Here now, and here is the problem

[Angel Ariel]

What?? She wasn't calling you a name. She was referring to everyone reading as her "class"...like she was a teacher teaching us a lesson.

That's how I read it as well

 

[Robbi]

I can understand if people want to ride more than once of the same ride. I really do understand but please understand on the other side of the coin.

If you hate the new tier system and in turn hate the FP+ that's fine since we need the crowd capacity control. You may not see the crowd when you visit but it is getting worse as each year goes. So before Disney have time to put in a new ride they need to ration the rides. Why is that not easy to see?

Ration the rides and crowd capacity control? This is not about people starving in Africa and unless you're Bob Eiger, it really doesn't matter what you think or what I think.
We have as much right to complain about a program we don't like as you have to rave about liking it. If you don't like it, well....
Not only will I not stop going, I'm bringing extra people.

 

[lugnut33]

Yep, And we can't forget that Disney hasn't even started marketing FP+, yet. Once they do (and they've said they are) there will be a huge upswing in FP+ awareness. All of those first timers who had no clue about FP- will now be making FP+ reservations 60 days out. Or, at least their TA/CM will be doing it for them. No matter what we say about Disney, I think everyone agrees that Disney Marketing has their act together. When they get hold of FP+ - well, I guess we'll have a lot to talk about in the Spring...

And you know after they get done asking if they can help you make any dining reservations they will ask you if you need help scheduling your fast passes.

 

[lugnut33]

But how much peril is that, really, to Disney? A weeklong guest pays about $60 per ticket-day. I'm an AP holder living over 1000 miles from WDW and I'm paying less than $40 per ticket-day. A local with an AP pays even less. A once-in-a-lifetime (or once-in-many-years) spends on souvenirs from their magical vacation. I didn't buy a single piece of merchandise on my last trip and only a pin on the one before. My friend who lives in Orlando might buy a couple things each year, though she likes to shop Character Outlet rather than paying retail in the parks. A vacationer eats every meal on property (assuming an on-site stay) because it is convenient. I venture off property only very occasionally so I'm more "tourist" in that respect, but I have a TiW so Disney's still getting less for the table I'm taking up than for the table taken up by that first-timer. And locals and DVC owners are even less profitable - they go off-site for cheaper/better food, eat at home, or cook in their villas. And finally, that once-in-a-lifetime traveler might pay rack rate, or might take advantage of whatever discount Disney is promoting for their stay. I get an AP rate that is usually cheaper than anything offered to the general public, the DVC owner pre-paid for accommodations at a greatly discounted rate, and the local goes home to sleep. Meanwhile, those less-profitable groups - annual passholders, DVC members, and locals - know the classic FP system inside and out and know which rides are must-dos (and repeaters) and which can be skipped. That's allowed us to have the best possible park experience, often at the expense of less prepared visitors from that lucrative once-in-a-lifetime group who get stuck in the standby lines. I would argue that from a business standpoint it makes a great deal of sense to alienate some of us loyal, frequent guests in order to fill a bigger percentage of their rooms and park capacity with more profitable, more free-spending once-in-a-lifetime types.

Couple of things.

Us über abusers were at one time once in a lifetime vacationers also. Apparently the ubers didn't do enough to prevent us from becoming frequent visitors. Also, if the frequent visitor wasn't lucrative Disney wouldn't care about building DVC like madmen.

You've been many times, so just make sure you're prepared for a cut in your expectations once FP- goes away.

 

[DougEMG]

And this is a quote from CFO Rasulo in yahoo finance article:

FP+ is just anther means of making sure that Disney captures as much of a Orlando tourist's money as possible. Just like Magical Express, EMH and Free Dining it is meant to get you to the park and keep you in the park each and every day of your trip. From Disney's point of view any of your vacation dollars going somewhere else is a dollar being stolen from Disney. The fact that there are guests that are winners and losers from the new system is just a side effect of Disney being (hoping) the big winner.

