Hillary Supporters unite....no bashing please! only smiles

[DISUNC]

Last night Madeline Allbright, first woman Secretary of State, threw her support behind Hillary.
She was on the Daily Show. She also stated that whoever takes on the role as president of the United States will have to face a world with the biggest mess she has ever seen in her lifetime.

 

["Got Disney"]

This is sad. And if it had been the opposite - white delegate leaving a black candidate for a white one - it would not be met with indifference. Again - sad it has to come to this........

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8734.html

Yes it is but I can understand why he did it. He was very much part of the civil rights movement....and after all that how can he not be torn between what he lived through and who he believes in....

Someone in his shoes has to have struggled so hard to make that decision. Think about it...the first black POTUS after how hard he worked to help get African Americans to this point in time....something he must have felt he would never see in his lifetime.
I think in the end he will realize he made the right choice. You could hear in his voice how torn up about it he was. And he made it very clear that he was being pressured and that others are also. He sis not have to make that statement.

And after all for the most part it's not like he went to McCain....he still in the party. And also I believe if Obama was so different than Hillary on issues instead of soooo close he would have fought harder to stay with Hillary...
Does it make it right...no ...is it easy to understand ....IMO yes.

Yes my friends....That's politics

O and to add...yes ...if a white person used that same excuse it would have been viewed much differently and also the Obaama Campain would be yelling "Hillary is playing unfair AGAIN" stealing the Super Delegates in a desperate attemp to win a loosing battle!!!!

 

[JARNJ3]

[QUOTE="Got Disney";23484407]Yes it is but I can understand why he did it. He was very much part of the civil rights movement....and after all that how can he not be torn between what he lived through and who he believes in....

Someone in his shoes has to have struggled so hard to make that decision. Think about it...the first black POTUS after how hard he worked to help get African Americans to this point in time....something he must have felt he would never see in his lifetime.
I think in the end he will realize he made the right choice. You could hear in his voice how torn up about it he was. And he made it very clear that he was being pressured and that others are also. He sis not have to make that statement.

And after all for the most part it's not like he went to McCain....he still in the party. And also I believe if Obama was so different than Hillary on issues instead of soooo close he would have fought harder to stay with Hillary...
Does it make it right...no ...is it easy to understand ....IMO yes.

Yes my friends....That's politics

O and to add...yes ...if a white person used that same excuse it would have been viewed much differently and also the Obaama Campain would be yelling "Hillary is playing unfair AGAIN" stealing the Super Delegates in a desperate attemp to win a loosing battle!!!![/QUOTE]

It wouldn't have bothered me (well I would have understood) if he made the decision on his own. He was pressured and sort of threatened by them having someone run against him....

 

["Got Disney"]

It wouldn't have bothered me (well I would have understood) if he made the decision on his own. He was pressured and sort of threatened by them having someone run against him....

Yes I agree....it is a shame that some felt they needed to do that . But what was great is that it was announced as such and not made like he did it because he though the Obama was the next messiah.

But of course that will just blow over like everything else. Obama is not winning this race fair...that is the media giving a ride to him. Again in the debate last night Hillary explained herself right to how she was going to do what she offers....Obama went around it as he always does.

I have to give it to him...he is slick. Interesting poll showed tonight on CNN by a strategist...that McCain is showing in 3 polls that he is getting more DEM votes than Obama is getting REP votes....

I think we will be in for a rude awaking when all the REP come out of the woodwork during the election.

They were also talking about how in Texas you can vote for your party as in McCain than go to the caucuses and vote for a DEM...for the one you want to run against your candidate.

I know we have talked about this but thought I would throw it back in.

 

[DISUNC]

This is sad. And if it had been the opposite - white delegate leaving a black candidate for a white one - it would not be met with indifference. Again - sad it has to come to this........

Part of the problem is that some SD's commited too early! They should have waited, then this would not be a issue.

What happens WHEN Hillary wins Texas, Ohio, RI, Vermont & PA????? Do the SD's who switched from Hillary to Obama, all come running back to Hillary?

 

[KikiFan]

[QUOTE="Got Disney";23484564]
Obama is not winning this race fair...that is the media giving a ride to him. Again in the debate last night Hillary explained herself right to how she was going to do what she offers....Obama went around it as he always does.

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Yep and that's exactly what I'm worried about. If Obama gets the nom, then the press will immediately begin tearing into him like a pack of wild dogs. And I personally don't think he's got what it takes to survive that.

