Hey parents! Are you raising a generation of nincompoops?

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NEW YORK — Second-graders who can't tie shoes or zip jackets. Four-year-olds in Pull-Ups diapers. Five-year-olds in strollers. Teens and preteens befuddled by can openers and ice-cube trays. College kids who've never done laundry, taken a bus alone or addressed an envelope.
Are we raising a generation of nincompoops? And do we have only ourselves to blame? Or are some of these things simply the result of kids growing up with push-button technology in an era when mechanical devices are gradually being replaced by electronics?
Susan Maushart, a mother of three, says her teenage daughter "literally does not know how to use a can opener. Most cans come with pull-tops these days. I see her reaching for a can that requires a can opener, and her shoulders slump and she goes for something else."
Teenagers are so accustomed to either throwing their clothes on the floor or hanging them on hooks that Maushart says her "kids actually struggle with the mechanics of a clothes hanger."
Many kids never learn to do ordinary household tasks. They have no chores. Take-out and drive-through meals have replaced home cooking. And busy families who can afford it often outsource house-cleaning and lawn care.
"It's so all laid out for them," said Maushart, author of the forthcoming book "The Winter of Our Disconnect," about her efforts to wean her family from its dependence on technology. "Having so much comfort and ease is what has led to this situation — the Velcro sneakers, the Pull-Ups generation. You can pee in your pants and we'll take care of it for you!"
The issue hit home for me when a visiting 12-year-old took an ice-cube tray out of my freezer, then stared at it helplessly. Raised in a world where refrigerators have push-button ice-makers, he'd never had to get cubes out of a tray — in the same way that kids growing up with pull-tab cans don't understand can openers.
But his passivity was what bothered me most. Come on, kid! If your life depended on it, couldn't you wrestle that ice-cube tray to the ground? It's not that complicated!
Mark Bauerlein, author of the best-selling book "The Dumbest Generation," which contends that cyberculture is turning young people into know-nothings, says "the absence of technology" confuses kids faced with simple mechanical tasks.
But Bauerlein says there's a second factor: "a loss of independence and a loss of initiative." He says that growing up with cell phones and Google means kids don't have to figure things out or solve problems any more. They can look up what they need online or call mom or dad for step-by-step instructions. And today's helicopter parents are more than happy to oblige, whether their kids are 12 or 22.
"It's the dependence factor, the unimaginability of life without the new technology, that is making kids less entrepreneurial, less initiative-oriented, less independent," Bauerlein said.
Teachers in kindergarten have always had to show patience with children learning to tie shoes and zip jackets, but thanks to Velcro closures, today's kids often don't develop those skills until they are older. Sure, harried parents are grateful for Velcro when they're trying to get a kid dressed and out the door, and children learn to tie shoes eventually unless they have a real disability. But if they're capable of learning to tie their shoes before they learn to read, shouldn't we encourage them?
Some skills, of course, are no longer useful. Kids don't need to know how to add Roman numerals, write cursive or look things up in a paper-bound thesaurus. But is snail-mail already so outmoded that teenagers don't need to know how to address an envelope or put the stamp in the right spot? Ask a 15-year-old to prepare an envelope some time; you might be shocked at the result.
Lenore Skenazy, who writes a popular blog called Free-Range Kids, based on her book by the same name, has a different take. Skenazy, whose approach to parenting is decidedly anti-helicopter, agrees that we are partly to blame for our children's apparent incompetence, starting when they are infants.
"There is an onslaught of stuff being sold to us from the second they come out of the womb trying to convince us that they are nincompoops," she said. "They need to go to Gymboree or they will never hum and clap! To teach them how to walk, you're supposed to turn your child into a marionette by strapping this thing on them that holds them up because it helps them balance more naturally than 30,000 years of evolution!"
Despite all this, Skenazy thinks today's kids are way smarter than we give them credit for: "They know how to change a photo caption on a digital photo and send it to a friend. They can add the smiley face without the colon and parentheses! They never took typing but they can type faster than I can!"
Had I not been there to help that 12-year-old with the ice-cube tray, she added, the kid surely would have "whipped out his iPhone and clicked on his ice cube app to get a little video animated by a 6-year-old that explained how you get ice cubes out of a tray."
Friends playing devil's advocate say I'm wrong to indict a whole generation for the decline of skills they don't need. After all, we no longer have to grow crops, shoot deer, prime a pump or milk a cow to make dinner, but it was just a couple of generations ago that you couldn't survive in many places without that knowledge.
Others say this is simply the last gasp of the analog era as we move once and for all to the digital age. In 10 years, there won't be any ice cube trays; every fridge will have push-button ice.
But Bauerlein, a professor at Emory University who has studied culture and American life, defends my right to rail against the ignorance of youth.
"That's our job as we get old," he said. "A healthy society is healthy only if it has some degree of tension between older and younger generations. It's up to us old folks to remind teenagers: 'The world didn't begin on your 13th birthday!' And it's good for kids to resent that and to argue back. We want to criticize and provoke them. It's not healthy for the older generation to say, 'Kids are kids, they'll grow up.'
"They won't grow up," he added, "unless you do your job by knocking down their hubris."
 