 

[LuvFFPlus]

Um, yeah. And that's exactly how I wrote it on the previous page. I was trying to make a subtle point.

I was trying to alert without feeding.

I much appreciate and admire Jennasis and her efforts, though.

Of course you were trying to point out to your class on something you think I wrote as illegal, cheating, trolling. No doubt.

So what was wrong with what I wrote anyways you think your students needs to know? Was it wrong for me as a AP holder to reserve days that I may visit later? That is why there is a max limit on the number of FP+ an AP holder can reserve. If I decided that I may not visit WDW and then I cancel is that a crime against humanity?

You think everyone who book a reservation should refrain from making FP+ selection unless they are 110% sure?

Nice redirection on the class thing. Unless I was wrong in thinking all of the above then please let your students know why the bold?

 

[LuvFFPlus]

FP+ is just anther means of making sure that Disney captures as much of a Orlando tourist's money as possible. Just like Magical Express, EMH and Free Dining it is meant to get you to the park and keep you in the park each and every day of your trip. From Disney's point of view any of your vacation dollars going somewhere else is a dollar being stolen from Disney. The fact that there are guests that are winners and losers from the new system is just a side effect of Disney being (hoping) the big winner.

This I agree but that is nothing new either. Disney company has been like this for a long time.

 

[Court475]

Haven't read the whole thread, but I completely agree with the OP. We checked out today. We HAD to pull FP's because my sister joined us last minute and wasn't a resort guest. I will really miss the good old FP's. We used both during our trip depending on if she was with us, and I much preferred the paper FP's. The BTMR FP line was so long at one point on Wednesday that we gave away the paper FP's that we had pulled. (We'd ridden standby right after park opening.)

 

[LuvFFPlus]

Haven't read the whole thread, but I completely agree with the OP. We checked out today. We HAD to pull FP's because my sister joined us last minute and wasn't a resort guest. I will really miss the good old FP's. We used both during our trip depending on if she was with us, and I much preferred the paper FP's. The BTMR FP line was so long at one point on Wednesday that we gave away the paper FP's that we had pulled. (We'd ridden standby right after park opening.)

I'm a little bit confused. So if BTMR FP line was so long why is FP- better than FP+?

 

[Planogirl]

Haven't read the whole thread, but I completely agree with the OP. We checked out today. We HAD to pull FP's because my sister joined us last minute and wasn't a resort guest. I will really miss the good old FP's. We used both during our trip depending on if she was with us, and I much preferred the paper FP's. The BTMR FP line was so long at one point on Wednesday that we gave away the paper FP's that we had pulled. (We'd ridden standby right after park opening.)

That was nice of you and of course soon to be a thing of the past.

 

[LuvFFPlus]

That was nice of you and of course soon to be a thing of the past.

So have Disney announced that FP- is going away?

 

[davidl81]

I'm here now and guess what, the sky is not falling. The parks are crowed, but so far fast pass plus has worked great. I do think the lines for fast pass are bigger now, but I also think they are letting more fast pass people through and making stand by wait longer. I understand the people who are upset about being limited to 3 fast passes a day, but my thinking is lets just wait till the final roll out to see what it's like. Right now is still prelim so to base any decision on fast pass plus is premature. The best thing about fast pass plus is I don't have to get to a park at rope drop to get a fast pass, I can get to the park 1 hour after it opens and still be set for the day. Some people on this board would say I'm lazy and don't deserve fast passes for head liner rides since I did not get to the park at rope drop, but fast pass plus has actually made my disney trip better so far.

 

[4077]

Ride capacity does not change. The average number of rides/attractions per guest (assuming attendance is flat) will not change and may actually will go up as empty seats in less popular attractions fill up. What FP+ does is level the playing field. It is distribution of wealth on an amusement park level. For everyone who was riding 20 attractions per day through careful management of FP and planning there were people who only got a handful in. The 20's will go down, and the handfuls will go up. From a statistical stand point you can think of it as the standard (or more accurately the mean) remains the same but the standard deviation goes down. Most people on DIS are probably on the high end of the curve. Their experience will become "less". But it is all for the greater good. At least in Disneys eyes.

