Hillary Supporters unite....no bashing please! only smiles

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I have to jump in here. I am conservative through and through, but I have to say that I am appalled at the way the press is fawning all over Obama. It makes me ill. I am so proud of Hilary, and I thought she was amazing in the debate the other night. I thought, "man, he sucks without his speech writers and his change talk". Put him up one on one against someone and where did the sparkling orator go? Hilary won that debate hands down, yet you'd never know it watching the news shows. My husband who was a very strong Democrat is now going to vote Republican, mainly because he says he feels the Dem party is going the route of a socialist government now where they control every aspect of our lives. He feels this is why Obama has so much support, as many people are lazy and want someone else to do everything for them and hand everything to them. Anyway, starting to get off topic here, but again, Hilary is being robbed in my opinion. If Obama gets the nomination I do believe we are a country of idiots and deserve what the rest of the world thinks of us.
 
Since this is the "Hillary support thread" I will post my thought here.

1st off....I have always supported Hillary....I live in Ny...and just voted for
her in the primary.

However....I think she made a real stupid mistake regarding the
"plaguarism" remarks. She just brought up the "dirty politics" everyone
is just so sick of.

who cares if he quotes one of his best friends remarks.....IMO it just makes
her look like she dosen't have any "real" issues to complain about, and is
reaching for straws.
I will vote for whoever the dem nominee is....but the "baloney" politics
needs to stop. Obama has mostly taken the high road....which is why
he is probably ahead.
Kerri
 
Anybody catch SNL last night?:thumbsup2

:lmao: The opening was the Debate the other night, and how the Press fawns all over Obama.
Then the host Tina Fey did a "Womans News" segment all about why you should vote for Hillary!:thumbsup2 :rotfl2: :rotfl2: :rotfl2:


No, I missed it :( My friend was telling me about it. I wonder if there is anything on youtube about it. It sounds like it was great!
 
I agree it is ABOUT time Hillary blew. I would have blew a long time ago.
It is sickening how the almighty Obama can not no wrong, yet Hillary is always negative.

Hillary could walk on water and I promis you people would find something negative about that! ;)

Obama has a lot of healing to do with Hillary supporters. A little each day I can not stand Obama more and more. I won't vote for McCain but I might vote on the Independent ticket over Obama, which would be the first time ever in my voting years that I did not vote for a Dem.

If Obama does win the nom, he will have to PROVE to me that he can run the country with the "change" he says he wants to run it. So far I don't see any "change" just same old dirty politics and it WILL cost him!

I agree wholeheartedly. I need the proof also. I mean - we just went thru this with Bush - he promised change in 2000 - we got change alright - an economy tanking, and endless war, an extremely flawed education mandate, oh and NO REAL CHANGE TO SPEAK OF.

I hope Obama remembers that there is a Congress (who will fight him) - and a press ready to turn on him once they've sufficiently built him up!
 

This whole situation infuriates me because I personally believe we need a Democrat in the White House. But I get more and more turned off to Obama as the days go by. So what do I do? Do I toe the party line and vote for Obama if he wins the nomination? Or do I sit it out or vote for an independent candidate which feels all wrong to me? The only thing I know for sure is that I won't vote for McCain. :(
 
This whole situation infuriates me because I personally believe we need a Democrat in the White House. But I get more and more turned off to Obama as the days go by. So what do I do? Do I toe the party line and vote for Obama if he wins the nomination? Or do I sit it out or vote for an independent candidate which feels all wrong to me? The only thing I know for sure is that I won't vote for McCain. :(

I can totally relate to how you feel. I feel in my heart that Obama will not be a good president and it will be a mistake getting him in the White House.I think it would cause MORE rifts between the parties and between Americans in general. Although I will say I don't believe he can do a worse job then Bush has done!

I can not stand McCain though! :crazy2: so what do I do if Obama gets the nom? I feel it is SO important to get a Dem in the White House, and in all other elections I have voted a straight Dem ticket. Even those I didn't have a lot of faith in (John Kerry). But something about Obama really, really makes me think twice about him in the White House.

I know Obama supporters say Obama can beat McCain but I really don't think he can. If Obama gets the nom, I can really see McCain as President. It will be a tough climb for Hillary, but I feel she does have a better chance of beating McCain then Obama does.

