Here now, and here is the problem

[LuvFFPlus]

oh goody... LuvFFPlus is awake !

Let's see 96 posts in 21 hours (their first post ever was yesterday, Friday at 12:44pm and it's now 9:19am on Saturday). Maybe if he/she keeps pumping out post after post after post - we'll all just accept that his/her "logic" is 100% correct and agree that FP+ is a wonderfull idea !!

oh boy...

I'm doing the equivalent of FP- gathering in post numbers as many of you claim to love. You are again name calling Julie. Do you have any idea what I was trying to say before? I said if you don't like FP+ and that's okay. I love it but don't look down on the people who do. All of you haters so far exhibit the same personality trait.
A system must benefit to you and you only. Anything else is just bad. Now it's my number of posts that bothers you? Hey guess what! Your endless collecting of fp- may bother someone else too.

 

[LuvFFPlus]

I know right ? The logic is ... well, lets not call it logic.


I could have sworn the implication yester of the "Has Disney actually said the FP- is going away" essentially meant 'You have no proof that FP- is going away, which would be bad, but don't assume that since you have no proof, and since you don't your point is invalid'

Today its "Oh since you have proof that FP- is going away, I like it even MORE now." Hilarious.

So what do you want? a FP- system that benefits you so that you can collect as many FP as possible in a day? Okay perfect please go petition on that to Disney. Why do you see the need to hate the people who likes the new system?

 

[Shaden]

I totally agree with you. Not all of them have used it and yet they kept trying to put people who love the system down.
The more they are afraid that they may need to adjust their vacation styles the more they think they need to find points to hate the product. I get the point that they don't want to vacation unless it's their way, and I'm okay with it. What I don't get it if someone dislikes a product and everyone should hate it too. If they cannot reason with logic then it's cheater, troll, kool-aid drinker.

Most of the people, not all, who say they "like/love" FP+ make no sense. They either don't see the failure of their own logic, or haven't given any real thought to the system as it will be when its fully rolled ... some examples

I'm here now and .... fast pass plus has worked great. I do think the lines for fast pass are bigger now, but I also think they are letting more fast pass people through and making stand by wait longer. I understand the people who are upset about being limited to 3 fast passes a day, but my thinking is lets just wait till the final roll out to see what it's like. Right now is still prelim so to base any decision on fast pass plus is premature. The best thing about fast pass plus is I don't have to get to a park at rope drop to get a fast pass, I can get to the park 1 hour after it opens and still be set for the day.

In this example, they recognize that lines are bigger for both FP+ AND for Standby ... but still say they love it !?!?!?

They say to just wait to see what the final roll out, basically saying, just ignore the glaring flaws in the system and then what ? Criticize the system once its fully rolled out ? Shouldn't we be doing that while its in TESTING ??? Their final point is that they can just show up to the park 1 hour after it opens and be "set for the day" I guess if riding 1 upper tier and 2 rides you don't terribly need FP for counts as "set for the day" ???


Or then we have this guy:

When we were there in October I absolutely LOVED the new system.... I booked FP+ one week out (before tiers) and got EVERYTHING I wanted. AND, was able to change a bit on day of, no prob. PLUS I was able to get dining reservations a day or two before for everything including Le Cellar, Hoop De Doo and Cal Grill, Ohana etc., perfect main eating times i.e. 7pm dinner, 1pm lunch, 9am breakfast. I have never never been able to get those times or ressys before. Never.

During our time there (October 27-30).. we NEVER ever waited in a line. Never!
Standby lines were nearly non existent. Maybe 15 minutes tops. Anywhere.
We had a freekin BLAST and had a relaxing, non rushed, world class experience! Plenty of down time to swim and nap.
I guess what I'm saying is this 2013 trip was by far and wide the BEST because of the new system! Glitches and all.
Bottom line for me is off season, off season, off season.
.

So this guy, describes the fact that there was virtually NO ONE in the parks, it was completely dead. Then goes on to say that this trip was a blast because he never had to wait in line, and then tries to say its FP+ that did this !!?! After pointing out for instance that there were no standby lines, that he was even able to book ADRs a day or two before at high demand places (meaning, again no one was in the parks) .... how he thinks his adrs had anything to do with FP+ I don't know. Either way, another complete failure of logic. His trip was awesome, and he had no standby wait times because of crowd levels, not because of FP+.

 

[CanadaJulie]

You are again name calling Julie.

Oh ? Can you show me where I called you a name ?

