High operating costs will kill FP+

[Angel Ariel]

And can you really say for a fact-if CA removed Carsland and Soarin that TSM wouldn't become a tougher ticket?

I only have time to respond to this for the moment. I was at DCA 3 years in a row from 2009-2011 - all before Carsland opened. TSMM always had a shorter wait there than at DHS,.and it has never had FP. Carsland made RD to TSMM a lot better, but waits there as a whole weren't as bad as DHS even before Carsland.

As far as Soarin goes, it has never been as much of a draw in CA as it is in Epcot. I think its pretty well established it has never been as popular there...perhaps because it is a locals park and the concept of flying over their own state isn't as big of a deal (reasoning is my supposition, but supposition I have seen many others on the DLR board echo.)

I don't dispute that those things being in the park help TSMM's waits there - they do. I just don't think they are the sole (or even main) cause.

And further, if you think it's just no height requirement attractions that keep TSM in CA less busy-then removing Soarin, Carsland, TOT and CA Screamin wouldn't make TSM a tougher ticket as well?

I never said it was "just" no height requirement attractions that keep lines down. I said that adding a single, height requirement ride isn't going to vastly change the demand for TSMM because there is still a dearth of rides at DHS. I have never been trying to say that DHS *only* needs non-height requirement rides, so if that's what you think I've been saying then there's been a misunderstanding. A good eticket height requirement is never bad, but there *also* need to be family friendly rides. It shouldnt be one or the other..both are needed desperately there.

 

[minnie-apple-mouse]

I don't know about that. With the Hogwarts express, they gave guests the incentive to buy park hoppers tickets. So they increased the revenue and avoided the expense of creating a whole new park. Also, where would they put a 3rd park?

That's a major draw for me with WDW. All of that land and it's all so green and lush. I love that WDW is like being in a large botanical garden.

Thats some good points-very clever, I guess I meant for me I would prefer a 3rd park as HP (similar to liking 4 parks at WDW over 2 at DL even if they have 25 rides in each). Not extra micro lands in 2 parks-not for pricing and forcing attendance numbers up-but it would just be super cool. And yes too bad they don't have WDW's ability to expand.

 

[minnie-apple-mouse]

I never said it was "just" no height requirement attractions that keep lines down. I said that adding a single, height requirement ride isn't going to vastly change the demand for TSMM

I said that-you agreed.

Again-adding 2 E-Tickets (Soarin and Rad Racers) and 18 more rides like in CA will help TSM madness-agreed.

 

[FlipHipster]

Yeah, I agree it is easier to explain to a guest, put your park ticket into the machine and it'll spit out a ticket that gives you a return time. As opposed to, create an account 60 days prior to coming, pick the parks you want to go to in 60+10 days, and select the 3 rides you want, pay attention to tiers too...

For first time guests or those who don't know about FP+, it will be hard. But for rides other than Toy Story and Soarin', I think if they get to the park and make the FP+ reservations there, that will be better for Disney than going from paper FP kiosk and 2 hours later another kiosk. They can now go shop/eat/spend money in the park and no run around.

If you are looking at it from an operating cost though, these first time/non-FP+ guests already spent the money on their trip, Disney can and does say, Oh well, you're SOL but here are some other options that we think you'll enjoy. These guests won't know any better that they got Muppets instead of Toy Story. For repeat guests or those who know FP+, it'll work and Disney saved the money there and that's what they want.

Ultimately first time guests shouldn't even have to worry about it. Disney has a system that could guarantee them an "experience". They should be able to check a few boxes and get an itinerary. The more you go the more you do, the better they can get inside your head and pretty soon you won't even have to book your trip. It will book itself.

 

[Suvadoo]

Ultimately first time guests shouldn't even have to worry about it. Disney has a system that could guarantee them an "experience". They should be able to check a few boxes and get an itinerary. The more you go the more you do, the better they can get inside your head and pretty soon you won't even have to book your trip. It will book itself.

Maybe after that, you won't even be required to go on your WDW vacation. Disney will send you a film starring your family on your simulated vacation!

 

[RSWA2]

Are you sure you don't work for Disney. You are a true mercenary for money. Excellent point... I'm sad to say.

haha, it would probably be fun in retirement or something since FL has no state income tax. I did try before though, but they don't pay enough in my field and based some other articles I've read, they don't pay enough in most fields of work. Their benefits are also only average. I'm guessing their best perk is that you can say you work for Disney.