 

[DISUNC]

Did ya catch on the Debates that Obama who is the Chairman of a Senate subcommittee on Europe, has not had ONE oversight hearing in regards to NATO & Afganistan, sinc Jan 07. Do to (by his own admission) "too busy running for president "

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/02/27/clinton-camps-highlights-obamas-chairmanship/

This and the fact he missed 40% of the US Senate votes...makes me think more & more..He wants to be President to satisfy his own ego. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

["Got Disney"]

Part of the problem is that some SD's commited too early! They should have waited, then this would not be a issue.

What happens WHEN Hillary wins Texas, Ohio, RI, Vermont & PA????? Do the SD's who switched from Hillary to Obama, all come running back to Hillary?

most likely not...they were talking tonight and stating that by all rights Kennedy and Kerry should be backing her because of there states popular vote but they are not. So they were asking why is it unfair for Hillary's delegates to switch to Obama due to popular state votes but not his...why should Obamas stay but Hillary's should switch over to him.

So the SD fall into the same pattern. If the SD are saying that they are changing to Obama due to popuar vote in there states.....than so should Kennedy and Kerry ...they should switch also...

talk about a double standard

 

[DISUNC]

Yep and that's exactly what I'm worried about. If Obama gets the nom, then the press will immediately begin tearing into him like a pack of wild dogs. And I personally don't think he's got what it takes to survive that.

Forget the PRESS...The GOP will have a field day with him. The tussle between McCain & Obama today was just a 'sneek preview'. And I am afraid to say, McCain was right. Regardless of what happened back in 02/03...the Taliban is VERY much in Iraq NOW!

What a mess!

 

[DISUNC]

[QUOTE="Got Disney";23484648]most likely not...they were talking tonight and stating that by all rights Kennedy and Kerry should be backing her because of there states popular vote but they are not. So they were asking why is it unfair for Hillary's delegates to switch to Obama due to popular state votes but not his...why should Obamas stay but Hillary's should switch over to him.[/QUOTE]

The whole SD is wild. People say that the SD should go with the 'peoples" votes. Well if that is so....then why have the SD in the first place????

Because the States choose how they vote. Many states allow Republicans & Independants vote in the Democratic Primaries. However ONLY REBUPLICANS can vote in Rebuplican primaries. So they dont need the SD's.

So in reality, the Democratic nominee is not always the TRUE Democratic choice. This happened with Jimmy Carter. So the DNC developed this SD system to ensure that the Party leaders have some say in who get the NOM.

[QUOTE="Got Disney";23484648]So the SD fall into the same pattern. If the SD are saying that they are changing to Obama due to popuar vote in there states.....than so should Kennedy and Kerry ...they should switch also...

talk about a double standard [/QUOTE]

I am not sure about Kerry, but Kennedy chose BEFORE his state even voted. A lot good that did Obama there.

 

[meandtheguys2]

Republican chiming in here...

She gave a great speech last night at the local high school, and the hotel staff say all of her people have been great to them. If she were to win the nomination, I would surely consider the options. Not with Obama, though.

Hope you don't mind my posting.

eta: actually more like a libertarian...just registered as a Republican.

 

[MerryPoppins]

meandtheguys2 you are welcome here. We only have a problem with people who won't be nice.

 

[MyManGoofy!]

I think I have it. I think I finally have a handle on why the Obama supporters bother me so much.

They cannot or even refuse to see any negatives to his campaign. For one example, there has been a lot of talk about the "religious revival" feel to his campaign. This has come from many sources and yet those that support him say it is just his opponents being negative and it doesn't have that feel at all. That instead, we somehow think they are mindless and unintelligent in their decision.

And you know what - maybe I do think that a little. Not for all of them - but for some. No one is 100% perfect. I love HRC and think she would do a much better job than Obama or McCain. But that does not blind me to her negatives. It doesn't even make me agree with every single one of her stances.

And yet, you cannot get some (a lot of some) of the Obama fans to even admit that this exists, let alone that it might be a problem for some. I mean - I really do not see their behavior as being any different than what so many have accused the Bush faithful of doing - "drinking the kool-aid" and not seeing flaws/mistakes/negatives.

In any case - in the midst of all this talk of hope - I have this grinding fear that the American public will again make a very unwise choice for our country.

 

[LoraJ]

I think I have it. I think I finally have a handle on why the Obama supporters bother me so much.

They cannot or even refuse to see any negatives to his campaign. For one example, there has been a lot of talk about the "religious revival" feel to his campaign. This has come from many sources and yet those that support him say it is just his opponents being negative and it doesn't have that feel at all. That instead, we somehow think they are mindless and unintelligent in their decision.

