Here now, and here is the problem

[LuvFFPlus]

Nonsense. There's a lockout period between FPs. There was absolutely nothing preventing anyone from getting a FP except their own will to do so.

For instance, I would regularly pull 3-4 FPs for EE, but only one of Soarin' or TSMM. Why? Because the demand for FPs of Soarin' and TSMM were much higher.
That's not how either system works.

So let me get this straight. You have just said you have no problem getting 3-4 FP for EE while those FP should have go to another person instead and also hold up the standby line at the same time. The new system is trying to prevent just that. You get the one FP and let the other guest enjoy the 2 - 3 FP rides for EE.

If that is what you mean by how the system works then you are exactly the reason FP+ is now tiered. You have created a FP frenzy that now people needs to go on to a web forum to learn how to get more FP than 1 per ride. Please go visit Universal and jam up HP instead.

 

[wen8jr]

So let me get this straight. You have just said you have no problem getting 3-4 FP for EE while those FP should have go to another person instead and also hold up the standby line at the same time. The new system is trying to prevent just that. You get the one FP and let the other guest enjoy the 2 - 3 FP rides for EE.

If that is what you mean by how the system works then you are exactly the reason FP+ is now tiered. You have created a FP frenzy that now people needs to go on to a web forum to learn how to get more FP than 1 per ride. Please go visit Universal and jam up HP instead.

I don't agree that the FP should have gone to another person instead. That person should have pulled a FP. The machines are sitting there ready to spit out a ticket until times are used up. If they didn't choose to go pull one then there are more available to those who would like to ride more. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that system, I can't see how you can argue that there is. Equal access to everyone depending upon that person's priority for their day.

And no worries, some of us already go to Uni and will go more now. And no jam up at HP because the onsite resort allows early entry for me so I make it a priority to arrange my day to get up early to do it without waiting in line.

You are trying to call people out for prioritizing and indicating the new FP+ will resolve that. I think you are wrong. When this rolls out, if it rolls out as it is right now to all ticket holders, those who don't prioritize what they want to do most will continue to miss the boat.

 

[Silock]

So let me get this straight. You have just said you have no problem getting 3-4 FP for EE while those FP should have go to another person instead and also hold up the standby line at the same time.

Pretty sure I'm getting trolled, but I'll respond, anyway. What do you mean "should?" Why "should" it? If they want a FP, they can go get one. The only reason it's available to me is because they DIDN'T go get one, not because they COULDN'T.

When I only get one FP for TSMM or Soarin', it's because I CAN'T get more than one because other people ARE taking advantage of their opportunity to get one themselves.

If that is what you mean by how the system works then you are exactly the reason FP+ is now tiered. You have created a FP frenzy that now people needs to go on to a web forum to learn how to get more FP than 1 per ride.

What's there to learn? It says on the ticket when you can come back and get another one, and the FP kiosks clearly state when that return time is. If you need instruction on this, then it's pretty clear that the only reason you need FP+ is because you want everything handed to you without having to put forth any effort whatsoever.

I didn't need a web forum to tell me how to best use the FP system. I'm not the most colorful Crayon in the box, but I put on my big boy pants and did some maths to figure it out for myself.

Please go visit Universal and jam up HP instead.

Kindly take that attitude and put it You-Know-Where.

 

[LuvFFPlus]

I don't agree that the FP should have gone to another person instead. That person should have pulled a FP. The machines are sitting there ready to spit out a ticket until times are used up. If they didn't choose to go pull one then there are more available to those who would like to ride more. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that system, I can't see how you can argue that there is. Equal access to everyone depending upon that person's priority for their day.

And no worries, some of us already go to Uni and will go more now. And no jam up at HP because the onsite resort allows early entry for me so I make it a priority to arrange my day to get up early to do it without waiting in line.

You are trying to call people out for prioritizing and indicating the new FP+ will resolve that. I think you are wrong. When this rolls out, if it rolls out as it is right now to all ticket holders, those who don't prioritize what they want to do most will continue to miss the boat.

Yet by pulling the FP you hold up the standby lines ever think of that? Yes the people waiting in standby lines are waiting too you know.
I have no worries about people going to Uni. Please do so as that will free up even more FP and ease the standby line wait time for everyone else.
I'm willing to miss your boat as I don't sail in the same direction as you do.

 

[morethananyonex]

I really, truly don't get the fairness aspect of this conversation. FP- was a truly equal system, as equal as you can really get. First come, first serve.

