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Women push back in support of Clinton

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080330/ap_on_el_pr/clinton_women_4

You Go Girl!!! <- my tongue in cheek addition to the article!


NEW ALBANY, Ind. - Debra Starks has heard the calls for Hillary Rodham Clinton to quit the presidential race, and she's not happy about it.

The 53-year old Wal-Mart clerk, so bedecked with Clinton campaign buttons most days that friends call her "Button Lady," thinks sexism is playing a role in efforts to push the New York senator from the race. Starks wants Clinton to push back.

"The way I look at it, she's a strong woman and she needs to stay in there. She needs to fight," Starks said at a Clinton campaign rally. "If you want to be president, you have to fight for what you want. If she stays in there and does what she's supposed to do, I think she'll be on her way."

Amid mounting calls from top Democrats for Clinton to step aside and clear the path for rival Barack Obama, strategists are warning of damage to the party's chances in November if women — who make up the majority of Democratic voters nationwide, but especially the older, white working-class women who've long formed the former first lady's base — sense a mostly male party establishment is unfairly muscling Clinton out of the race.

"Women will indeed be upset if it appears people are trying to push Hillary Clinton out of the way," said Carol Fowler, the South Carolina Democratic Party chair who is backing Obama. "If you are going to ask her to withdraw, you'd better be making a strong case for it — both to the candidate and the public."

Vermont Sen. Patrick Leahy last week became the first leading Democrat to openly call on Clinton to abandon her bid and back Obama, a sentiment shared by many activists worried that a drawn-out nominating contest only bolsters Republican nominee-in-waiting John McCain.

Other Obama supporters have echoed that view while stopping short of asking Clinton to withdraw.

New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson on Sunday called Obama's lead all but insurmountable, while Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry said the contest would be reaching "a point of judgment" very soon.

"I don't think it's up to our campaign or any individual to tell Hillary Clinton or their campaign when that is," Kerry, the 2004 Democratic nominee, said on ABC's "This Week" on Sunday. "But there will be, I think, a consensus about it, and I think it's going to occur over these next weeks."

To be sure, Clinton campaign officials concede her path to winning the nomination is not at all clear.

She almost certainly will end the primary season narrowly trailing Obama in the popular vote and among pledged delegates unless the nullified primaries in Florida and Michigan are counted — an unlikely scenario at best. But Obama is unlikely to end the race with the 2,024 pledged delegates needed to win outright either, meaning the nominee will be determined by roughly 800 "superdelegates" — elected officials and party insiders who can back whichever candidate they want.

Most observers believe the superdelegates are unlikely to risk an intraparty uproar — not to mention the ire of black voters thrilled to support a black candidate — by siding with Clinton if Obama maintains his lead among pledged delegates.

But Clinton advisers believe many superdelegates remain at least persuadable, due in no small part to the influence of women voters on the party and in the general election.

"My e-mail is bursting with women who are furious, and it's grown in the last week," said Ann Lewis, Clinton's director of women's outreach and a longtime Democratic activist.

"These women are the volunteer infrastructure of the Democratic Party who've been proud to support Democratic officials for what they believe and stand for," Lewis said. "They are very angry that people they've worked for so hard would be so dismissive of Hillary and, by extension, of them and what they value."

Indeed, the gender gap in most of the primaries thus far has been stark.

In California, Clinton bested Obama by a margin of 59 percent to 36 percent among women. She beat him by 54 percent to 45 percent among women in Ohio, an important general election battleground state.

Obama, in turn, has walloped Clinton among men in nearly every state. But he's prevailed among women in just a handful of places, including his home state of Illinois and states with large black populations.

For his part, the Illinois senator — whose seemingly disrespectful crack of "You're likable enough, Hillary" during a debate with Clinton may have cost him the New Hampshire primary — said Saturday he did not believe Clinton should end her campaign.

"My attitude is Senator Clinton can run as long as she wants," Obama said in Pennsylvania, which holds its primary April 22.