Do you have any idea what I was trying to say before?

I can honestly say - with 100% seriousness - that I have *no idea* what you are saying most of the time.

Like this:

The collecting worked the way they wanted needs lot of work and research.

 

[LuvFFPlus]

Most of the people, not all, who say they "like/love" FP+ make no sense. They either don't see the failure of their own logic, or haven't given any real thought to the system as it will be when its fully rolled ... some examples



In this example, they recognize that lines are bigger for both FP+ AND for Standby ... but still say they love it !?!?!?

They say to just wait to see what the final roll out, basically saying, just ignore the glaring flaws in the system and then what ? Criticize the system once its fully rolled out ? Shouldn't we be doing that while its in TESTING ??? Their final point is that they can just show up to the park 1 hour after it opens and be "set for the day" I guess if riding 1 upper tier and 2 rides you don't terribly need FP for counts as "set for the day" ???


Or then we have this guy:




So this guy, describes the fact that there was virtually NO ONE in the parks, it was completely dead. Then goes on to say that this trip was a blast because he never had to wait in line, and then tries to say its FP+ that did this !!?! After pointing out for instance that there were no standby lines, that he was even able to book ADRs a day or two before at high demand places (meaning, again no one was in the parks) .... how he thinks his adrs had anything to do with FP+ I don't know. Either way, another complete failure of logic. His trip was awesome, and he had no standby wait times because of crowd levels, not because of FP+.

You have no problem dismissing other people's experience yet you wish other people to agree to your experience. So it's no different to it's my way or the high way.

I get the fact that you loved your old way but is your old way really that good if everyone who goes to WDW tour the same way you do?

Can you imagine if everyone wants to get on TT or Soards 4 to 6 times a day?

You will have a bigger problem at your hand with ride capacity. Maybe you should petition to a system where you can pay a fee on ticket to keep the fp- and let us other kind pay a little less on ticket to use fp+. Is that problem solved?

 

[LuvFFPlus]

Oh ? Can you show me where I called you a name ?



I can honestly say - with 100% seriousness - that I have *no idea* what you are saying most of the time.

Like this:

Good so now you are trying to say your smarter than I am and you have no idea what I am trying to say most of the time.

Let me use a similar method.

I FP+. Leave us alone. You can FP+ all you want.

 

[mom2mickeyfan]

Just sitting on my hands. Have a wonderful morning everyone!

 

[Shaden]

You have no problem dismissing other people's experience yet you wish other people to agree to your experience. So it's no different to it's my way or the high way.

I get the fact that you loved your old way but is your old way really that good if everyone who goes to WDW tour the same way you do?

Can you imagine if everyone wants to get on TT or Soards 4 to 6 times a day?

You will have a bigger problem at your hand with ride capacity. Maybe you should petition to a system where you can pay a fee on ticket to keep the fp- and let us other kind pay a little less on ticket to use fp+. Is that problem solved?

You notice I didn't DISMISS anything in their posts, I ADDRESSED what they posted. There is a massive difference. On the other hand what we often see is the FP+ advocates who dismiss things, ie: did you respond to any of the content in my post ? Nope.

 

[tim123]

Or then we have this guy:




So this guy, describes the fact that there was virtually NO ONE in the parks, it was completely dead. Then goes on to say that this trip was a blast because he never had to wait in line, and then tries to say its FP+ that did this !!?! After pointing out for instance that there were no standby lines, that he was even able to book ADRs a day or two before at high demand places (meaning, again no one was in the parks) .... how he thinks his adrs had anything to do with FP+ I don't know. Either way, another complete failure of logic. His trip was awesome, and he had no standby wait times because of crowd levels, not because of FP+.[/QUOTE]
OK let me chime in here to clarify what "this guy" meant with my stupid flawed logic ok?..I enjoyed FP+ because it enhanced our experience and thats all I meant. WDW was wonderful because it was not very crowded and i enjoy it that way. I simply meant that. And thats all. What the system brings to you and others in the future remains to be seen. I have no problem with the old system at all. In fact when before we got there I asked can we still use FP- when our 3 fp+ were gone…because i too want to ride as many things as I want.. I think everybody does..its expensive to go to WDW and you want to make the most of your stay. I have no problem with people who don't like the new system. I thought the combo of low crowds and new technology was wonderful. I pass no judgement on how that affects high crowds one way or the other. I
hope my logic is clear to you now

 

[LucyBC80]

Remember that poster who got chastised by the CM over the phone because they didn't like FP+? Seems like the CM found her way over to the DIS!