My parents thought we were "nincompoops" because we had McDonalds, didn't walk five miles to school and had shoes! My grandmother's generation thought we were spoiled because we could vote and were free.

Every generation has it's upgrades. Doesn't make them nincompoops, just makes them adaptable to today.
 
My parents thought we were "nincompoops" because we had McDonalds, didn't walk five miles to school and had shoes! My grandmother's generation thought we were spoiled because we could vote and were free.

Every generation has it's upgrades. Doesn't make them nincompoops, just makes them adaptable to today.

Yes, but at least we could tie our shoelaces by 2nd grade.
 

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My parents thought we were "nincompoops" because we had McDonalds, didn't walk five miles to school and had shoes! My grandmother's generation thought we were spoiled because we could vote and were free.

Every generation has it's upgrades. Doesn't make them nincompoops, just makes them adaptable to today.
 
I don't think we have had an ice cube tray in our house in over 15 years, why would we need one? So what if kids don't know how to use an ice cube tray-they aren't essential to life.

Now, the other things, yes, my kids all knew how to tie their shoes before kindergarten, they all know how to use a can opener (a manual one anyway, we don't have an electric one), they all know how to do laundry, use a hanger, etc. We could leave them alone for weeks on end and they would be able to fully run a house by now. I know this is NOT the case with many kids but it isn't new either. My roommate in college, SENIOR YEAR, had no clue how to clean anything, change a roll of toilet paper, wash dishes, nothing. We had to show her everything. Her mom was of the thinking that it was just easier to do it herself (which is it but that isn't the point) and she didn't want them to have to spend their childhood cleaning :confused3.
 
My parents thought we were "nincompoops" because we had McDonalds, didn't walk five miles to school and had shoes! My grandmother's generation thought we were spoiled because we could vote and were free.

Every generation has it's upgrades. Doesn't make them nincompoops, just makes them adaptable to today.

MTE! :thumbsup2
 
Nincompoops? Really? When was the last time anyone used that word?:sad2:
 
I'm not, I know a few who are but when I was a kid I knew a few then too. Same complaint, different generation.

I will admit however that recently DH was cleaning out the garage and DD came down the hall one morning to find 2 turntables on the dining room table. She stopped and stared in awe as she slowly said......"are those REAL record players? I've never seen one" :lmao:
At first I laughed, then I realized, she hadn't ever seen one they have been in the garage for years.

I will now go back to trying to figure out how this ipod thingy I got for Christmas works ;)
 
My kids have been putting their own clothes away starting around the age of 5, knew how to tie their shoes by first grade, were potty trained before 3, and I know my 2 oldest can use a can opener. Oh, and we only have ice cube trays. Our schools teach script in 3rd grade. HOWEVER, I recently had dd14 write a thank you note, and she didn't know how to address the envelope, or where to put the stamp! She's a high honor student, with almost perfect standardized test scores, and she can't address an envelope?! I guess I've always done it for them, but not anymore!
 
We were on the USS Intrepid which has one of the British Concordes on it. We were walking thru the Concorde and my dd10 read a sign that said ash tray which was right above an ash tray. My dd10 looked at me and said what is an ash tray? People around us were laughing a litte. However the more I thought about it I realized that we don't own an ash tray and I really don't personally know many people who smoke etc. If not knowing what an ashtray is makes dd a nimcompoop so be it.
 
My kids have been putting their own clothes away starting around the age of 5, knew how to tie their shoes by first grade, were potty trained before 3, and I know my 2 oldest can use a can opener. Oh, and we only have ice cube trays. Our schools teach script in 3rd grade. HOWEVER, I recently had dd14 write a thank you note, and she didn't know how to address the envelope, or where to put the stamp! She's a high honor student, with almost perfect standardized test scores, and she can't address an envelope?! I guess I've always done it for them, but not anymore!

My kids were both taught letter writing (including addressing envelopes) sometime around 4th grade.

It did take them a long time to learn to tie shoes just because they had velcro on everything until about 5th grade or so.