 

[FlipHipster]

Maybe after that, you won't even be required to go on your WDW vacation. Disney will send you a film starring your family on your simulated vacation!

I was only 1/2 joking. Disney is all about user experience and MM+ is all about controlling that UX. I don't get too caught up in the technical issues. Crappy interfaces and glitchy bands will get fixed because they can be, its "low hanging fruit". The app isn't perfect but it's way better than it was last fall. I haven't seen a massive "bands aren't working" thread in a while. I think Iger put the smackdown on 'em last year.

For us all the appts. didn't work well, we had ~2 ADR's/day for 8 days on top of FP+. We got a lot done but it was more stressful worrying about what time it was, playing the ADR 24hr notice game, when is our next FP? Our solution was to dump ADR's so we can focus on the attractions which is really why we are there. Without ADR's we need a kitchen which works better for us anyway, everyone gets a bedroom and we are still "on property" with 2 cars. I'll take the trade for 30day booking window if I can pick the week we go.

So no more parkside deluxe, no more/only a few ADR's. Ironically FP+ makes it easier for us to accomplish this if 30day availability is decent and they don't wreck SB. Don't even get me started about how much money we just freed up in the budget to spend 2-3 days on the darkside.

Personally I believe the bands will work just fine and will be a hit. If guest satisfaction is really 90% with scheduling reservations then it's on, user experience and all that. Resorts will be busting at the seams, minivans lining I4 1/2 way to Daytona.

 

[FlipHipster]

haha, it would probably be fun in retirement or something since FL has no state income tax. I did try before though, but they don't pay enough in my field and based some other articles I've read, they don't pay enough in most fields of work. Their benefits are also only average. I'm guessing their best perk is that you can say you work for Disney.

I've heard this a lot, that's too bad. Maybe Dorsey can help them figure out how it works. It would be fun as hell to play with this stuff.

 

[johde]

Thats some good points-very clever, I guess I meant for me I would prefer a 3rd park as HP (similar to liking 4 parks at WDW over 2 at DL even if they have 25 rides in each). Not extra micro lands in 2 parks-not for pricing and forcing attendance numbers up-but it would just be super cool. And yes too bad they don't have WDW's ability to expand.

There are nice things about both the WDW and the DL models. WDW is my "home park" and so far I've made one trip to Disneyland. This was in 2011 during the Carsland/DCA construction and revitalization. I really enjoyed my trip. Most of my trip I stayed at the Villas at Disney's Grand Californian Resort. I could get a room there the first couple of night because of the half marathon.

People talk about the Contemporary and the Boardwalk being walking distance to the park. Those don't hold a candle to staying at the Grand Californian. It was wonderful to be able to ride Grizzy River Rapids and if you were the one who got soaked, in 15-20 minutes I could go back to my room, change, and be back in the park again.

Yes there were thing like the Safari I missed.

I've not stayed onsite at Universal yet. But going from park to park is nearly as easy. This trip I'm planning a mostly non-Disney trip with a 1 day/4 park WDW fix. Next trip I'll reverse it and do mostly Disney with 1 Universal day. In planning my day, I'm figuring an hour to get from park to park. At Universal or Disneyland, it's a 5 minute walk, or in the case of Universal a 7 minute train ride + wait time.

As far as making HP it's own park, I can see from a HP geekiness factor it would be cool. From a business perspective, what they have done is the best decision. Attendance at the Universal parks had been slumping since IOA opened between 9/11 in 2001, Charlie and Frances in 2004, and then Disney's introduction MYW tickets in 2005. Attendance at IOA had dropped to 4.2 million visitors in 2009 the year before WWOHP opened. Now, the park has been doing 8 million visitors the last 2 years. WWOHP revitalized that park the same way Carsland revitalized DCA even more so.

 

[Suvadoo]

There are nice things about both the WDW and the DL models. WDW is my "home park" and so far I've made one trip to Disneyland. This was in 2011 during the Carsland/DCA construction and revitalization. I really enjoyed my trip. Most of my trip I stayed at the Villas at Disney's Grand Californian Resort. I could get a room there the first couple of night because of the half marathon.

People talk about the Contemporary and the Boardwalk being walking distance to the park. Those don't hold a candle to staying at the Grand Californian. It was wonderful to be able to ride Grizzy River Rapids and if you were the one who got soaked, in 15-20 minutes I could go back to my room, change, and be back in the park again.

Yes there were thing like the Safari I missed.

