign in the first place illustrate poor judgment on Obama's part?

 

[Duckfan-in-Chicago]

Doesn't the fact that he was appointed to a position within the campaign in the first place illustrate poor judgment on Obama's part?

AND it took almost 2 days of the videos to get looped for him to get the axe. He got removed the same day Obama started doing damage control because the issue didn't die and went on all the talkshows (Mar. 14th)

There were stories breaking in the major media at least on the 12th. This wasn't exactly quick and decisive action.

ETA:Gut feeling...if the issue went away on March 13th, he'd still be in the campaign.

 

[crazyforgoofy]

[QUOTE="Got Disney";24070778]I dont get something....why is it that so many Obama supporters on the boards seem to thing that Rev. Wright is no big deal...after all it's not obama saying those words

But ,but but, ....he has been at the church for 20 years, is his moral compass, inspiration for his book, married them, and so on and so on....am I missing something

Over on the Obama thread (I always read never post there) I had to post due to some OS'ers stating that the non supporters that are afraid of how he will run the country are using that excuse and Rev Wright as an excuse when in reallity it is that we are afraid of a black man being the next POTUS...ummmmmm what

I have no doubt that there are some that feel that way just as there are some that will not vote for Hillary because she is a woman...but to stereotyped so many of us together just floored me. [/QUOTE]


Read my response on the Obama thread.

 

[MerryPoppins]

KikiFan, what a wonderful post! I agree with you.

Some Obama supporters will think what they want to think. I am fine with that, if they want to think I will not vote for Obama because I am a racist, fine. Their opinions of me doesn't matter I know how I feel and I know what I am and I also know how I treat other races.

True. But it still makes me sad.

I think that Obama might make a fine president. I'm just a little shaky on the timing. We need someone that we know will be strong this right from the start.

Great speeches are wonderful and memorable. High ideals aren't the same as action. I'm not convinced the man can do what he claims he can do.

He says he wants to change big governement, but I don't see that he's any different from the rest. He says he wants to unite us, and yet I feel we're even more divided.

And I'm still having trouble getting past the minister situation. I know he has condemned his remarks. But I've watched the video clips. The congregation didn't react like they were outlandish things for the man to say. They cheered and slapped him on the back. They hollered out in response. To me that says that a good number of the people in that church agree. Personally, I could not go to a church where the minister had a deep-seated hate for any group of people. I don't care that he has been given reason in the past...he is a man of God. There's no place for that.

I heard a wonderful man speak. He was a Polish Jew during WWII. He was put into a concentration camp where he was separated from his family. He watched his friends die. He saw innocent people, even babies murdered. But he was tough and very smart. He survived. When the war was over, he was half starved. He had lost all of his family. I think we could all agree that he had reason to hate. But do you know what he said? He said there was no room for hate in his heart. Hate had caused everything he'd been through. He says he could look any of these men in the eye and forgive them. His message was that we need to love each other. Remember, but don't hate, because hate is a poison that breeds more hate. Now he travels around telling his story and hoping that people will learn to love each other and not have a "them and us" attitude. He's an amazing man.

I tell this because I don't believe there are any African Americans still alive who have been through more than this man. If he can learn to forgive and get past it, I believe they should be able to as well. It is only through love that things will get better. Maybe that's idealistic, but listening to him really changed me.

 

[robinb]

Doesn't the fact that he was appointed to a position within the campaign in the first place illustrate poor judgment on Obama's part?

I think that everyone has lapses of judgment.

I may be naive, but I believe Barack when he says that he was not in the congregation during those sermons. I don't think that he knew about the insulting and offensive things that Wright had said until about a year ago. I also don't know the exact time line, but I think that is when Obama began to essentially demote Wright. I totally agree that it was a lack of judgment not to fire him outright as soon as he found out about Wright's comments. I don't know what he was thinking, but I think that Wright's impending resignation had something to do with it. That was a big mistake.

 

[KikiFan]

I think its possible. But I am repeatedly told it isn't...... by some in this community.....

So what do I know?