They can use the can opener and write in cursive.
 
hee hee nincompoop. :lmao:

ok, but on a more serious note. Now that we have DD I do worry about all the things that we will have to teach her. I actually mentioned this to DH the other day. Everything from "what makes a car go" to "why do we wash our hands" and so on... I don't think my brain stops working ever! :laughing: But I do think this can go the other way too. I think that parents force their kids to learn some things too early. Forcing them to use the potty when they aren't ready. My SIL has already taught my 2 year old neice that our president is Obama. Kind of silly to me. But to each their own! I look forward to teaching DD all the things that she needs to know. But right now I would like her to just fall asleep for her nap... :laughing:
 
I just find it bizarre that the mother of the child who doesn't know how to use a can opener didn't take that as an opportunity to actually TEACH the girl how to do it. Let's just marvel at the fact that she doesn't know how and write about it. If the kid doesn't have basic skills for life, then how is that anyone's fault but that child's parent?
 
Many kids are a bit snow-flaky (is that a word?) nowadays IMO. By that I mean that many are very protected and scheduled compared to "the old days". I don't think that means that they are nincompoops though. They just aren't exposed to the same things.
 
I love the over-generalization in this article.

A 5-year old in a stroller could be for 100's of reasons. Perhaps the author would have preferred to see a 5-year old who didn't have a place to rest after walking several miles through Walt Disney World? A tired 5-year old is not fun at all.

Of course, if that was the case, than this author may be writing about all the "bratty, whiny" 5 year olds in society.

Sorry, but I can't stand people who try to paint such a broad picture of things. As we see everyday on the DIS, every person's situation is different.

As PP's have mentioned...don't have an ashtray? Why would your child know what they are? Don't have an ice cube tray? Why would you go out of your way to teach them about it?
 
I'm not, I know a few who are but when I was a kid I knew a few then too. Same complaint, different generation.

I will admit however that recently DH was cleaning out the garage and DD came down the hall one morning to find 2 turntables on the dining room table. She stopped and stared in awe as she slowly said......"are those REAL record players? I've never seen one" :lmao:
At first I laughed, then I realized, she hadn't ever seen one they have been in the garage for years.

I will now go back to trying to figure out how this ipod thingy I got for Christmas works ;)

My 17 and 15 yr old daughters laugh at me because I have trouble using the remotes and using Facebook. I tell them, just wait until their 4 yr old and 2 yr old cousins are in their teens. Then my daughters will be laughed at because they don't know the newest things.

My younger daughter cannot understand how to tell time unless it is digital. I have explained to her and bought her a book about it when she was younger. Still when she asks me the time and I say quarter past, we have to go over the entire concept again.

I think every generation has it easier than the last. My grandmother came over from Ireland by herself to become a maid at 15. She worked to bring over her younger sisters when they were about the same age.

By contrast when I was young, my biggest complaint was sharing a bedroom with my 3 sisters and only 1 bathroom for 11 people.

My daughters find sharing a bathroom with just each other to be a hassle and sharing a bed while on vacation akin to toture.

While there are some things for children I find unnecessary; overall I think it is the same issues people have faced for generations.
 
I dont know, I didnt get that the author was really complaining about he kid not using the ice cube tray or the girl with the can opener ignorance, its more that kids these days seem to not be very good at solving issues when technology is not involved and I happen to agree with him.

I have no issues with adaptability,but kids today have grown up leaning on these so much that if they aren't there, they are lost. The art of being resourceful is getting lost IMO. If power went out and the computer wasn't available to write and research their paper, what would they do? Its this kind of thing. A library? an encyclopedia? a manual typewriter? Its not even that they don't know how to use them, they don't even know other resources exist!

Its not that they are nincompoops (I love that word) or useless, they just seem to have trouble being able to be "adaptable" when the technology they know isn't available. It's that whole, "why should I learn that if I don't need it" mentality.

I see it everyday and my sister who is a teacher sees it as well.. At times its comical and others, its worrisome.....
 
My parents thought we were "nincompoops" because we had McDonalds, didn't walk five miles to school and had shoes! My grandmother's generation thought we were spoiled because we could vote and were free.

Every generation has it's upgrades. Doesn't make them nincompoops, just makes them adaptable to today.

ITA

My 3 year old doesn't know how to tie his shoes yet, but he can find his favorite videos on Youtube.

Kids in this generation are wired differently and they are more adaptable to technology. That is preparing them for the future. They aren't going to get a job filling ice trays.

I can't tell you the last time I hand wrote a letter (not a card). I think that makes me smart for using the best and easiest way to get something done.

My grandfather was a very wise man. He never romanticized the "good ol days." He used to say, "what was good about them? People died and you had no idea why or how to prevent it. You worked hard from sun up to sun down just to put food on the table." He liked sitting in his airconditioned house and watching ESPN. He was no nincompoop.
 


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