Hillary supporters Unit #3 ..yes we are still here!

[moon]

So, if during eletion season, they are inviting Senator Hillary, why didn't they invite a Republican Senator. If the invited VP Candiate Palin, why didn't they invite VP Candidate Biden. It really seem liek a breech orboth common courtesy and politcal protocol. I think Hillary was correct in declining. I'd feel the same way if it was Biden and a Republican senator.

I was typing something similar before reading this. I find the whole thing specious, just deceptive.

 

[punkin]

See, I'm not looking it as it must be both VP candidates, ect... I'm looking at it as the cause that's there to be supported and not who's who of politics. If they support it than they, everyone political, should stand up and show that we are Americans supporting this cause. Isn't that what they're trying to do by having it bi-partisan? Show that this is a greater cause to stand up for regardless if you are a Dem or a Repub?

I guess I’m saying: people are tying to make the who’s who of politics attending more important then the actual cause itself and I disagree with that.

OK, I agree with you in principle, but it is naive to think that everything Hillary does is not watched and analyzed to death by both presidential campaigns. Biden can do it, Hillary can't.

ChuckS: I don't know who else is going to be there, but Clinton is a NY senator and I think that's why she was invited. I wonder if Schumer (sp?) is going to be there too? He has no reason not to go. Only Hillary has to tap dance around Obama's ego.

 

[punkin]

I just read that Hillary was blindsided, never even told that SP would be there. They (Hillary and her staff) found out about it from the press. How could she then trust any agreement she'd ask for to be met? The orgamizers were less than honest, and she had every right to cancel over it.

Why invite both of them? Why not invite SP and Biden? Why not invite Hillary and some other Republican Senator, or some other Rep from NY?

The motives seem fishy. I think the whole thing stinks to high heaven. Hillary had enough reason to cancel just because their lack of disclosure, and IMO a very smart move for her to do so.

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Now this is a very personal vent of mine, reflecting my feelings only

I -for one- don't want to see them together. Don't want to know of them appearing at the same events. this is JMO, but it legitimizes SP choice as VP it would make it seem like Hillary and SP are "equals". SP is light years away from being even close to Hillary, and rightly or wrongly, the tought of both of them together in any way, shape or form irks me.

I once said that Obama wasn't qualified to carry Al Gore's briefcase. I feel the same about SP and HC. Sarah Palin isn't qualified to carry Hillary Clinton's briefcase.

Rant over.

I did not know Hillary wasn't told. That is rather fishy.

Oh, and you are right, Palin is not worthy of carrying Hillary's briefcase...then again, neither is Obama.

 

[beachblanket]

I still believe that it’s a negative on Hillary. It screams that she’s unable to support a cause just because a political opponent of who she is backing is there. To me, it seems childish. Hillary’s people just need to tell the organizers that Hillary’s there to support the cause and there will be no photo op’s with Palin. You set ground rules such as that before you appear and then show up to offer your support and there’s no photo’s flying around the internet after it's over stating that Clinton and Palin are now BFF’s.

You hit the nail on the head. Hillary could have easily worked out a way to appear at the same event as an "opponent" without it becoming a catfight. For Heaven's sake, Obama and McCain did that on 9/11. My, memories are short around here....

Trust me, the New York press -- which yes was probably hoping for catfight -- is going to make up for it by having a field day with Hillary.

I think in this case, it is the better part of valor to back out. I also don't think it will seriously influence the Jewish vote.

WIth all due respect, anyone who thinks Jews "won't care" clearly doesn't know that universe. Take that faith for granted at your own risk. Exhibit A: a huge number of retired Tri-State area Jews live in a critical battleground state called FLORIDA.

 

[Chuck S]

ChuckS: I don't know who else is going to be there, but Clinton is a NY senator and I think that's why she was invited. I wonder if Schumer (sp?) is going to be there too? He has no reason not to go. Only Hillary has to tap dance around Obama's ego.

But Palin is not from NY, she is VP candidate, and certainly would not have been invited if she had NOT been a VP Candidate. It is still an incredible breech of courtesy and protocol.

 

[moon]

I'm not saying that she should "shore up her credentials with the Jewish community". I'm saying that if this is a cause that she stands for and supports than she should show up and offer her support. I still think she looks childish for not willing to be at the same even as Sarah Palin. Again, she doesn't need to have photo ops with Sarah or even shake her hand but geeze - two people from opposite sides supporting a bi-partisan event? There's nothing wrong with that. If it was a Republican based even - then yes, I doubt, nor would I expect, any Democrat to show up. And yes, I still support Hillary Clinton but no, I don't think she made the correct choice in this. I thinks she comes off looking petty.

In an ideal world it would be that way, but the reality is that they are all politicians, this is an election year, and everything they do or say can be used by the opponent. Two months before election day that all they are thinking about, and measuring every move.

 

[Dolce27]

You hit the nail on the head. Hillary could have worked out a way to appear at the same event as an "opponent" without it becoming a catfight. For Heaven's sake, Obama and McCain did that on 9/11. God, memories are short around here....

Trust me, the New York press -- which yes was probably hoping for catfight -- is going to make up for it by having a field day with Hillary.

Totally agree. I understand the point that everyone else is making but 1) Hillary is the senator of this state and 2) (most importantly) she had already accepted the invitation and the only reason for bailing out is Sarah Palin.

This just makes Hillary look bad because she finds it more important to not be seen with Palin than she finds it to show up and show her support for this cause.

There could have been ground rules implemented with the organizers to be certain that there weren't things like photo ops between the two. Things could have been arranged to where the two were there showing their support but never showing their support together.