I've not stayed onsite at Universal yet. But going from park to park is nearly as easy. This trip I'm planning a mostly non-Disney trip with a 1 day/4 park WDW fix. Next trip I'll reverse it and do mostly Disney with 1 Universal day. In planning my day, I'm figuring an hour to get from park to park. At Universal or Disneyland, it's a 5 minute walk, or in the case of Universal a 7 minute train ride + wait time.

As far as making HP it's own park, I can see from a HP geekiness factor it would be cool. From a business perspective, what they have done is the best decision. Attendance at the Universal parks had been slumping since IOA opened between 9/11 in 2001, Charlie and Frances in 2004, and then Disney's introduction MYW tickets in 2005. Attendance at IOA had dropped to 4.2 million visitors in 2009 the year before WWOHP opened. Now, the park has been doing 8 million visitors the last 2 years. WWOHP revitalized that park the same way Carsland revitalized DCA even more so.

Next trip will be my first visit to Universal and I'm really looking forward to it. I love the HP books. The movies, not so much only because a lot of the details are missing.
Anyway, you're planning the 4 parks in 1 day, so here are my questions:

What time are your starting and ending the day?
What's the order of park visits?
Which park are you FP+ reserving?
Are you using Disney busses or your own transportation?

 

[johde]

Next trip will be my first visit to Universal and I'm really looking forward to it. I love the HP books. The movies, not so much only because a lot of the details are missing.
Anyway, you're planning the 4 parks in 1 day, so here are my questions:

What time are your starting and ending the day?
What's the order of park visits?
Which park are you FP+ reserving?
Are you using Disney busses or your own transportation?

I'm leaning towards Disney transportation. Since I'm doing Universal and Busch Gardens, thrill rides are not high a high priority unless they have "something special". Also, If you curious, the day before I'm doing Seaworld and the day after is a resort/Waterpark (if the weather cooperates) day
Right now, the plan is:* open for cutting based on time

Park 1:AKV 8:00 EMH - 9:00
Kilimanjaro Safari
Expedition Everest
Dinosaur *

Park 2HS 10:15 - 12:15
TSMM FP+
ToT FP+
GMR
ST FP+ *

Park 3:EPCOT (Boat or walk to International Gateway) Hoping to get 4th FP+ for MS or SE 1:00 - 2:15
Figment
Nemo
MS:Orange *
Spaceship Earth

Park 4:MK (Monorail)3:00 - Midnight Closing
FoF Parade (might not make it Touring Plans personalized plans suggest it's going to be close)
Hope to book 5+ FP+ for rides like
Pooh
Haunted Mansion
POTC
IASW
Buzz Light Year

Fill in the rest of the Afternoon early evening with
Country Bear Jamboree
Tiki Room
TTA
Carousel of progress

After the Parade and Fireworks hit
Peter Pan
Little Mermaid
Other attractions as there is time.
7DMT shortly before closing

It's been almost 9 years ago I did my first 4 park adventure. It was a mostly thrill ride day. http://www.disboards.com/showpost.php?p=10890759&postcount=33

 

[Shaden]

Think about that statement. I mean, really think about that statement and how he connected two things that I'm not sure can be connected.

I figured out FP+ a long time ago and as a result I spend less time and money in the parks. I think that will be true of others as they "figure it out".

So where does "the revenue come through"? Is it from increased guest turnover in the parks each day? While that might be true on already crowded days, I don't think it can be counted on every day of the year - they aren't having to turn people away from the parks every day.

I think this is probably the most profound of the analysis here, profound in that its so bloody simple, but is so EXTREMELY important. (Also something many people discussed from early on ...)

1) If Rasulo is correct, and magically people really do figure this out, I think the end result isn't more revenue, it's less.

While its great to "lock people in" 60 days out, and to speed them through a few of the lines, when the other lines in the parks have increased, either they aren't going to wait in them and go home, OR, they are going to wait in them, in either case, not spending more money (as either they are spending more, or the same [average] amount of time in line, or are not in the parks)

So very many people here now have hailed FP+ because they can now either, get in and out of the park faster in the morning, or, don't have to show up as early, can sleep in and still have FPs in the afternoon.

These are pretty much the only two things people point to as the positives of FP+, and I can very much see why people like them. But, in neither case are you spending more time and money in the parks.

2) Rasulo is completely wrong. People are not just going to "figure this out" .... especially considering the number of first time/once in a life time visitors the parks have, and the not so tech savvy folks. Really, what is more complicated, insert your ticket and get the slip of paper .... or manage this whole, pre-booking, juggling adrs, plus then moving things around on the app, and then adding more but having to go to the kiosk in the parks, and tiers, and only one park at a time, and blah blah blah. Its more complicated, even if you LIKE the system more, its more complicated.