I know Hillary is down, but she isn't out! I believe she can still pull this out and I pray that she does. Otherwise I have some serious thinking of where I want my vote to go to in November.
 
Clinton never said the word 'boon' for NAFTA. That is what Newsweek felt her postion was on the matter.

I'd like someone to point out where Obama has voted differently than Clinton on trade agreements since he's been a senator.

From his own website:
http://factcheck.barackobama.com/
Clinton Didn't Say Whether NAFTA Should Be Repealed; Just Said It Didn't Realize The Benefits It Promised. Clinton, on whether she'd be willing to repeal four things (DOMA, Telecom Act of 1996, NAFTA and Welfare Reform) that happened during the Clinton years said, "NAFTA, you know, I have said that NAFTA did not realize the benefits that it was promised for a number of reasons. This is not just about Mexico but about the tri partied relationship. So I thing generally we've have to generally have smarter trade agreement that not only have labor and environmental standards which I fully support but really have an ongoing evaluation of the impact of trade agreements."


http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/
Amend the North American Free Trade Agreement: Obama believes that NAFTA and its potential were oversold to the American people. Obama will work with the leaders of Canada and Mexico to fix NAFTA so that it works for American workers.

Does fix mean the same as repeal? Why is his own website critical of her for not agreeing to repeal NAFTA, when he himself has no intention of doing it???
 
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Clinton never said the word 'boon' for NAFTA. That is what Newsweek felt her postion was on the matter.

I'd like someone to point out where Obama has voted differently than Clinton on trade agreements since he's been a senator.

From his own website:
http://factcheck.barackobama.com/
Clinton Didn't Say Whether NAFTA Should Be Repealed; Just Said It Didn't Realize The Benefits It Promised. Clinton, on whether she'd be willing to repeal four things (DOMA, Telecom Act of 1996, NAFTA and Welfare Reform) that happened during the Clinton years said, "NAFTA, you know, I have said that NAFTA did not realize the benefits that it was promised for a number of reasons. This is not just about Mexico but about the tri partied relationship. So I thing generally we've have to generally have smarter trade agreement that not only have labor and environmental standards which I fully support but really have an ongoing evaluation of the impact of trade agreements."


http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/
Amend the North American Free Trade Agreement: Obama believes that NAFTA and its potential were oversold to the American people. Obama will work with the leaders of Canada and Mexico to fix NAFTA so that it works for American workers.

Does fix mean the same as repeal? Why is his own website critical of her for not agreeing to repeal NAFTA, when he himself has no intention of doing it???

Because - he's the alimighty Obama! ;)

The serious answer - because he can go negative - but she's not allowed to....
 
I think that Obama will have to do some mending of fences if he wins. Hillary may be behind but she still gets a LOT of votes and the last thing he wants is for them to drift to McCain or sit out the election.

So Obama is waffling on NAFTA? Interesting.
 
I implore my fellow Hillary supporters to not go down the road some of the Obama supporters have traversed. We must be a unified party and beat the republicans no matter whom we put forth as the nominee.

I know the press has certainly be less than fair in treating this race and I know that many Obama supporters are acting like Hillary is the anti-christ, despite the fact that she is a good democrat. Keep supporting her in a positive manner and remember the main goal is a democratic white house.

Also remember that on these threads we are not actually hearing from Obama but only a few of his idealistic supporters who aren't seeing the downside of the battle for the nomination (alienating fellow dems).

Again I ask, please rise above the fray. I am a democrat who hopes Hillary wins but will gladly support Barrack if so asked.
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I feel that it's necessary to vote for a Democrat too - at least I think I do... I just wish that I liked Obama more than I do.

I still think that he needs to consider trying to get the Hillary supporters on his side instead of disenfranching them. That could possibly hurt him in the long run.
 
I thought, "man, he sucks without his speech writers and his change talk". Put him up one on one against someone and where did the sparkling orator go?

Yes, I couldn't agree more. He does great standing behind a podium reading a speech, but any other time I don't find him the least bit compelling.

I'm just so over him. I refuse to be swept up by it...my dad is a pastor and frankly I've listened to enough sermons in my life.
 