Nine more primaries follow, ending June 3.

Clinton insists she's in it to the end, saying a "spirited contest" is good for the party and ultimately will produce a stronger nominee.

"There are millions of reasons to continue this race: people in Pennsylvania, Indiana and North Carolina, and all of the contests yet to come," she told reporters Friday in Hammond, Ind. "This is a very close race and clearly I believe strongly that everyone should have their voices heard and their votes counted."

Campaigning across the state Saturday, Clinton was greeted by large, heavily female crowds that shouted "You go, sister!" and "We've got your back!" in support of her pioneering candidacy. Indiana votes May 6.

Marie Wilson, president of the White House Project that trains women to run for office, noted that women typically have rallied around Clinton when she's appeared most vulnerable — from the revelations of her husband's dalliance with White House intern Monica Lewinsky to January's New Hampshire primary after the bruising loss to Obama in Iowa.

"Women have always been asked to step aside if it was somehow for the greater good. In this case, Clinton, and a lot of her female supporters, clearly feel that she would make the better president and that it would not be for the greater good for her to step aside," Wilson said.
 
geeze you would think we were voting for the POTUS or something with all that crazyness :lmao:

I have been watching CNN today and it has been on Obama all day. They showed a speech he was giving at Penn State and they had him on for over 20 minutes and than kept coming back to him. Hillarys speech time showed....4 minutes :rotfl:

She is like the energizer bunny ..she keeps going and going and going :rotfl2:
 
The Fact Checker
Obama Overstates Kennedys' Role in Helping His Father

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/29/AR2008032902031.html?hpid=topnews

Addressing civil rights activists in Selma, Ala., a year ago, Sen. Barack Obama traced his "very existence" to the generosity of the Kennedy family, which he said paid for his Kenyan father to travel to America on a student scholarship and thus meet his Kansan mother.

The Camelot connection has become part of the mythology surrounding Obama's bid for the Democratic presidential nomination. After Caroline Kennedy endorsed his candidacy in January, Newsweek commentator Jonathan Alter reported that she had been struck by the extraordinary way in which "history replays itself" and by how "two generations of two families -- separated by distance, culture and wealth -- can intersect in strange and wonderful ways."

It is a touching story -- but the key details are either untrue or grossly oversimplified. ..................
 
You know, that's not a huge deal. It's what most politicians do. They say things that they think will get people's votes. I wish they wouldn't, but they do.

The thing that bothers me is that he says he's different. Many of his followers have been all over Hillary for the sniper fire incident. She was wrong - I'll admit it. But this is the same sort of thing. :confused3 He's got a faulty memory and is twisting the stories to fit his agenda.
 

You know, that's not a huge deal. It's what most politicians do. They say things that they think will get people's votes. I wish they wouldn't, but they do.

The thing that bothers me is that he says he's different. Many of his followers have been all over Hillary for the sniper fire incident. She was wrong - I'll admit it. But this is the same sort of thing. :confused3 He's got a faulty memory and is twisting the stories to fit his agenda.

He's a politician. :confused3 That's what they all do. I don't see this as a big deal either. I also didn't see the Bosnia thing as a big deal. She was flying into a war zone. I am sure she expected to be shot at.
 
I've been trying to check out all of the political shows and pundits to see what they think about Hillary dropping out. With only a few exceptions, I keep hearing that she should stay in until at least June. This is coming from everywhere: the liberals and conservatives, the Democrats and Republicans, all of the news networks. Even Fox News! It seems to me that it's primarily Obama supporters and I guess it would make it easier for Obama. I'm personally glad that she's hanging tough though.
 