 

[moon]

You hit the nail on the head. Hillary could have easily worked out a way to appear at the same event as an "opponent" without it becoming a catfight. For Heaven's sake, Obama and McCain did that on 9/11. My, memories are short around here....

Obama and McCain are running for office. Not a valid comparison

ETA: Did you know she wasn't even told Palin would be there? She found out through the press? After that, nothing can be "easily worked out"

WIth all due respect, anyone who thinks Jews "won't care" clearly doesn't know that universe. Take that faith for granted at your own risk. Exhibit A: a huge number of retired Tri-State area Jews live in a critical battleground state called FLORIDA.

Then it'd be a shame that all Hillary's work over the years could be overshadowed by one rally, esp when you take into account SP's church stand on jews

Regardless, we'll find out if this has any effect in a couple of months

 

[Chuck S]

Totally agree. I understand the point that everyone else is making but 1) Hillary is the senator of this state and 2) (most importantly) she had already accepted the invitation and the only reason for bailing out is Sarah Palin.

This just makes Hillary look bad because she finds it more important to not be seen with Palin than she finds it to show up and show her support for this cause.

There could have been ground rules implemented with the organizers to be certain that there weren't things like photo ops between the two. Things could have been arranged to where the two were there showing their support but never showing their support together.

Personally, I think it makes the organization look politically biased at less than 2 months from election having one VP candidate attend and not the other. Again, they (the organization) ignored common courtesy and protocol.

 

[moon]

I did not know Hillary wasn't told. That is rather fishy.

Completely underhanded. That alone was enough to cancel

Oh, and you are right, Palin is not worthy of carrying Hillary's briefcase...then again, neither is Obama.

Oh, ITA, ITA!

 

[punkin]

WIth all due respect, anyone who thinks Jews "won't care" clearly doesn't know that universe. Take that faith for granted at your own risk. Exhibit A: a huge number of retired Tri-State area Jews live in a critical battleground state called FLORIDA.

Oh I definitely "know that universe." I would even say I know that universe intimately.

Anyway, Jews do care about actual and/or perceived slights. You are right about that. It is our heritage after years of persecution. However, Hillary was put in an untenable situation and made the best decision she could under the circumstances. She has enough credibility with the Jewish community in NY for them to overlook this.

 

["Got Disney"]

Fine. You are now officially my Tax and Health guru.

If we appoint a SOW, do we have to put lipstick on her?

only if she is a pig

Given the nature of the rally and the critical voting segment behind it, this was IMHO not a good call by Hillary:

Clinton Cancels Rally Appearance After Learning Palin Invited
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/17/clinton-blindsided-palin/

They have said on the news that she droped out because the event was not to be a political standing. The media agrees with her saying it was a good idea.

So, if during election season, they are inviting Senator Hillary, why didn't they invite a Republican Senator? If they invited VP Candidate Palin, why didn't they invite VP Candidate Biden? It really seems like a breech of both common courtesy and political protocol. I think Hillary was correct in declining. I'd feel the same way if it was Biden and a Republican senator.

ITA with this

 

[beachblanket]

She has enough credibility with the Jewish community in NY for them to overlook this.

Irrespective of whether that's true, it's irrelevant since NY isn't a battleground state. The real question is with older Jews (read: veterans of the era when was Israel was born and consequently still focused on its endless fight for survival) in key battlegrounds like Florida.

Again, IMHO taking that "never forget" populaton for granted may be asking for trouble. Especially if the opposition stands with them at a key, emotional moment.

 

["Got Disney"]

gee with all this emphasis on Hillary you would think she was the VP maybe she needs to disappear like Biden has.

If the Obama campaign feels like Hillary is such an important asset to his campaign than he should have picked her as his number #1.....

HMMMM but he didn't did he......there loose McCains win.

 

[moon]

[QUOTE="Got Disney";27641911]gee with all this emphasis on Hillary you would think she was the VP maybe she needs to disappear like Biden has.

[/QUOTE]

Seriously. I've long believed she needs to take time off to herself


And the "never forget population" won't forget years of aid and support. Compare that to having never, ever done anything to help them, then showing up at a rally when she's running for office and needs them and their votes.....her motives are pretty transparent and obvious.

 

[punkin]

Seriously. I've long believed she needs to take time off to herself


And the "never forget population" won't forget years of aid and support. Compare that to having never, ever done anything to help them, then showing up at a rally when she's running for office and needs them and their votes.....her motives are pretty transparent and obvious.

To be fair, it's not like she needed the Jewish vote to become Governor of Alaska but you are right in that Jews won't forget. Hillary is 100% safe in her senate seat and that is what matters to her now. Now, will Jews come out and support Obama in Florida? That remains to be seen. He is courting and pandering, but overall, many Jews, especially the more observant ones are very skeptical. In any event, this little contretemps will not influence anyone's vote for or against Obama.

 

["Got Disney"]

well another day closer to voting....I'll tell you some supporters are just plain crazy people...the stuff they will day or do amazes me

They just said on the news that 77% of Obama's Adds have been negative compared to 56% of Mccain's....since the Republican convention...

so ...so much for the OS saying how Neg McCain is and that Obama has been less. And so much for Obama saying he won't go there.

But of course the OS will sy he has no choice....but IMO he does...he can stick it to McCain with the facts and not the crap and insults.

 

[Brianne]

Peeking in here for a second...

Thought you guys might like to see this video Hillary made with Joe Biden yesterday. She was great!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0h1pLEqI3Pw

 

["Got Disney"]

Peeking in here for a second...

Thought you guys might like to see this video Hillary made with Joe Biden yesterday. She was great!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0h1pLEqI3Pw

Thanks Brianne I am listening to it

 

[Brianne]

You're welcome.