I think it will be a lot easier for Clinton and Obama to reconcile then it will be for Obama supporters and Clinton Supporters to Reconcile.

Excellent - well stated!!!

Brava!!!!

Aww Thanks J and all of you who liked my post. I really meant what I said I think that Obama's lack of experience is dangerous at this time in history.

Can you really not see how an Obama supporter could say the exact same thing, just switching the names?

Yeah you're probably right. There is an element of it in both threads. But I don't think being called a "Kool aid drinker" can really be compared with being called a racist for not voting for Obama. Do you think they're equal?

Hey all I read in another thread that Obama admitted in a debate to feeding the media race questions. I don't recall that at all. But I didn't see every single debate. Does anyone have a link or more info? That is seriously pissing me off if it's true.

 

[Duckfan-in-Chicago]

Hey all I read in another thread that Obama admitted in a debate to feeding the media race questions. I don't recall that at all. But I didn't see every single debate. Does anyone have a link or more info? That is seriously pissing me off if it's true.

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2008/jan/15/debate-transcript/

RUSSERT: In terms of accountability, Senator Obama, Senator Clinton on Sunday told me that the Obama campaign had been pushing this storyline. And, true enough, your press secretary in South Carolina — four pages of alleged comments made by the Clinton people about the issue of race.

In hindsight, do you regret pushing this story?

OBAMA: Well, not only in hindsight, but going forward. I think that, as Hillary said, our supporters, our staff get overzealous.

He was asked prior to the debate and he said pretty much his side pushing the issue was absurd. Don't have a link, but I've seen video. That's why Russert held up the 4 pages because this was going back and forth in the local media there with a he said/she said prior to the debate.

ETA:Would this be considered negative campaigning in mid Jan by the Obama campaign????? Gasp.

 

[kinntj]

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2008/jan/15/debate-transcript/

RUSSERT: In terms of accountability, Senator Obama, Senator Clinton on Sunday told me that the Obama campaign had been pushing this storyline. And, true enough, your press secretary in South Carolina — four pages of alleged comments made by the Clinton people about the issue of race.

In hindsight, do you regret pushing this story?

OBAMA: Well, not only in hindsight, but going forward. I think that, as Hillary said, our supporters, our staff get overzealous.

He was asked prior to the debate and he said pretty much his side pushing the issue was absurd. Don't have a link, but I've seen video. That's why Russert held up the 4 pages because this was going back and forth in the local media there with a he said/she said prior to the debate.

ETA:Would this be considered negative campaigning in mid Jan by the Obama campaign????? Gasp.

Thanks for sharing. Very interesting read.

 

[Dolce27]

I heard a wonderful man speak. He was a Polish Jew during WWII. He was put into a concentration camp where he was separated from his family. He watched his friends die. He saw innocent people, even babies murdered. But he was tough and very smart. He survived. When the war was over, he was half starved. He had lost all of his family. I think we could all agree that he had reason to hate. But do you know what he said? He said there was no room for hate in his heart. Hate had caused everything he'd been through. He says he could look any of these men in the eye and forgive them. His message was that we need to love each other. Remember, but don't hate, because hate is a poison that breeds more hate. Now he travels around telling his story and hoping that people will learn to love each other and not have a "them and us" attitude. He's an amazing man.

I tell this because I don't believe there are any African Americans still alive who have been through more than this man. If he can learn to forgive and get past it, I believe they should be able to as well. It is only through love that things will get better. Maybe that's idealistic, but listening to him really changed me.[/QUOTE]

That is an excellent story that we all need to take to heart and learn from. Hate doesn’t stop hate.

Yeah you're probably right. There is an element of it in both threads. But I don't think being called a "Kool aid drinker" can really be compared with being called a racist for not voting for Obama. Do you think they're equal?.

No, their not equal. Being called a racist is a serious allegation. Being called a ‘kool-aid drinker’ just isn’t nice – but doesn’t carry the same stigma. By the way, I came on to the boards after the whole ‘kool-aid’ thing but that’s been a while back. Haven’t some people apologized for that?