Have you seen the number of people in the parks they have assigned to making things "work out" .... and lets face it, they aren't really working out for quite a few people.

Of course, I, we, no one, has any information on actual numbers of CMs, but I certainly didn't see NEARLY as many dealing with legacy FP than I saw dealing with FP+ in may. It used to be, 1 or 2 CMs for a whole bank of paper FP machines, now its a CM for every single Kiosk, and one, two, even 3 Guest relations CMs hovering over them. Plus the CMs walking around with the Tablets, and the Guest relations CMs accompanying them. On top of that are the people coordinating those folks. And I know from personal experience they have a whole team of behind the scenes people whose job it is (or at least was as of May) to contact by phone people who had issues with FP+, to answer any questions, and to offer a little magic to help smooth things over.

That's a LOT of people.

I can't see how this reallllly pans out for Disney in either case.

I really like the potential of MBs and rfid and nextgen rides and stuff, but FP+, as a revenue source, unless they start charging .... just can't see this actually accomplishing the goal of increased revenue.

 

[Suvadoo]

I think this is probably the most profound of the analysis here, profound in that its so bloody simple, but is so EXTREMELY important. (Also something many people discussed from early on ...)

1) If Rasulo is correct, and magically people really do figure this out, I think the end result isn't more revenue, it's less.

While its great to "lock people in" 60 days out, and to speed them through a few of the lines, when the other lines in the parks have increased, either they aren't going to wait in them and go home, OR, they are going to wait in them, in either case, not spending more money (as either they are spending more, or the same [average] amount of time in line, or are not in the parks)

So very many people here now have hailed FP+ because they can now either, get in and out of the park faster in the morning, or, don't have to show up as early, can sleep in and still have FPs in the afternoon.

These are pretty much the only two things people point to as the positives of FP+, and I can very much see why people like them. But, in neither case are you spending more time and money in the parks.

2) Rasulo is completely wrong. People are not just going to "figure this out" .... especially considering the number of first time/once in a life time visitors the parks have, and the not so tech savvy folks. Really, what is more complicated, insert your ticket and get the slip of paper .... or manage this whole, pre-booking, juggling adrs, plus then moving things around on the app, and then adding more but having to go to the kiosk in the parks, and tiers, and only one park at a time, and blah blah blah. Its more complicated, even if you LIKE the system more, its more complicated.

Have you seen the number of people in the parks they have assigned to making things "work out" .... and lets face it, they aren't really working out for quite a few people.

Of course, I, we, no one, has any information on actual numbers of CMs, but I certainly didn't see NEARLY as many dealing with legacy FP than I saw dealing with FP+ in may. It used to be, 1 or 2 CMs for a whole bank of paper FP machines, now its a CM for every single Kiosk, and one, two, even 3 Guest relations CMs hovering over them. Plus the CMs walking around with the Tablets, and the Guest relations CMs accompanying them. On top of that are the people coordinating those folks. And I know from personal experience they have a whole team of behind the scenes people whose job it is (or at least was as of May) to contact by phone people who had issues with FP+, to answer any questions, and to offer a little magic to help smooth things over.

That's a LOT of people.

I can't see how this reallllly pans out for Disney in either case.

I really like the potential of MBs and rfid and nextgen rides and stuff, but FP+, as a revenue source, unless they start charging .... just can't see this actually accomplishing the goal of increased revenue.

I agree with everything you've said. so the question is: Do you think they'll keep FP+? My theory is that it's a failure because it requires too much support and they're not seeing a return on investment.

Another problem is that the stores throughout Disney contain the same crap, I mean merchandise. So really people can spend time wandering around the stores, but if they're not interested in T-shirts, snow globes, or hats they're out of luck.

 

[Ellwood970]

I think the Magic Bands are great, impressive for such a big resort and well worth the cost. Fastpass+ is a drain on good will and will be changed. I don't think they can continue with the negative publicity nor the cost.