 

[JanaDee]

A "kelly" by any name is still just as annoying. I might have to add the new version to my ignore list as well.

Hmmmm, interesting.

 

[LuvFFPlus]

Most of the people, not all, who say they "like/love" FP+ make no sense. They either don't see the failure of their own logic, or haven't given any real thought to the system as it will be when its fully rolled ... some examples

So you wish me to address your post individually. Personal attention I see you seek.
So how do you want me to respond to you when you already said we don't make sense? Do you know what the real fully rolled system is? I sure don't and I said let's wait and see. That's not good enough for you I guess.

In this example, they recognize that lines are bigger for both FP+ AND for Standby ... but still say they love it !?!?!?

Have you visited WDW during Thanksgiving time? lines are bigger everywhere!
Even under FP-!

They say to just wait to see what the final roll out, basically saying, just ignore the glaring flaws in the system and then what ? Criticize the system once its fully rolled out ? Shouldn't we be doing that while its in TESTING ??? Their final point is that they can just show up to the park 1 hour after it opens and be "set for the day" I guess if riding 1 upper tier and 2 rides you don't terribly need FP for counts as "set for the day" ???

I say wait for the final roll out too! I can voice my concerns and I love the system that I TESTED. You must have too voiced your concerns to Disney. If you don't want to wait until the modifications later and see what you get later. What can you do? Personally go to Iger and demand a fix now?

So this guy, describes the fact that there was virtually NO ONE in the parks, it was completely dead. Then goes on to say that this trip was a blast because he never had to wait in line, and then tries to say its FP+ that did this !!?! After pointing out for instance that there were no standby lines, that he was even able to book ADRs a day or two before at high demand places (meaning, again no one was in the parks) .... how he thinks his adrs had anything to do with FP+ I don't know. Either way, another complete failure of logic. His trip was awesome, and he had no standby wait times because of crowd levels, not because of FP+.

So on hand you dismiss the experience at a high crowd time. Yet on this one you dismiss the experience from another when it's low crowd. So your own logic is the only logical answer to FP+ is your idea. No one else's idea works.

So I address your posts individually. All I am saying is during a test what you need to do is voice your concerns to Disney and wait for the adjustment. If it doesn't go 110% your way maybe your concerns doesn't address a larger number of people. There are countless of other people who doesn't come to DIS board and their opinion maybe different from yours.

 

[k5thbeatle]

I know where all this is going and Im sure others do too. First, everyone will be limited to 3 FPs. And soon after that, people who want more FPs can do so, for a little extra. It will turn into a fee based system. Disney already knows you will pay to play.

That's exactly what I was thinking!

 

[MickeyOCD]

oh goody... LuvFFPlus is awake ! Let's see 96 posts in 21 hours (their first post ever was yesterday, Friday at 12:44pm and it's now 9:19am on Saturday). Maybe if he/she keeps pumping out post after post after post - we'll all just accept that his/her "logic" is 100% correct and agree that FP+ is a wonderfull idea !! oh boy...

Increasing Post count cause somebody called her on her non-existent post count before on this thread. She just joined & thinks that she will be taken more seriously if she has a higher post count. Unfortunately, we all know she is a poster with another name, cause newbies to this board don't usually post with such vehemence right off the bat. And they are not so full of vitriol!

 

[LuvFFPlus]

OK let me chime in here to clarify what "this guy" meant with my stupid flawed logic ok?..I enjoyed FP+ because it enhanced our experience and thats all I meant. WDW was wonderful because it was not very crowded and i enjoy it that way. I simply meant that. And thats all. What the system brings to you and others in the future remains to be seen. I have no problem with the old system at all. In fact when before we got there I asked can we still use FP- when our 3 fp+ were gone…because i too want to ride as many things as I want.. I think everybody does..its expensive to go to WDW and you want to make the most of your stay. I have no problem with people who don't like the new system. I thought the combo of low crowds and new technology was wonderful. I pass no judgement on how that affects high crowds one way or the other. I
hope my logic is clear to you now

I totally get your logic yet they continue to pass judgement on us.
Some have even call me the CM on the phone that found the DIS board.

If you cannot stand people to love a thing you hate so the only way on DIS board is to call them names and chase them out of DIS? Is that how this country works now? I even said I respect their view that FP+ sucks but allow me to say I love FP+.