 

[JARNJ3]

I think that everyone has lapses of judgment.

I may be naive, but I believe Barack when he says that he was not in the congregation during those sermons. I don't think that he knew about the insulting and offensive things that Wright had said until about a year ago. I also don't know the exact time line, but I think that is when Obama began to essentially demote Wright. I totally agree that it was a lack of judgment not to fire him outright as soon as he found out about Wright's comments. I don't know what he was thinking, but I think that Wright's impending resignation had something to do with it. That was a big mistake.

I think he was surprised that his pastor was brought into the campaign at all! This has got to be a first.....

I know Bush ran as an evangelical Christian - but does he even have a church? I remember them occasionally showing the Clinton's or Bush I going to church services - but don't recall seeing Reagan or GWB attend ........

I saw Obama on The View this morning. He looked a little uncomfortable when talking about it - and Elizabeth - was grilling him pretty hard. I did feel that he dodged the Don Imus question though - because Imus apologized profusely. I'd like to see Reverend Wright apologize publicly.......

I felt he was sincere with his explanation.

The minister thing does not bother me at all. What it shows is that you just can't say - we're all going to get along - you've got to do something to change the way people perceive each other.

The reason why Obama isn't my first choice is the experience thing.

But I've thought about it today after his appearance on The View - I'd rather have him learning on the job, than McCain with all his conservative baggage. I just don't want to deal with another four years of that........

 

["Got Disney"]

Anyway ... I think that this particular controversy will just be one that we will have to "agree to disagree" on . I don't get why you are outraged and you don't get why I am not.

I am not outraged just concerned to the choice of a mentor. My type of mentor would be someone that is kind and caring to all people of all colors and that would teach everyone how to love and support all with equality...you know the kind of man i mean..a man like Martin Luther King.
not Rev Wright...big difference.

My concern with him being a member of the church is this. Obama supported, both financially and spiritually with his attendance, the views of this minister for 20 years. He has stated this man is his advisor, his friend, and his inspiration for his books. How can that be true if he doesn't share the majority of the same beliefs? For instance, would it be logical for someone to claim that George W. was their advisor, friend and inspiration if they didn't share the same philosophies?

I agree

I think that everyone has lapses of judgment.

I may be naive, but I believe Barack when he says that he was not in the congregation during those sermons. I don't think that he knew about the insulting and offensive things that Wright had said until about a year ago. I also don't know the exact time line, but I think that is when Obama began to essentially demote Wright. I totally agree that it was a lack of judgment not to fire him outright as soon as he found out about Wright's comments. I don't know what he was thinking, but I think that Wright's impending resignation had something to do with it. That was a big mistake.

I have been to many many churches and my favorite when I was a Jesus Freak were black churches because of all the spirituality and energy that ozzed through the walls. I never ever ran across a preacher like that and if i had I would have been offended. If I went into a mostly white church and the pastor was railing about how bad blacks were and what they were doing to our country I would have also turned round and walked out.

Obama and his pastor were very close and Obama new exactly how he was. As for someone that I would want as a mentor, it would not be a white bigot/racist.

It may be harder for persons as your self that are Atheist or agnostics to understand where some are coming from. Do I think that it will make Obama a bad President. No I don't at all. But IMO it goes to his character. I have never known a person that was not a racist, hang around and have as a mentor one that is.

As for Rev Wright this is who he is through and through.....and what he believes. I am sure that those are not just a few times that he has said these remarks. He reminds me of my dad and he had a few choice words about blacks in his last 20 years more than 3 or 4 sound bites.

I understand robin what you are saying. It may also be my age because I grew up with blacks and whites hating each other or at the least have a lot of tension around each other. I was lucky to have a mother that was not like that, she helped guide me in a different direction.

I see in Wright a lot of racial hate and have always distanced myself from people like that. To me people like that are misguided and have no place in my life. I surround myself with people that are good. That is why I dint get Obama....why would he not stay away from a man like that

 

[Planogirl]

I've been mulling over the inferences that anyone who doesn't vote for Obama or is somehow scared of Obama is racist. That is really quite offensive no matter how you look at it. People have lots of reasons for feeling as they do and I don't doubt that there is still unfortunately plenty of racism out there but to suggest that people are racist for not voting for Obama is bizarre.