I have no formal opinion yet as I have not tried this new system out, but when I read this post (and I mean no insult to the poster...I am just pointing out how I couldn't help but laugh to myself), all I could say to myself was, "Ah, socialism." Haha.

 

[4077]

I agree with this, that is exactly what they are doing...redistributing. Which is fine, their business, their choice.

And of course, despite my own amusement about the leveling the playing field, this is most true....so love it or leave it, I guess....sad as that may (or may not) be.

 

[sonofanarchy]

I'm here now and guess what, the sky is not falling. The parks are crowed, but so far fast pass plus has worked great. I do think the lines for fast pass are bigger now, but I also think they are letting more fast pass people through and making stand by wait longer. I understand the people who are upset about being limited to 3 fast passes a day, but my thinking is lets just wait till the final roll out to see what it's like. Right now is still prelim so to base any decision on fast pass plus is premature. The best thing about fast pass plus is I don't have to get to a park at rope drop to get a fast pass, I can get to the park 1 hour after it opens and still be set for the day. Some people on this board would say I'm lazy and don't deserve fast passes for head liner rides since I did not get to the park at rope drop, but fast pass plus has actually made my disney trip better so far.

Ummmm, yeah. Longer fastpass lines, longer standby lines. Sounds wonderful.

 

[LuvFFPlus]

I'm here now and guess what, the sky is not falling. The parks are crowed, but so far fast pass plus has worked great. I do think the lines for fast pass are bigger now, but I also think they are letting more fast pass people through and making stand by wait longer. I understand the people who are upset about being limited to 3 fast passes a day, but my thinking is lets just wait till the final roll out to see what it's like. Right now is still prelim so to base any decision on fast pass plus is premature. The best thing about fast pass plus is I don't have to get to a park at rope drop to get a fast pass, I can get to the park 1 hour after it opens and still be set for the day. Some people on this board would say I'm lazy and don't deserve fast passes for head liner rides since I did not get to the park at rope drop, but fast pass plus has actually made my disney trip better so far.

That's my take on this as well.
I guess the ones that were most upset where the ones that like to ride 4 to 6 times of the same rides in a day. Their vacation is ruined otherwise.

 

[LuvFFPlus]

I have no formal opinion yet as I have not tried this new system out, but when I read this post (and I mean no insult to the poster...I am just pointing out how I couldn't help but laugh to myself), all I could say to myself was, "Ah, socialism." Haha.

Of course we can switch to capitalism with this as well. If you want 4 to 6 FP on the same ride in one day? Sure! Pay more than the ones that wants to ride it only once. People would have still complaint that Walt will turn in his grave.

 

[davidl81]

Ummmm, yeah. Longer fastpass lines, longer standby lines. Sounds wonderful.

Well the fast pass line is longer in the fact that there is more people, but since they seem to be letting more fast pass people on a ride versus stand by people the actual wait time for fast pass seems to be the same as before. I've only been here two days so far so I will follow up in a few more days to see if my feelings change.

 

[tiki23]

A "kelly" by any name is still just as annoying. I might have to add the new version to my ignore list as well.

 

[cbs0006]

I have thoroughly enjoyed my Thanksgiving week here. Wife is a teacher so we always travel at the busy times. Fast pass plus has been stupendous, I have not seen anyone having issues. We have not had to wait longer than 15 minutes so far and only did rope drop once. I believe there will have to be some changes at mk to make it work there. I am not someone that rides a ride multiple times in a trip so Fp plus worked great for me. It will help some people and probably hurt others based on the way you tour. It clearly is not the finished product so I will reserve final judgement until we get there, but so far so good.