I implore my fellow Hillary supporters to not go down the road some of the Obama supporters have traversed. We must be a unified party and beat the republicans no matter whom we put forth as the nominee.

I know the press has certainly be less than fair in treating this race and I know that many Obama supporters are acting like Hillary is the anti-christ, despite the fact that she is a good democrat. Keep supporting her in a positive manner and remember the main goal is a democratic white house.

Also remember that on these threads we are not actually hearing from Obama but only a few of his idealistic supporters who aren't seeing the downside of the battle for the nomination (alienating fellow dems).

Again I ask, please rise above the fray. I am a democrat who hopes Hillary wins but will gladly support Barrack if so asked.
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Very Well Said.....I agree:thumbsup2
Kerri
 
Clinton never said the word 'boon' for NAFTA. That is what Newsweek felt her postion was on the matter.

I'd like someone to point out where Obama has voted differently than Clinton on trade agreements since he's been a senator.

From his own website:
http://factcheck.barackobama.com/
Clinton Didn't Say Whether NAFTA Should Be Repealed; Just Said It Didn't Realize The Benefits It Promised. Clinton, on whether she'd be willing to repeal four things (DOMA, Telecom Act of 1996, NAFTA and Welfare Reform) that happened during the Clinton years said, "NAFTA, you know, I have said that NAFTA did not realize the benefits that it was promised for a number of reasons. This is not just about Mexico but about the tri partied relationship. So I thing generally we've have to generally have smarter trade agreement that not only have labor and environmental standards which I fully support but really have an ongoing evaluation of the impact of trade agreements."


http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/
Amend the North American Free Trade Agreement: Obama believes that NAFTA and its potential were oversold to the American people. Obama will work with the leaders of Canada and Mexico to fix NAFTA so that it works for American workers.

Does fix mean the same as repeal? Why is his own website critical of her for not agreeing to repeal NAFTA, when he himself has no intention of doing it???

thats because many of his supporters most likely dont take the time to read his issues on line. They like him so they vote for him.I cant figure out why we did not get bit by the Obama bug:confused3

why is it that even the Conservatives can see what the media is doing and how Hilllary is getting a raw deal yet many Dems cant see that?
 
Recent Endorsement for Hillary

For president

Hillary Clinton in the Democratic primary

Published on Sunday, Feb 24, 2008

Listen to her closing words in the CNN debate on Thursday evening, and Hillary Clinton offered a concise reminder of the virtues of her candidacy, and the difficulty facing her campaign. No matter what happens, she relayed, the country will be best served by the Democratic Party coming together and achieving victory in November.

Hard to imagine now, even with primaries looming in Ohio, Texas and Pennsylvania, that Barack Obama will not be the party's nominee for president. The crowds greeting him have been large and enthusiastic. He has captured 10 consecutive states, in primaries and caucuses, in the north, south, east and west, and by wide margins, eroding the base of much Clinton support.

Many Ohioans surely will join the chant ''Yes, we can!'' in the coming days. They may do so thinking about ''electability.'' This editorial page has in mind the question of which candidate would make the stronger president, which candidate is more prepared for all the Oval Office presents its occupant, and the many challenges before the country at home and abroad.

We recommend a vote for Hillary Clinton in the March 4 presidential primary.

Her many critics, in the media and elsewhere, point to the struggling campaign, most notably, the muddled messages. They point to Bill Clinton playing too prominent, and clumsy, a role. Even admirers ask: Does the country really want to go from Bush to Clinton to Bush to Clinton, potentially for 28 years? Or return to the political wars of the 1990s?

The regrettable thing is, too little time in this campaign has been spent acknowledging the past eight years that Clinton has spent representing New York in the U.S. Senate. She has moved beyond those harshly partisan times. She has worked effectively with Democrats and Republicans, even those who once pushed for the impeachment of her husband. She has won praise from the Pentagon for her work on the Armed Services Committee.

Many military officers recognize she would be a formidable commander in chief.

Her resilience has deserved more attention, too. Many Clinton watchers point to her grit. There is something larger at work: Her temperament stands out as one of her finest qualities. Lose in a bid for sweeping reform of health care, and Clinton comes back with a program less ambitious but still substantial, achieving broader insurance coverage for children. The 1990s taught lessons, Clinton shedding much self-righteousness, acquiring the skills to navigate successfully in Washington.