 

[Silock]

Increasing Post count cause somebody called her on her non-existent post count before on this thread. She just joined & thinks that she will be taken more seriously if she has a higher post count. Unfortunately, we all know she is a poster with another name, cause newbies to this board don't usually post with such vehemence right off the bat. And they are not so full of vitriol!

Registered yesterday, 107 posts, ALL regarding FP+.

 

[Shaden]

Or then we have this guy:




So this guy, describes the fact that there was virtually NO ONE in the parks, it was completely dead. Then goes on to say that this trip was a blast because he never had to wait in line, and then tries to say its FP+ that did this !!?! After pointing out for instance that there were no standby lines, that he was even able to book ADRs a day or two before at high demand places (meaning, again no one was in the parks) .... how he thinks his adrs had anything to do with FP+ I don't know. Either way, another complete failure of logic. His trip was awesome, and he had no standby wait times because of crowd levels, not because of FP+.

OK let me chime in here to clarify what "this guy" meant with my stupid flawed logic ok?..I enjoyed FP+ because it enhanced our experience and thats all I meant. WDW was wonderful because it was not very crowded and i enjoy it that way. I simply meant that. And thats all. What the system brings to you and others in the future remains to be seen. I have no problem with the old system at all. In fact when before we got there I asked can we still use FP- when our 3 fp+ were gone…because i too want to ride as many things as I want.. I think everybody does..its expensive to go to WDW and you want to make the most of your stay. I have no problem with people who don't like the new system. I thought the combo of low crowds and new technology was wonderful. I pass no judgement on how that affects high crowds one way or the other. I
hope my logic is clear to you now[/QUOTE]

Hey Tim, yea that makes it much more clear. I just don't see how FP+ enhanced your vacation, because everything that you pointed to that made your vacation the best ever had nothing to do with FP+. It was extremely low crowds, no standbys, tons of availability for ADRs etc.

But then you concluded that your vacation was the best "because of the new system". That's what I was pointing out. Its fair to like the new system, and to advocate its benefits, but very few people here are able to concretely point to what aspects of the system they like, why they are superior, and have those aspects be transferable to when the system is fully rolled out with 100% of the guests using it.

 

[JanaDee]

Registered yesterday, 107 posts, ALL regarding FP+.

But the (misspelled) user name has nothing to do with FP+.

 

[LuvFFPlus]

Increasing Post count cause somebody called her on her non-existent post count before on this thread. She just joined & thinks that she will be taken more seriously if she has a higher post count. Unfortunately, we all know she is a poster with another name, cause newbies to this board don't usually post with such vehemence right off the bat. And they are not so full of vitriol!

Really? I have another name ? I am a guy by the way. You must think I am a girl. I read the posts here for a long time before I decided to create an user name and post. So that is now my fault? I just got to a point on this board and I want to say something now. Is that a crime?

Consider me going to your GS counter as a first timer and complain about your treatment of FP+ lovers. All I ever did was posting one thing about how I love FP+ and look how you girls jumped up and down.

 

[bcrook]

Or then we have this guy:
OK let me chime in here to clarify what "this guy" meant with my stupid flawed logic ok?..I enjoyed FP+ because it enhanced our experience and thats all I meant. WDW was wonderful because it was not very crowded and i enjoy it that way. I simply meant that. And thats all. What the system brings to you and others in the future remains to be seen. I have no problem with the old system at all. In fact when before we got there I asked can we still use FP- when our 3 fp+ were gone…because i too want to ride as many things as I want.. I think everybody does..its expensive to go to WDW and you want to make the most of your stay. I have no problem with people who don't like the new system. I thought the combo of low crowds and new technology was wonderful. I pass no judgement on how that affects high crowds one way or the other. I
hope my logic is clear to you now

I think FP+ can be a cool thing in off peak season. It is an indicator of how good it could be all the time (all seasons) for Disney IF 1. The technology worked better (it may someday) 2. The ride capacity ratio was equal in the peak season as the non peak.

But of course that #2 issue is a huge problem and can't be fixed for at least 6 years at best. If ever.

It is peak season this week, more than 50% of the guests are showing up with no access to FP+, headliner fastpasses gone early in the morning, and no chance at all of grabbing a FP for things that are FP+ only (ETWB, haunted mansion, etc). Is Peter Pan FP+ only now? That would really frustrate me, if I had no opportunity to use FP on my trip.

So I would keep in mind that good FP+ experiences right now are coming at the expense of a lot of guests who spent thousands of dollars for a magical trip and are severely disappointed.