Here now, OMG buses.

[Missyrose]

The signs at the bus stops said strollers had to be folded on the bus. It did not say that strollers had to be folded in the line. And it never crossed my mind that my fellow bus riders would rather take the chance of my kid getting hit by a bus/listen to my attempts to convince a 2-year-old to stand still in line for an unknown amount of time than wait 30-40 seconds while I remove the child and fold the stroller as the bus is pulling to the curb.

The complaints from people who do not have to deal with strollers, small children, disabilities, scooters, etc, are quite sad, IMO. The people whose vacations are already the easiest are this put out by a minute or two delay by people for whom the vacation is already going to be more stressful? It really says more about your character than it does about the manners of some flustered mom who is waiting until the last minute to disrupt their sleeping infant and then takes longer than usual to fold up a stroller in front of glaring eyes.

I have no problem with the number of strollers/wheelchairs/ECVs on the buses. What drives me nuts and I believe what PPs were talking about is the parent who blocks out everyone else where the bus door will be and only when the bus pulls up and opens its door does that parent decide to pull their kid out of the stroller and start fumbling with it. If you want to wheel your kid up to the bus and THEN fold the stroller, fine, but don't attempt to be the first person in line while attempting to do that. It's simple common courtesy. For families with more than one parent, I've seen plenty where the first parent gets on the bus with the kids while the second steps to the side to fold up the stroller and then gets on the bus.

I think it's the very small subset of stroller-users who decide to fold the stroller at the door of the bus that frustrates the many. For those of you that argue that folding the stroller only takes a minute, then take that minute to the side of the line and fold your stroller. And once you have, THEN get in line to get on the bus.

 

[RedHeadedFairy]

I am too. I'm really surprised this hasn't been closed or that person hasn't been banned or had some sort of hold placed on their account because I've reported every single awful comment they've made. Maybe I'm the only one.

I've reported them too, I find the poster's attitude offensive & purposely inflamatory.

 

[roomthreeseventeen]

I just got back yesterday, and to be honest, the only problem I had with the buses was a ride back from MVMCP on Friday night. One little boy spent the entire trip from MK to AKL SCREAMING for his mother, who was sitting on the other side of the bus talking to her friend. The dad refused to let him go to her, and so he screamed. For 20 minutes.

 

[RedHeadedFairy]

yes it does, just go to their profile and it should say ignore under 'user lists'.

 

[20yBWDW]

How about you take your kid out when the bus pulls up before you make it to the door. I have gone to WDW many times with small children have done just that and neither were ever hit by a car. Why is that some parents with small children seem so entitled? Having children does not get you saint hood and really you don’t get a pass from common courtesies because you have children.

I do take my kids out of the stroller when the bus pulls up. There were complaints earlier in this thread of people waiting until the bus pulls up to take the kid out, instead of taking them out when they got in line.

Common courtesy goes two ways. Most parents of small children I know spend the vast majority of their time in public trying to prevent their children from unduly impacting people around them. Call us crazy, but many of us are surprised when we spend so much time and effort to be considerate of others, that those others cannot extend a simple courtesy in return, such as forgiving us the minute it takes us to fold up a stroller. Granted, most of the effort put forth by parents of small children is not visible to others unless they have been there, or the efforts are failing. But when I spend a whole day steering my children around adults, shushing them, reminding them to stop running, stop jumping, keep their hands to themselves, stop playing with the rope, wait your turn, say please and thank you, and helping them cope with adults behaving badly, I do not think it is too much to ask for a little forgiveness for 30-freaking-seconds to close my stroller when the bus arrives instead of taking the kid out as soon as we step into line, thereby either waking them up or having them bouncing around in line, and annoying the child-free crowd even more.

 

[mad madam mim78]

People come to this thread as Disney warms peoples hearts, it takes them away from the tough world we live in, it gives us something to look forward too, and plan for...seeing posts like this takes away from that. These forums have been a sense of enjoyment and something to look forward too...Comments like this strip all that away...

Can we please keep these posts forums to something that is a tad bit less offensive, flaming and negative please?

Is there a moderator watching these threads? I am surprised this has been allowed to go on as long as it has.

How do you think I feel? I really feel like I try and try to be considerate to others but if I drop the ball for a second and didn't fold up my stroller the minute the bus came into view now people are tearing me apart as an individual.

I experienced countless rudeness on my last trip. A woman literally tried to walk through me and my childs clasped hands like a game of red rover. I was elbowed (hard) by a man in a restaurant and he didn't even flinch or think to turn around and say sorry. The hostess that was walking beside me even said "Well that was rude!"

I never once looked at a struggling mom, or dad and thought "you jerk! what about me!" NEVER! I will now board the busses with new eyes.

It's a stroller and it's on a bus to Disney. If I didn't bring my A game while loading it....."Please forgive me!!!"