And you know what - maybe I do think that a little. Not for all of them - but for some. No one is 100% perfect. I love HRC and think she would do a much better job than Obama or McCain. But that does not blind me to her negatives. It doesn't even make me agree with every single one of her stances.

And yet, you cannot get some (a lot of some) of the Obama fans to even admit that this exists, let alone that it might be a problem for some. I mean - I really do not see their behavior as being any different than what so many have accused the Bush faithful of doing - "drinking the kool-aid" and not seeing flaws/mistakes/negatives.

In any case - in the midst of all this talk of hope - I have this grinding fear that the American public will again make a very unwise choice for our country.

Sorry to intrude, but how many Obama supporters have you talked to about this? A whole bunch of us sent emails to his campaign when we didn't agree with teh negative flyers. So, no we don't agree with everything they do. I don't think he's perfect, I don't even agree with him on every issue. I'm not blind to his negatives. I just think he is the best candidate.

I really wish these blanket statements would stop already, because in the months to come we are going to have to band together and get a democrat back in the White House. Isn't that our main goal?

 

[MyManGoofy!]

Sorry to intrude, but how many Obama supporters have you talked to about this? A whole bunch of us sent emails to his campaign when we didn't agree with teh negative flyers. So, no we don't agree with everything they do. I don't think he's perfect, I don't even agree with him on every issue. I'm not blind to his negatives. I just think he is the best candidate.

I really wish these blanket statements would stop already, because in the months to come we are going to have to band together and get a democrat back in the White House. Isn't that our main goal?

Can you point to the place in my post that I said ALL Obama supporters?

 

["Got Disney"]

The whole SD is wild. People say that the SD should go with the 'peoples" votes. Well if that is so....then why have the SD in the first place????

Because the States choose how they vote. Many states allow Republicans & Independants vote in the Democratic Primaries. However ONLY REBUPLICANS can vote in Rebuplican primaries. So they dont need the SD's.

So in reality, the Democratic nominee is not always the TRUE Democratic choice. This happened with Jimmy Carter. So the DNC developed this SD system to ensure that the Party leaders have some say in who get the NOM.



I am not sure about Kerry, but Kennedy chose BEFORE his state even voted. A lot good that did Obama there.

They were saying that when the SD were brought about it was because they felt that the PEOPLE were not smart enough to make the right decisison of what was good for the country...yet here they are stating the popular vote is what many are going with...not going against there state so I guess they decided that US PEOPLE are not that dumb after all....or just did not want to make to many enemys by voting for whom they felt best represents...

meandtheguys2 you are welcome here. We only have a problem with people who won't be nice.

Welcome I go into the Conservative thread all the time and have been respected in there and not bashed even though they know I am for Hillary...

I do no McCain bashing or Bush Bashing in there but you may see it in here....so please understand. Also I read all stuff Hillary and Obama in Conservative thread and I still hold my respect as to not complain in there about that...after all it's the conservative thread and it is expected

 

[LoraJ]

Can you point to the place in my post that I said ALL Obama supporters?

You said "the" Obama supporters. So who is not included in "the"?

 

[meandtheguys2]

Thanks, MP. I like to read the political threads, but am not up to date enough to participate...seems like I am always a day or two late!

It was fun seeing Hillary last night. Saw Bill a couple of weeks ago. The closest the Obama campaign has come to SE Ohio was Michelle in Athens today. I think the fact that they are paying attention to our corner of the state will help the Hillary campaign.

 

[MyManGoofy!]

You said "the" Obama supporters. So who is not included in "the"?

Ok - there is one place where I did not expressly indicate "some".

And yes - I do talk to many different people. Obama supporters, McCain supporters as well as those that are for HRC. Not all of them exhibit the mentality/behavior. But there are those that do. Are you saying that it doesn't exist?

It is not a blanket statement at all. Maybe a poncho - but not a blanket.

 

[LoraJ]

Ok - there is one place where I did not expressly indicate "some".

And yes - I do talk to many different people. Obama supporters, McCain supporters as well as those that are for HRC. Not all of them exhibit the mentality/behavior. But there are those that do. Are you saying that it doesn't exist?

It is not a blanket statement at all. Maybe a poncho - but not a blanket.

I'm not saying it doesn't exist, I don't know every Obama supporter. The ones I know aren't blind to his faults. But the same blindness can be said for some supporters off all the candidates.