Hillary Supporters unite....no bashing please! only smiles

[MyManGoofy!]

I cannot and will not vote for Obama. I will either write Hillary in or not vote at all.

I truly think that for all his talk of change he will not be able to accomplish anything in office because he will be pushed around by all the old heavyweights and those it looks like he has made promises to in order to get their support. So little to nothing will get done - and the stuff that gets done will not be the stuff that the average American considers to benefit them. Which will cause the Dems to lose the WH and (probably Congress in mid terms too). And then we will be right back where we started - Repub controlled WH and Congress in 4 - 6 years. And they will have had those 4 - 6 years to turn the tide of resentment of the Bush years against an ineffectual Dem leadership. Might as well let them have the next 4 years while we take that time to get our **** in order. If we can.

I am not sure why the powers that be did not think more far reaching and long term. Why did they only shoot for getting the next Pres term to be Dem? They should have been thinking of a 1-2 ticket that would shoot for the next 16 years. I think that a Clinton/Obama ticket followed by a Obama/? would have fit that bill nicely. Hillary has been around DC longer - it would have given Obama the time to develop any experience he may be lacking and paved the way for long term party development.

 

[chobie]

Fitswimmer I'd like to reiterate what Mary Poppins said. I've made a conscious effort to always say 'some' of Obama's supporters. I know and respect that some of his supporter have looked at the two records and made an educated decision to support him. I have no issue when that. It's the vilification if Hillary over things that she hasn't said or done that just infuriates me. I know that Hillary isn't perfect - there things she's done that have dismayed me. (Bosnia anyone?) but some of the things flung at her aren't even rational.



Really? I think they are both big issues. I cannot fathom how either candidate thought they'd get away with these things.

Yes, I think the big issues are the economy, the war, health care etc.

 

[DISUNC]

The outcome of a Brokered Convention may lead to GORE being the Dem Nominee!!!!!

http://caffertyfile.blogs.cnn.com/2008/03/25/gore-led-ticket-good-for-democrats/

A Florida congressman is suggesting that a brokered convention for the Democrats could lead to some pretty unexpected results. In other words, forget about Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama.

Representative Tim Mahoney says he wouldn’t be surprised if someone different is at the top of the ticket. He says a compromise candidate could be someone like Al Gore.

 

[DISUNC]

Latest PA Poll

Hillary Clinton 51.5%
Barack Obama 38.7%

http://www.pollster.com/08-PA-Dem-Pres-Primary.php

 

[KikiFan]

Yes, I think the big issues are the economy, the war, health care etc.

Oh those are absolutely huge issues! And they're also the reason I'm a Hillary supporter

But I also think both Hillary and Obama have damaged themselves with the Wright and Bosnia issues. Which one will have the longer or worse impact remains to be seen.

The outcome of a Brokered Convention may lead to GORE being the Dem Nominee!!!!!

I am A.OK with that. In fact I think it might be the best possible solution.

 

[chobie]

Oh those are absolutely huge issues! And they're also the reason I'm a Hillary supporter

But I also think both Hillary and Obama have damaged themselves with the Wright and Bosnia issues. Which one will have the longer or worse impact remains to be seen.



I am A.OK with that. In fact I think it might be the best possible solution.

Yes, they have damaged themselves. But, I still think come November, the war and the recession will be what decides the race.

I'd be okay with Gore too. Afterall, he did already win once.

 

[Par8hed]

I cannot and will not vote for Obama. I will either write Hillary in or not vote at all.

With all due respect, this is akin to taking your ball and going home when the game is not going in your favor.
Don't be shortsighted. You're not only voting for President. You're likely deciding the balance of the Supreme Court and all the ramifications that go with that. Your vote may also determine a chance at peace versus a possible WWIII. There aren't huge policy differences between Hillary and Barrack. Support the Democaratic nominee.

 

[MyManGoofy!]

Yes, they have damaged themselves. But, I still think come November, the war and the recession will be what decides the race.

I'd be okay with Gore too. Afterall, he did already win once.

Do not be so sure of that. My retired Marine Corp uncle was planning on sitting this one out. Wants the war to be over but can't bring himself to vote for a Dem. That was until Jeremiah Wright. My uncle does not have a racist bone in his body (easy for me to say - I know - but it true. One of the most fair minded people you will ever meet in that respect.) But do NOT dis his country. "God Damn America" has him nashing at the bit to go vote against Obama. How many other disillusioned Repubs were going to sit this one out until they were given this years "gay marriage"? And if the Obama camp thinks that Hillary merely commenting that she would not attend a church like that is playing dirty - well as the song says "You ain't seen nothin' yet".

With all due respect, this is akin to taking your ball and going home when the game is not going in your favor.
Don't be shortsighted. You're not only voting for President. You're likely deciding the balance of the Supreme Court and all the ramifications that go with that. Your vote may also determine a chance at peace versus a possible WWIII. There aren't huge policy differences between Hillary and Barrack. Support the Democaratic nominee.