I feel better now about avoiding the Obama thread. There are some truly vicious people on there (not all) and they are doing nothing but hurting Obama IMO. Let them have their fun.

 

[wvrevy]

I've been mulling over the inferences that anyone who doesn't vote for Obama or is somehow scared of Obama is racist. That is really quite offensive no matter how you look at it. People have lots of reasons for feeling as they do and I don't doubt that there is still unfortunately plenty of racism out there but to suggest that people are racist for not voting for Obama is bizarre.

I feel better now about avoiding the Obama thread. There are some truly vicious people on there (not all) and they are doing nothing but hurting Obama IMO. Let them have their fun.

Just jumping in here to say that nobody over there that I have seen has even implied that anyone who doesn't support Obama is racist. All that has been implied is that this Wright controversy has given some people the excuse they were looking for to refuse support to a black candidate. By no means is that meant to mean that anyone that doesn't support him is a racist.

I thought that needed to be said. We have differences of opinion when it comes to the candidates, but for the vast majority, I don't think race has anything to do with people choosing Hillary over Barack, just as I don't think gender has anything to do with the reverse, again, for the vast majority of people that feel that way.

 

[Planogirl]

Just jumping in here to say that nobody over there that I have seen has even implied that anyone who doesn't support Obama is racist. All that has been implied is that this Wright controversy has given some people the excuse they were looking for to refuse support to a black candidate. By no means is that meant to mean that anyone that doesn't support him is a racist.

I thought that needed to be said. We have differences of opinion when it comes to the candidates, but for the vast majority, I don't think race has anything to do with people choosing Hillary over Barack, just as I don't think gender has anything to do with the reverse, again, for the vast majority of people that feel that way.

That word "some" is an important one isn't it? And it does get omitted a bit too often even here.

Seriously, I could have supported both candidates throughout all of this. This nastiness has kept that from happening.

 

["Got Disney"]

Hi everyone,
first to start that yes there has been posters remarking about voting and Obama being black.

Second Obama saying that he would have dropped the church if Rev Wright did not retire ummmm okay if he says so.

Did anyone hear the dpeech given in NC by Edwards today...he was very good at trying to pull the party together. If Hillary were to take a VP other that Obama than Edwards would be a geat choice. His passion is so passionate in helping people.

Obama was talking today about how he does not go neg like Hillary. Not in those words but he made it clear that he refuses to do neg campaining...well okay

Why isit when the polls go up for Obama they make such a big deal about it and you hear about it on the news but when Hillarys go up it's like well Hillarys vwnt up and thats it.

Even today they were giving much much more air time to Obama's speech than Hillarys speech. Are the networks affraid that if they dont people will start calling them racist?

The media has made me bitter towards then and Obama. And if anyone seems to show entitelment to the POTUS seat it is Obama and his supporters. I still when listening to his speeches hear nothing on issues that have substance.

Today he was going on about people needing to take care of themselves so to lower health care and all the problems smocking and Obesity cause the rise of health care costs. Basically telling them that they are the ones that need to take care of them selves so he can lower those costs. Well people will continue to be people and eat and smoke.

I want to hear his passion and commitment on how he will do things and where he will get his money to make it all happen. That's why I like Hillary she has told us this over and over again. I wonder if Obama did not have 90% of the black vote in the US where he would be today. I mean that's alot of people/voters.

And to the OS there is nothing wrong with me asking that question after all Hillary does not have 90% of any peoples vote in any ethnicity..not woman, men, Hispanic, Asian ,Blacks and so on.

Anyway just putting IMO for the day. I have not read all the boards yet and have not been looking on the polls.

I do know that Obama is back up but it goes up and down everyday for both of them so I am not paying to much attention to that at this time...even if the media is and making it a big deal that Obama is back up higher than
Hillary.