Most impressive is her keen intelligence. No candidate in this race, Republican or Democrat, can match her command of issues, foreign and domestic. Consider health care and education, two of the country's highest priorities. Clinton speaks to each with depth and clarity, articulating, say, the value of universal health coverage or ways to repair the troubled student loan program.

This race hardly has left room for fiscal discipline, amid all the promises and plans. Yet Clinton has demonstrated the most restraint. She articulates an approach overseas that involves this country playing a leading role, yet finding ways to work with others, understanding that issues such as combating terrorism, curbing climate change and opening trade require global strategies.

If her vote authorizing war in Iraq has harmed her candidacy in this primary season, she has been the more thoughtful and honest about the road ahead.

Many people in the Barack Obama camp cite his superb campaign organization as evidence of his capacity to do more than deliver inspiring words. They are correct. Obama can point to impressive achievements in the Illinois Senate. He played a leading role via style and substance. He has made a strong start in the U.S. Senate. Yet there remains so much that is uncertain and unformed about Obama. Bill Clinton was looking for a tactical advantage when cautioned that electing Obama would be a ''roll of the dice.'' There is an element of truth in his words.

For many Democrats, obviously, the risk is well worth it. It is hard not to be stirred by his promises of ''change,'' of breaking tired patterns in the halls of Washington. That said, once in office, the words give way to decisions, and all the fine talk loses its luster as a president struggles with deeds.

One frequently noted virtue of Hillary Clinton is that she is battle-tested, ready for whatever the Republicans throw at their opponent. Actually, she is tested in a more telling way. Neither John McCain, nor Barack Obama, nor Hillary Clinton has much direct management experience. Still, of the three, Clinton has been on the scene in the governor's office and in the White House, alert to the pace and the breadth of the job. That makes a difference. She understands well the unique demands of the presidency.

Obama presents himself as a transforming figure. Actually, his campaign approach is familiar, just as his proposals are more conventional, more candy-for-everyone than he suggests, his recent pandering on the trade issue especially disappointing. He is running as the classic outsider. The truth is, Washington won't be changed in a dramatic way. Partisan clashes are expected, even promoted.

If both candidates represent a certain change, one seeking to become the first black president, the other the first woman president, the country is best-served by the president with the knowledge, savvy and temperament to push Washington forward, building coalitions at the political center. Barack Obama carries much promise of doing so. Hillary Clinton is the more proven leader.

Listen to her closing words in the CNN debate on Thursday evening, and Hillary Clinton offered a concise reminder of the virtues of her candidacy, and the difficulty facing her campaign. No matter what happens, she relayed, the country will be best served by the Democratic Party coming together and achieving victory in November.

Hard to imagine now, even with primaries looming in Ohio, Texas and Pennsylvania, that Barack Obama will not be the party's nominee for president. The crowds greeting him have been large and enthusiastic. He has captured 10 consecutive states, in primaries and caucuses, in the north, south, east and west, and by wide margins, eroding the base of much Clinton support.

Many Ohioans surely will join the chant ''Yes, we can!'' in the coming days. They may do so thinking about ''electability.'' This editorial page has in mind the question of which candidate would make the stronger president, which candidate is more prepared for all the Oval Office presents its occupant, and the many challenges before the country at home and abroad.

We recommend a vote for Hillary Clinton in the March 4 presidential primary.

Her many critics, in the media and elsewhere, point to the struggling campaign, most notably, the muddled messages. They point to Bill Clinton playing too prominent, and clumsy, a role. Even admirers ask: Does the country really want to go from Bush to Clinton to Bush to Clinton, potentially for 28 years? Or return to the political wars of the 1990s?

The regrettable thing is, too little time in this campaign has been spent acknowledging the past eight years that Clinton has spent representing New York in the U.S. Senate. She has moved beyond those harshly partisan times. She has worked effectively with Democrats and Republicans, even those who once pushed for the impeachment of her husband. She has won praise from the Pentagon for her work on the Armed Services Committee.

Many military officers recognize she would be a formidable commander in chief.