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He's a politician. :confused3 That's what they all do. I don't see this as a big deal either. I also didn't see the Bosnia thing as a big deal. She was flying into a war zone. I am sure she expected to be shot at.
I think she made a mistake and I do wish she had addressed it. I am assuming that this could have happened elsewhere or she's just tired or whatever. I liken this to the racist minister stuff; really not all that important in and of itself. Just another thing to consider. :confused3
 
I think she made a mistake and I do wish she had addressed it. I am assuming that this could have happened elsewhere or she's just tired or whatever. I liken this to the racist minister stuff; really not all that important in and of itself. Just another thing to consider. :confused3

No I disagree. Hillary's Bosnia is roughly equal to Obama's Kennedy statements. Faulty memory, exaggeration, what have you. No big deal but a consideration when all else is equal.

Now the whole racist minister thing is different IMO. That goes to the heart of Obama's character and judgment. That one is a biggie; at least for me it is.
 
No I disagree. Hillary's Bosnia is roughly equal to Obama's Kennedy statements. Faulty memory, exaggeration, what have you. No big deal but a consideration when all else is equal.

Now the whole racist minister thing is different IMO. That goes to the heart of Obama's character and judgment. That one is a biggie; at least for me it is.
I hate the term but truthfully I keep flip-flopping on the minister thing. Right now I'm OK with it. :)

I'd like to know more about Obama from someone besides Obama. Just to see.
 
It seems to me that it's primarily Obama supporters and I guess it would make it easier for Obama. I'm personally glad that she's hanging tough though.
Well ... it's all over the Liberal radio shows (Air America, etc). Almost all of them want her out and they want her out NOW. Some, like Ed Schultz and Randi Rhodes, are more strident than others. I can't listen to them anymore as it's the same song every single day ... and I'm no longer in their choir. I used to just leave the radio on Air America in the background and now I tune into the local Wisconsin Public Radio station.
 
I hate the term but truthfully I keep flip-flopping on the minister thing. Right now I'm OK with it. :)

I'd like to know more about Obama from someone besides Obama. Just to see.

I keep flip flopping on whether I can even vote for Obama in November if he gets the nom. Today, I feel like I probably can. Last week I was adamant that he was no better than McCain, so I feel you.
 
Well ... it's all over the Liberal radio shows (Air America, etc). Almost all of them want her out and they want her out NOW. Some, like Ed Schultz and Randi Rhodes, are more strident than others. I can't listen to them anymore as it's the same song every single day ... and I'm no longer in their choir. I used to just leave the radio on Air America in the background and now I tune into the local Wisconsin Public Radio station.
Well I checked out TV only so far. Radio spooks me. ;)

Actually I've been trying to listen to some of the Conservative talking heads on the radio lately. A few of them keep tearing into McCain which fascinates me.
 
No I disagree. Hillary's Bosnia is roughly equal to Obama's Kennedy statements. Faulty memory, exaggeration, what have you. No big deal but a consideration when all else is equal.

Now the whole racist minister thing is different IMO. That goes to the heart of Obama's character and judgment. That one is a biggie; at least for me it is.

I agree - Hillary's problem though was exasperated by the fact that it was disproved by video accounts.

Obama's father's stuff probably isn't.
 
Well ... it's all over the Liberal radio shows (Air America, etc). Almost all of them want her out and they want her out NOW. Some, like Ed Schultz and Randi Rhodes, are more strident than others. I can't listen to them anymore as it's the same song every single day ... and I'm no longer in their choir. I used to just leave the radio on Air America in the background and now I tune into the local Wisconsin Public Radio station.

Ironically, I switched to Hannity for my evening drive - I find I can tolerate the other side's insults of our candidates better than "my own side" tearing apart Hillary.

Randi even interviewed Hillary a few times that I've heard - and now she's just vicious. I know its because she wants to win - but I hope they aren't so myopic that they don't see and prepare for the weaknesses that the other side will exploit.

The Democrats are so hard on their candidates - the republicans always give their second chances and are more forgiving of their campaign errors.
 
An opinion I came across via a link from Huffington Post (very pro-Obama).