 

[donaldlovesdaisy]

I do take my kids out of the stroller when the bus pulls up. There were complaints earlier in this thread of people waiting until the bus pulls up to take the kid out, instead of taking them out when they got in line.
Common courtesy goes two ways. Most parents of small children I know spend the vast majority of their time in public trying to prevent their children from unduly impacting people around them. Call us crazy, but many of us are surprised when we spend so much time and effort to be considerate of others, that those others cannot extend a simple courtesy in return, such as forgiving us the minute it takes us to fold up a stroller. Granted, most of the effort put forth by parents of small children is not visible to others unless they have been there, or the efforts are failing. But when I spend a whole day steering my children around adults, shushing them, reminding them to stop running, stop jumping, keep their hands to themselves, stop playing with the rope, wait your turn, say please and thank you, and helping them cope with adults behaving badly, I do not think it is too much to ask for a little forgiveness for 30-freaking-seconds to close my stroller when the bus arrives instead of taking the kid out as soon as we step into line, thereby either waking them up or having them bouncing around in line, and annoying the child-free crowd even more.

Oh I have not read the entire thread so I did not see that. I see no reason why a child can't stay in the stroller until the bus pulls up. My whole complaint is the parents who wait until they get to the bus doors to remove their child and those who try to get on with the child in the stroller.

 

[20yBWDW]

I have no problem with the number of strollers/wheelchairs/ECVs on the buses. What drives me nuts and I believe what PPs were talking about is the parent who blocks out everyone else where the bus door will be and only when the bus pulls up and opens its door does that parent decide to pull their kid out of the stroller and start fumbling with it. If you want to wheel your kid up to the bus and THEN fold the stroller, fine, but don't attempt to be the first person in line while attempting to do that. It's simple common courtesy. For families with more than one parent, I've seen plenty where the first parent gets on the bus with the kids while the second steps to the side to fold up the stroller and then gets on the bus.

I think it's the very small subset of stroller-users who decide to fold the stroller at the door of the bus that frustrates the many. For those of you that argue that folding the stroller only takes a minute, then take that minute to the side of the line and fold your stroller. And once you have, THEN get in line to get on the bus.

Well, that was us. We would pass on a bus if it was standing room only because our kids would annoy people while trying to stand. They could not keep their balance. So we would wait for the next bus, be first in line, but did not take our 2-year-old out of her umbrella stroller until we saw our bus approaching. It takes less than one minute to get her out and get the stroller closed. As I mentioned earlier in the thread, we had someone step aside once, and we got separated, as in, nobody let him back in line once the stroller was folded, and he did not get on the bus, which was a nightmare for me and the other people on the bus, as I tried to juggle the 3 tired kids by myself. Most of the time, starting the process when we saw our bus resulted in all of us boarding the bus without any delay to anyone around us. But we did have a few incidents where it was less than a minute delay. Once because DH did not realize that someone had stuck a picture in the back of the stroller, and another time because a clasp had broken on the stroller.

Honestly, reading these boards makes me think we are damned if we do and damned if we don't. Perhaps Disney should just make a rule banning small children from the bus altogether?

 

[Peaseblossom]

I go to Disney A LOT by normal human standards, just a normal amount by Dis standards, and the only time I've been frustrated by buses is at park closing.

Here are my suggestions:

1. Disney, you made $1B profit last year - improve the specifications in your contract with Mears and measure performance to ensure they meet your specs, at all hours of the day.

2. Have an automated system that announces when the bus for your resort is approaching, something along the lines of "L&G, your resort coach is approaching, please fold strollers, gather your belongings and take small children by the hand..." This shouldn't be hard from a tech point of view.

3. Finally, have more 'traffic cops' on the ground, so that on that occasion when there are 2 ECVs and 5 strollers, they can call dispatch and request another bus. If someone is there to tell you another bus has been dispatched and will be here in 5 minutes, it goes a long way to calming rising tempers.

4. I wish I was in Disney waiting for a bus right now. 53 days...

 

[20yBWDW]

I just got back yesterday, and to be honest, the only problem I had with the buses was a ride back from MVMCP on Friday night. One little boy spent the entire trip from MK to AKL SCREAMING for his mother, who was sitting on the other side of the bus talking to her friend. The dad refused to let him go to her, and so he screamed. For 20 minutes.

We actually got lectured by the bus driver for allowing our son to walk over and see the other parent. He got on the loudspeaker and told us that if he walked again, he would pull the bus over to the side of the highway.

 

[GreenCntryGirl]

i just get tired of passive aggressive comments that are completely insulting and then when i avoid the passive and go straight to the aggressive i'm the bad guy.

ok.

 

[tinawv]

To load my wheelchair and tie it down takes less than 5 minutes. I am offloaded after all passengers are off the buss so that adds nothing to your time. Normally buses take 2 chairs or ECVs so 10 minutes to load. Not 20 minutes at all.
As to separate buses, that is not equal access. It is unacceptible and against ADA.

I have experienced long waits, but the people in ECVs that take up to 20 minutes to load from my experience are people who obiviously have no experience in using an ECV. Now this may because they they have hurt themselves and don't use one on a normal basis, but even though it may be rare there are people who abuse the use of ECVs (i.e. front of the line access for rides, shows, parades, etc.,).