With all due respect - I am quite aware of what I am voting for in this election. It is not taking "taking your ball and going home when the game is not going in your favor" when I truly feel that Obama is not the right person for the job at this time.

Yes - I know that there are not huge policy differences. I feel like Obama co-opted and made slight changes to many of the things that Hillary had already proposed. My problem is with execution and effectiveness. I do not think that Obama will be able to even come close to accomplishing in office what Hillary could.

 

[Hound 109]

Some of us knew from the beginning that he was a politician, just as Hillary is a politician. They have both done things that I'm not happy about, but since I never had either of them on a pedastal, I can live with it. I have a higher goal, that is keeping McCain out of office.

Well said Fits.

Like you, I never set my expectations to high for a politician. It's a recipe for disappointment. ("got hope" indeed.)

I don't want them to inspire me.....I just want them to vote the way I would vote 75% of the time. (or a President do the right thing 98% of the time)

(oh...& don't yell fire in a theatre & stay away from the Congressional Pages....sp?).

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[Hound 109]

Latest PA Poll

Hillary Clinton 51.5%
Barack Obama 38.7%

http://www.pollster.com/08-PA-Dem-Pres-Primary.php

10% undecided. Wonder which way they might break?


(history suggests they'd break 80/20 towards a tough chick.)

 

[DISUNC]

Poll: Twenty-Eight Percent Of Hillary Supporters Would Back McCain If Obama Wins

This, from Gallup, is the first polling I've seen on this question -- it finds that Hillary supporters say they're more likely to bolt to McCain if their choice doesn't end up as the nominee:


http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/03/poll_twentyeight_percent_of_hi.php

 

[Par8hed]

Yes - I know that there are not huge policy differences. I feel like Obama co-opted and made slight changes to many of the things that Hillary had already proposed. My problem is with execution and effectiveness. I do not think that Obama will be able to even come close to accomplishing in office what Hillary could.

And based on that you would prefer a McCain presidency???? You would prefer another Bush term over someone who in your definition will implement or attempt to implement the same policies but not as effectively??
It appears you live in Florida, always a critical swing state. This seems like a case of cutting of your nose to spite your face.

 

[Par8hed]

Poll: Twenty-Eight Percent Of Hillary Supporters Would Back McCain If Obama Wins

This, from Gallup, is the first polling I've seen on this question -- it finds that Hillary supporters say they're more likely to bolt to McCain if their choice doesn't end up as the nominee:


http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/03/poll_twentyeight_percent_of_hi.php

Totally illogical

 

[MyManGoofy!]

And based on that you would prefer a McCain presidency???? You would prefer another Bush term over someone who in your definition will implement or attempt to implement the same policies but not as effectively??
It appears you live in Florida, always a critical swing state. This seems like a case of cutting of your nose to spite your face.

Did you read all of that post of mine you first quoted?

 

[Fitswimmer]

Poll: Twenty-Eight Percent Of Hillary Supporters Would Back McCain If Obama Wins

This, from Gallup, is the first polling I've seen on this question -- it finds that Hillary supporters say they're more likely to bolt to McCain if their choice doesn't end up as the nominee:


http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/03/poll_twentyeight_percent_of_hi.php

Now to me that's a sad sign. It means that people would rather see another 4 years of the same war and the same economic policies of GW Bush. I really don't think that the country can afford that.

 

[Par8hed]

Did you read all of that post of mine you first quoted?

Yes. Three times in fact.



I'm with you Fitswimmer. You still need to support the party nominee

 

[Fitswimmer]

Yes. Three times in fact.



I'm with you Fitswimmer. You still need to support the party nominee

And I have been just as emphatic about this on the Obama thread. The real threat is GW McCain-NOT Hillary, NOT Obama.

 

[MyManGoofy!]

Well - thank you the two of you for coming here and sharing your perspective.

 

[Hound 109]

Poll: Twenty-Eight Percent Of Hillary Supporters Would Back McCain If Obama Wins

This, from Gallup, is the first polling I've seen on this question -- it finds that Hillary supporters say they're more likely to bolt to McCain if their choice doesn't end up as the nominee:


http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/03/poll_twentyeight_percent_of_hi.php

I suspect that the numbers for both HC & BO supporters saying they'll "bolt" will get higher in the coming weeks.

Not a big deal. Always happens. Then 5 long grueling months of a general election (with 529 attack ads) will have 90% of those who stated they'd "bolt"..... coming back into the fold (for a variety of reasons). Granted some will stay home & not vote (just like some evangelicals will stay home & not vote for McCain), but this always happens.

 

[Par8hed]

Well - thank you the two of you for coming here and sharing your perspective.

No need for thanks. After all, that is the point of a discussion forum.