Obama was the first to play the race card

Sean Wilentz
is the Sidney and Ruth Lapidus professor of history at Princeton University

Quietly, the storm over the hateful views expressed by Sen. Barack Obama's pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, has blown away the most insidious myth of the Democratic primary campaign. Obama and his surrogates have charged that Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton has deliberately and cleverly played the race card in order to label Obama the "black" candidate.

Having injected racial posturing into the contest, Obama's "post-racial" campaign finally seems to be all about race and sensational charges about white racism. But the mean-spirited strategy started even before the primaries began, when Obama's operatives began playing the race card - and blamed Hillary Clinton.

Had she truly conspired to inflame racial animosities in January and February, her campaign would have brought up the Rev. Jeremiah Wright and his incendiary sermons. But the Clinton campaign did not. And when the Wright stories and videos finally did break through in the mass media, they came not from Clinton's supporters but from Fox News Network.

Although Wright had until recently been obscure to the American public, political insiders and reporters have long known about him. On March 6, 2007, the New York Times reported that Obama had disinvited Wright from speaking at his announcement because, as Wright said Obama told him, "You can get kind of rough in the sermons." By then, conservative commentators had widely denounced Wright. His performances in the pulpit were easily accessible on DVD, direct from his church. But Clinton, despite her travails, elected to remain silent.

Instead, she had to fight back against a deliberately contrived strategy to make her and her husband look like race-baiters. Obama's supporters and operatives, including his chief campaign strategist David Axelrod, seized on accurate and historically noncontroversial statements and supplied a supposedly covert racist subtext that they then claimed the calculating Clinton campaign had inserted.

In December, Bill Shaheen, a Clinton campaign co-chair in New Hampshire, wondered aloud whether Obama's admitted youthful abuse of cocaine might hurt him in the general election. Obama's strategists insisted that Shaheen's mere mention of cocaine was suggestive and inappropriate - even though the scourge of cocaine abuse has long cut across both racial and class lines. Pro-Obama press commentators, including New York Times columnist Frank Rich, then whipped the story into a full racial subtext, charging that the Clintons had, in Rich's words, "ghettoized" Obama "into a cocaine user."

The Obama campaign and its supporters pressed this strategy after Clinton's unexpected win in New Hampshire. Pundits partial to Obama, including Eugene Robinson of the Washington Post and John Nichols of the Nation, instantly mused that their candidate lost because of supposedly bigoted New Hampshire whites who had lied to pre-primary pollsters - an easily disproven falsehood that nevertheless gained currency in the media.

Next morning, Obama's national co-chair, Jesse Jackson Jr., cast false and vicious aspersions about Hillary Clinton's famous emotional moment in New Hampshire as a measure of her deep racial insensitivity. "Her appearance brought her to tears," said Jackson, "not Hurricane Katrina."

Obama's backers, including members of his official campaign staff, then played what might be called "the race-baiter card." Hillary Clinton, in crediting both Lyndon Johnson as well as the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. for the Civil Rights Act in 1964, had supposedly denigrated King, and by extension Obama. Allegedly, Bill Clinton had dismissed Obama's victory in South Carolina by comparing it to those of the Rev. Jesse Jackson in the 1980s. (In fact, their electoral totals were comparable - and in the interview at issue, Clinton complimented Obama on his performance "everywhere" - a line the media usually omitted.)

Thereafter, Obama's high command billowed further race-baiter allegations into the media. Pointing to the notoriously right-wing Drudge Report, Obama's campaign manager David Plouffe accused the Clinton campaign of deliberately leaking a supposedly racist photograph of Obama in African garb, which actually originated on still another right-wing Web site. Finally, David Axelrod trumpeted Geraldine Ferraro's awkward remarks in an obscure California newspaper as part of the Clinton campaign's "insidious pattern" of divisiveness.

One pro-Obama television pundit, Keith Olbermann of MSNBC, fulminated that the Clinton campaign had descended into the vocabulary of David Duke, former grand dragon of the Ku Klux Klan.

(In his Philadelphia speech on race, Obama pressed the attack by three times likening Ferraro to Rev. Wright.)