 

[siskaren]

We split stays at BLT and BCV, walking to 3 parks is awesome. Rare that we board a bus anymore.

Dont mind strollers and wheel chairs-we just avoid buses in general and will never rent a car just for the 1/2 day at AK. We always use ME.

How are you using ME to get to AK? ME is for getting you from the airport to your hotel and back, not for getting you to the parks. The only way to get to AK from either BLT or BCV besides bus or renting a car is a taxi.

 

[KellyNY]

How do you think I feel? I really feel like I try and try to be considerate to others but if I drop the ball for a second and didn't fold up my stroller the minute the bus came into view now people are tearing me apart as an individual.

I experienced countless rudeness on my last trip. A woman literally tried to walk through me and my childs clasped hands like a game of red rover. I was elbowed (hard) by a man in a restaurant and he didn't even flinch or think to turn around and say sorry. The hostess that was walking beside me even said "Well that was rude!"

I never once looked at a struggling mom, or dad and thought "you jerk! what about me!" NEVER! I will now board the busses with new eyes.

It's a stroller and it's on a bus to Disney. If I didn't bring my A game while loading it....."Please forgive me!!!"

Relax and ignore. I did not read the whole thread or whatever argument you had, I do not even know if I agree with you or not and I do not have my horse here but I recognize same attitude from some posters, carried from one thread to another, bullying, seeing rudeness only if it fits them and attacking.

 

[stindall]

Relax and ignore. I did not read the whole thread or whatever argument you had, I do not even know if I agree with you or not and I do not have my horse here but I recognize same attitude from some posters, carried from one thread to another, bullying, seeing rudeness only if it fits them and attacking.

Oh yes, we're all such bullies. Telling someone to jump in front of a bus is totally fine and hilarious.

 

[mad madam mim78]

Relax and ignore. I did not read the whole thread or whatever argument you had, I do not even know if I agree with you or not and I do not have my horse here but I recognize same attitude from some posters, carried from one thread to another, bullying, seeing rudeness only if it fits them and attacking.

Thanks You probaby wouldn't agree with me. I got angry and lost it. I sorta blacked out.

 

[North of Mouse]

Sorry if this has already been brought up, but don't many (if not all) bus depots have signs that spell out the rules of the bus - one of them being to fold up strollers? There's nothing worse than ignorant people holding things up because they can't be bothered to educate themselves on the rules. And this goes for everyone - not just stroller handlers.

I think, as has been posted on here, that most people know the rules of riding on a bus, but choose to ignore them because of their own circumstances - ie. my child is sleeping so I wait til the bus opens it's doors to take child out, take belongings out, fold stroller, also the ones that posted that they cannot control their child if it's not strapped in a stroller. All these things are *their* problems, not the problems of the people they are holding up in line. That's some of the reasons posted anyway for not having their strollers ready.

 

[jade1]

How are you using ME to get to AK? ME is for getting you from the airport to your hotel and back, not for getting you to the parks. The only way to get to AK from either BLT or BCV besides bus or renting a car is a taxi.

Ha, yea sorry-I meant we use ME so we don't have a car, and will not rent one for the 1/2 day we do AK that week. We use the bus for AK day.

 

[KellyNY]

Oh yes, we're all such bullies. Telling someone to jump in front of a bus is totally fine and hilarious.

Answer for yourself, not others.

 

[20yBWDW]

I think, as has been posted on here, that most people know the rules of riding on a bus, but choose to ignore them because of their own circumstances - ie. my child is sleeping so I wait til the bus opens it's doors to take child out, take belongings out, fold stroller, also the ones that posted that they cannot control their child if it's not strapped in a stroller. All these things are *their* problems, not the problems of the people they are holding up in line. That's some of the reasons posted anyway for not having their strollers ready.

First of all, I was the one who said my child is more easily contained in the stroller, and I appreciate my child not being referred to as an "it". I'm not sure if you have kids and had the same derogatory attitude towards your own child, but I certainly do not appreciate it towards mine. If you have some magic secret for mind control of a 2-year-old, that allows you to remove a tired, overstimulated one from a stroller, and keep them standing perfectly still in line for anywhere from 5 minutes to 25 minutes, then please do share. As long as it does not involve beatings or treating a child as an "it" I would be happy to try it.

Second, there is no rule that says a child must be removed from the stroller or the stroller folded in line. None. The rule is that it must happen before boarding the bus. The situation you are describing IS within the rules.

Third, how long does this really hold you up? 30 seconds? 90 seconds? Or is the mere act of causing you to have to pause for a moment a despicable act because it involves small children and their parents? On any given day at WDW, I had to pause in my movement dozens of times, to show basic courtesy and let someone else pass in front of me, or because someone wanted to stop and take a picture, or because someone suddenly realized they went the wrong way. Of all of these, the stopping for other people taking pictures took way longer than it takes to fold a stroller. If it is not okay for someone to leave a sleeping child as long as they can because it inconveniences someone for 30 seconds, does that mean it is also not okay for people to take pictures because it inconveniences someone for 30 seconds?

Your inability to tolerate a 30-second wait says more about you than it does the person causing the delay.