 

[Suvadoo]

I'm leaning towards Disney transportation. Since I'm doing Universal and Busch Gardens, thrill rides are not high a high priority unless they have "something special". Also, If you curious, the day before I'm doing Seaworld and the day after is a resort/Waterpark (if the weather cooperates) day
Right now, the plan is:* open for cutting based on time

Park 1:AKV 8:00 EMH - 9:00
Kilimanjaro Safari
Expedition Everest
Dinosaur *

Park 2HS 10:15 - 12:15
TSMM FP+
ToT FP+
GMR
ST FP+ *

Park 3:EPCOT (Boat or walk to International Gateway) Hoping to get 4th FP+ for MS or SE 1:00 - 2:15
Figment
Nemo
MS:Orange *
Spaceship Earth

Park 4:MK (Monorail)3:00 - Midnight Closing
FoF Parade (might not make it Touring Plans personalized plans suggest it's going to be close)
Hope to book 5+ FP+ for rides like
Pooh
Haunted Mansion
POTC
IASW
Buzz Light Year

Fill in the rest of the Afternoon early evening with
Country Bear Jamboree
Tiki Room
TTA
Carousel of progress

After the Parade and Fireworks hit
Peter Pan
Little Mermaid
Other attractions as there is time.
7DMT shortly before closing

It's been almost 9 years ago I did my first 4 park adventure. It was a mostly thrill ride day. http://www.disboards.com/showpost.php?p=10890759&postcount=33

Is this the first time your doing 4 parks with FP+? if it is, I'll be really interested in reading about your experience.

 

[johde]

Is this the first time your doing 4 parks with FP+? if it is, I'll be really interested in reading about your experience.

This 4 park adventure will be my first time in the parks with FP+ and Magic Bands period. So, somewhat related to your original point, I'll be navigating Kiosks and tapping Mickey heads for the first time while trying to do this. And then it will probably be a couple of years (or longer if the next trip is back to Disneyland) before I do it again. By that point, all the interfaces (website, app and Kiosks
) will probably be different.


That being said, as far as first time visitors "getting" FP+ better than they "got" original FP I think it comes down to a few things.

First, for onsite guests there is a concerted marketing effort to make FP+ reservations at this point complete with a mailing although in the future it may be done completely through electronic means. With reminders that it's time not just to make your FP+ reservations but also your ADRs. In the excess cost department, my current DVC reservation involved first booking my home resort, then picking up select disjointed days at BWV-std hoping to fill in the rest, finally getting AKV-std across 3 reservation. By 6 months out from my vacation I think I'd received 7 of those FP+ mailings with the magnets.

Second, no more "two trip" syndrome. For the first time visitor, they are unsure about the whole size of the parks. So, under FP, when you arrive the first time and are given the choice of an hour wait and a return time 3 hours later, most first timers would chose the hour wait. This is especially true for a ride like Soarin' where you had into the land pavillion then down stars. Add to the fact, If you're a first time visitor you probably hit Spaceship Earth and the Seas first. All you have left of that side of future world Imagination. As a result, FP return times never got much beyond that 3 hour range most of the year. TSMM, on the other hand, is in the middle of a fairly small park.
So, experienced parkgoers would pickup a FP+ no matter what the return time was because they knew you could return there from anywhere in the park in short order. As a result, FP+ would disappear early in the day.

Third, the ability to get your first 3 experiences in 1 shot. For offsite first timers, once they learn about FP+ even without prebooking, they can "cut" 3 lines with one stop. You also need to remember being a first timer they've never experienced FP-. So there is no expectation of being able to get FP+'s for all the headliners.

 

[Suvadoo]

This 4 park adventure will be my first time in the parks with FP+ and Magic Bands period. So, somewhat related to your original point, I'll be navigating Kiosks and tapping Mickey heads for the first time while trying to do this. And then it will probably be a couple of years (or longer if the next trip is back to Disneyland) before I do it again. By that point, all the interfaces (website, app and Kiosks
) will probably be different.


That being said, as far as first time visitors "getting" FP+ better than they "got" original FP I think it comes down to a few things.

First, for onsite guests there is a concerted marketing effort to make FP+ reservations at this point complete with a mailing although in the future it may be done completely through electronic means. With reminders that it's time not just to make your FP+ reservations but also your ADRs. In the excess cost department, my current DVC reservation involved first booking my home resort, then picking up select disjointed days at BWV-std hoping to fill in the rest, finally getting AKV-std across 3 reservation. By 6 months out from my vacation I think I'd received 7 of those FP+ mailings with the magnets.

Second, no more "two trip" syndrome. For the first time visitor, they are unsure about the whole size of the parks. So, under FP, when you arrive the first time and are given the choice of an hour wait and a return time 3 hours later, most first timers would chose the hour wait. This is especially true for a ride like Soarin' where you had into the land pavillion then down stars. Add to the fact, If you're a first time visitor you probably hit Spaceship Earth and the Seas first. All you have left of that side of future world Imagination. As a result, FP return times never got much beyond that 3 hour range most of the year. TSMM, on the other hand, is in the middle of a fairly small park.
So, experienced parkgoers would pickup a FP+ no matter what the return time was because they knew you could return there from anywhere in the park in short order. As a result, FP+ would disappear early in the day.