Her resilience has deserved more attention, too. Many Clinton watchers point to her grit. There is something larger at work: Her temperament stands out as one of her finest qualities. Lose in a bid for sweeping reform of health care, and Clinton comes back with a program less ambitious but still substantial, achieving broader insurance coverage for children. The 1990s taught lessons, Clinton shedding much self-righteousness, acquiring the skills to navigate successfully in Washington.

Most impressive is her keen intelligence. No candidate in this race, Republican or Democrat, can match her command of issues, foreign and domestic. Consider health care and education, two of the country's highest priorities. Clinton speaks to each with depth and clarity, articulating, say, the value of universal health coverage or ways to repair the troubled student loan program.

This race hardly has left room for fiscal discipline, amid all the promises and plans. Yet Clinton has demonstrated the most restraint. She articulates an approach overseas that involves this country playing a leading role, yet finding ways to work with others, understanding that issues such as combating terrorism, curbing climate change and opening trade require global strategies.

If her vote authorizing war in Iraq has harmed her candidacy in this primary season, she has been the more thoughtful and honest about the road ahead.

Many people in the Barack Obama camp cite his superb campaign organization as evidence of his capacity to do more than deliver inspiring words. They are correct. Obama can point to impressive achievements in the Illinois Senate. He played a leading role via style and substance. He has made a strong start in the U.S. Senate. Yet there remains so much that is uncertain and unformed about Obama. Bill Clinton was looking for a tactical advantage when cautioned that electing Obama would be a ''roll of the dice.'' There is an element of truth in his words.

For many Democrats, obviously, the risk is well worth it. It is hard not to be stirred by his promises of ''change,'' of breaking tired patterns in the halls of Washington. That said, once in office, the words give way to decisions, and all the fine talk loses its luster as a president struggles with deeds.

One frequently noted virtue of Hillary Clinton is that she is battle-tested, ready for whatever the Republicans throw at their opponent. Actually, she is tested in a more telling way. Neither John McCain, nor Barack Obama, nor Hillary Clinton has much direct management experience. Still, of the three, Clinton has been on the scene in the governor's office and in the White House, alert to the pace and the breadth of the job. That makes a difference. She understands well the unique demands of the presidency.

Obama presents himself as a transforming figure. Actually, his campaign approach is familiar, just as his proposals are more conventional, more candy-for-everyone than he suggests, his recent pandering on the trade issue especially disappointing. He is running as the classic outsider. The truth is, Washington won't be changed in a dramatic way. Partisan clashes are expected, even promoted.

If both candidates represent a certain change, one seeking to become the first black president, the other the first woman president, the country is best-served by the president with the knowledge, savvy and temperament to push Washington forward, building coalitions at the political center. Barack Obama carries much promise of doing so. Hillary Clinton is the more proven leader.
 
If Hillary does not win I'll have to Vote for Obama...unless Al Gore runs as in independent:goodvibes
 
If Hillary does not win I'll have to Vote for Obama...unless Al Gore runs as in independent:goodvibes

Nader is running. If I vote for him, DH will definitely divorce me. :rotfl:
 
Nader is running. If I vote for him, DH will definitely divorce me. :rotfl:

He scares me.....who's votes do you think he will take...Obama's ? Seems that since he is Green that that is who he would take from.

Cant seem to see him cutting into Hillarys. I hope not....what do you think??? I know Hillary is "Green" on some issues do you think he is coming in to draw from her because he wants Obams?

I started laughing at Obama saying that Nader is just coming in becuase it is "all about him"...as in it's all about Nader...I said out loud...looks who's talking. Obama seems to always be walking around with his nose in the air :snooty:
 
[QUOTE="Got Disney";23420930]He scares me.....who's votes do you think he will take...Obama's ? Seems that since he is Green that that is who he would take from.

Cant seem to see him cutting into Hillarys. I hope not....what do you think??? I know Hillary is "Green" on some issues do you think he is coming in to draw from her because he wants Obams?

I started laughing at Obama saying that Nader is just coming in becuase it is "all about him"...as in it's all about Nader...I said out loud...looks who's talking. Obama seems to always be walking around with his nose in the air :snooty:[/QUOTE]

I doubt whatever votes he takes will be statistically significant...... He's not going to affect the race at all - my prediction......
 
Seems to me that it is rediculous that he is doing it. Maybe he just wants to be remembered as the man that came in during such a time in History.
 
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