Since the Philadelphia speech, the candidate and his surrogates have sounded tone-deaf on the subject of race. On March 20, Obama described his Kansas grandmother to a Philadelphia radio interviewer as "a typical white person." The same day, Sen. John Kerry said that Obama would help U.S. relations with Muslim nations "because he's a black man." Another Obama supporter, Sen. Claire McCaskill of Missouri, called him the first black leader "to come to the American people not as a victim but as a leader." Her history excluded and conceivably denigrated countless black leaders, from Frederick Douglass to Rep. John Lewis. Obama remained silent, refusing to take Kerry and McCaskill to task for their racially charged remarks.

Neither candidate can win sufficient elected delegates in the remaining primaries to secure the nomination, and so the battle has moved to winning over the superdelegates. Obama's bogus "race-baiter" strategy is one of the main reasons he has come this far, and it is affecting the process now. But by deliberately inflaming the most destructive passions in American politics, the strategy has badly divided and confused Democrats, at least for the moment. And having done so, it may well doom the Democrats in the general election.
 
An opinion I came across via a link from Huffington Post (very pro-Obama).

This disgusts me. I’d already done research and discovered that the picture of Obama in the African garb came from right wing websites but people believe what they want to believe and of course it had to be the evil Hillary at blame for all this. Never mind that the story breaking out about the photo covered the news and burying the story about Obama’s negative campaigning (false mailers) in Ohio that week. Pretty clever on his part – huh?

Edited to Add: I don't trust Obama and I'm going to have an extreamly hard decision on who to vote for come November should it be between Obama and McCain.
 
Edited to Add: I don't trust Obama and I'm going to have an extreamly hard decision on who to vote for come November should it be between Obama and McCain.
Hillary has made it clear that if it comes down to Obama or McCain that you should vote for Obama:

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/03/27/clinton-tells-democrats-dont-vote-for-mccain/
Clinton tells Democrats: Don't vote for McCain
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Clinton said electing a Democrat is of paramount importance.

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FAYETTEVILLE, North Carolina (CNN) – Hillary Clinton pleaded for partisan unity on Thursday, urging Democrats not to abandon their party to vote for John McCain if their preferred candidate fails to secure the nomination.
Clinton was asked by a questioner in the audience here what she would tell frustrated Democrats who might consider voting for McCain in the general election out of spite.
“Please think through this decision,” Clinton said, laughing and emphasizing the word “please.”
“It is not a wise decision for yourself or your country.”

The crowd applauded loudly.
A Gallup poll released this week indicated that 28 percent of Clinton's supporters would back McCain should the New York senator lose her quest for the Democratic nomination.
That compares to the 19 percent of Obama supporters who say they will favor McCain should Clinton be the party’s nominee.
“First of all, every time you have a vigorous contest like we are having in this primary election people get intense,” she continued. “You know, Sen. Obama has intense support. I have intense support.”
Clinton stressed that there are “significant” differences between her and Obama, but said “those differences pale to the differences between us and Sen. McCain.”
“I intend to do everything I can to make sure we have a unified Democratic party,” she said. “When this contest is over and we have a nominee, we’re going to close ranks, we’re going to be united.”
– CNN Political Producer Peter Hamby​
 
Hillary has made it clear that if it comes down to Obama or McCain that you should vote for Obama:

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/03/27/clinton-tells-democrats-dont-vote-for-mccain/

Along those lines, I was watching her in IN today (or was it NC?), and she was saying that there are differences between her and Obama but they pale in comparison to McCain and that the party will be unified behind the nominee. I thought it was an important statement to make, given the veracity of supporters on both sides.
 
Along those lines, I was watching her in IN today (or was it NC?), and she was saying that there are differences between her and Obama but they pale in comparison to McCain and that the party will be unified behind the nominee. I thought it was an important statement to make, given the veracity of supporters on both sides.
That was in my quote too, but I didn't bold it :).
 
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