Third, the ability to get your first 3 experiences in 1 shot. For offsite first timers, once they learn about FP+ even without prebooking, they can "cut" 3 lines with one stop. You also need to remember being a first timer they've never experienced FP-. So there is no expectation of being able to get FP+'s for all the headliners.

You make good points but I still don't think making advanced ride reservations is easy. I also wonder how many first timers make absolutely no plans and do no research. How easy is FP+ going to be for them?

 

[johde]

You make good points but I still don't think making advanced ride reservations is easy. I also wonder how many first timers make absolutely no plans and do no research. How easy is FP+ going to be for them?

One would hope FP+ could at least get to the point of the old Othello catch phrase "A minute to learn, a lifetime to master". For the first timer, coming in with no plan. You would hope Disney would get to the point that making FP+ reservations are easy. Those FP+'s could be for Captain EO (9:30 a.m.), Character Spot(4:00p.m.), and Living with the land(7:45p.m.). But, physically going through the steps was easy. Turning those easy to get reservations into a touring plan that saves them real time in the park may take work. But that was also true under FP-. You needed to know which FP's were worth pulling and which ones were a waste. Know which attractions were disconnected from the system. At times, we get hung up on making the "perfect" plan as opposed to just making a plan.

As far as cutting down on operating costs in the park, Kiosk cast member will need to be able to start "profiling" guests to determine who's new and might need some hand holding and who is experienced and can do everything for themselves. So, instead of having a CM at every Kiosk, it could be cut down to 2-3 per bank.

I also wouldn't be surprised if first time users have fewer technical issues than experienced visitors because they are "fiddling" with their accounts less.

 

[ep4244]

I would encourage your family to make their FP+ selections when they can, and then ask Guest Relations to copy those FP+ selections to the day guests who are joining them at the park. It will be easier the day of to find FP+ slots for fewer people.

The problem with adding people day off is if there are no Fast passes available you can't add them. I had this happen on my last trip. A friend joined me for a day spur of the moment, but I couldn't add her to any of my fast passes that day. None of my rides/times were available and even trying to change times we only got 1 of the 3 for her.

 

[minnie-apple-mouse]

1) If Rasulo is correct, and magically people really do figure this out, I think the end result isn't more revenue, it's less.

While its great to "lock people in" 60 days out, and to speed them through a few of the lines, when the other lines in the parks have increased, either they aren't going to wait in them and go home, OR, they are going to wait in them, in either case, not spending more money (as either they are spending more, or the same [average] amount of time in line, or are not in the parks)

So very many people here now have hailed FP+ because they can now either, get in and out of the park faster in the morning, or, don't have to show up as early, can sleep in and still have FPs in the afternoon.

These are pretty much the only two things people point to as the positives of FP+, and I can very much see why people like them. But, in neither case are you spending more time and money in the parks.

I can't see how this reallllly pans out for Disney in either case.

I really like the potential of MBs and rfid and nextgen rides and stuff, but FP+, as a revenue source, unless they start charging .... just can't see this actually accomplishing the goal of increased revenue.

I agree-at least "for now".

You see things like this, even though a glitch-it's really possible to do the big 3 late in the day in ONE hour. While amazing compared to the past, at least that late in the day-it could lead to a pretty quick tour of that park.

Oh well, it was great while it lasted; I was only able to change one day.



Hopefully it's a sign of things to come.

DD did the same thing just Sunday the night before for the Monday holiday.

Was wonderful as she had to work the morning anyway-just blew her away.

Again-just one hour.

And while "currently" there are bad experiences and limitations of 3, tiers, hopping etc-certainly anyone can see with future expansion this could become quite amazing.

Take the 2 examples above and have one for the late AM, and one the way it is for example-2 different parks if you "purchase" hopping. Or even eventually allow 5 or 6 per day (or more-esp depending on seasons), or 3 for AM and 3 for PM-that will keep guests in the parks "IF" that's what they want.

Or a 4th at a MOD, or a 4th and 5th at a Deluxe or DVC on points. Or a 4th can be purchased on new expansion attractions.

The revenue is there-just need to work out kinks, expand (mostly) and bill smartly IMO.