FP+ is not equal. The currently tested version is all sorts of unbalanced, resort guests only, some can double dip some can't, some have technology to access it more efficiently in the parks some don't, some can use the system when they aren't on wifi (on the busses) some can't, etc.

People can rave about this system all they want, but I will never believe it's a more fair system than FP-. Fairness in Disney isn't about distributing everything equally IMO, it's about giving everyone the same access to the systems that are available to them. Nobody was stopping anyone from doing rope drop at DHS and getting TSMM FP. I mean what's next? Having to choose between 2 popular restaurants even though you're accessing the system at 180+10 days and they're both available because it's only fair to go to 1 popular restaurant and save the other for someone else? The principle is the same.

 

[wen8jr]

Yet by pulling the FP you hold up the standby lines ever think of that? Yes the people waiting in standby lines are waiting too you know.
I have no worries about people going to Uni. Please do so as that will free up even more FP and ease the standby line wait time for everyone else.
I'm willing to miss your boat as I don't sail in the same direction as you do.

I think you are not thinking things through before you reply to posts - what do you think FP+ does to the standby lines?

Are you a FP+ fan as your name reflects or are you now a standby line fan? I'm getting confused.

 

[Minniesgal]

I really, truly don't get the fairness aspect of this conversation. FP- was a truly equal system, as equal as you can really get. First come, first serve. FP+ is not equal. The currently tested version is all sorts of unbalanced, resort guests only, some can double dip some can't, some have technology to access it more efficiently in the parks some don't, some can use the system when they aren't on wifi (on the busses) some can't, etc. People can rave about this system all they want, but I will never believe it's a more fair system than FP-. Fairness in Disney isn't about distributing everything equally IMO, it's about giving everyone the same access to the systems that are available to them. Nobody was stopping anyone from doing rope drop at DHS and getting TSMM FP. I mean what's next? Having to choose between 2 popular restaurants even though you're accessing the system at 180+10 days and they're both available because it's only fair to go to 1 popular restaurant and save the other for someone else? The principle is the same.

It isn't the system itself that is inherently unfair more the way it is being tested. I still think if we just wait for the roll out a lot of these issues will be solved.

 

[LuvFFPlus]

Pretty sure I'm getting trolled, but I'll respond, anyway. What do you mean "should?" Why "should" it? If they want a FP, they can go get one. The only reason it's available to me is because they DIDN'T go get one, not because they COULDN'T.
When I only get one FP for TSMM or Soarin', it's because I CAN'T get more than one because other people ARE taking advantage of their opportunity to get one themselves.
What's there to learn? It says on the ticket when you can come back and get another one, and the FP kiosks clearly state when that return time is. If you need instruction on this, then it's pretty clear that the only reason you need FP+ is because you want everything handed to you without having to put forth any effort whatsoever.
I didn't need a web forum to tell me how to best use the FP system. I'm not the most colorful Crayon in the box, but I put on my big boy pants and did some maths to figure it out for myself.
Kindly take that attitude and shove it You-Know-Where.

WOW all the self entitlement in one post! One FP per ride, dude get on the program. If you don't like it, it's not my problem but yours. If you need more than one ride for that attraction then wait in the standby line. What made you so special that you need to get on the same rides multiple times ahead of everyone all the time? If you feel that your are not getting your money's worth then hey you can then you decide if going to WDW is the right thing for you. I am not telling you what to do.

 

[wen8jr]

I really, truly don't get the fairness aspect of this conversation. FP- was a truly equal system, as equal as you can really get. First come, first serve.

FP+ is not equal. The currently tested version is all sorts of unbalanced, resort guests only, some can double dip some can't, some have technology to access it more efficiently in the parks some don't, some can use the system when they aren't on wifi (on the busses) some can't, etc.

People can rave about this system all they want, but I will never believe it's a more fair system than FP-. Fairness in Disney isn't about distributing everything equally IMO, it's about giving everyone the same access to the systems that are available to them. Nobody was stopping anyone from doing rope drop at DHS and getting TSMM FP. I mean what's next? Having to choose between 2 popular restaurants even though you're accessing the system at 180+10 days and they're both available because it's only fair to go to 1 popular restaurant and save the other for someone else? The principle is the same.

I totally agree.

 

[Silock]

WOW all the self entitlement in one post!

Pot, meet kettle!

What made you so special that you need to get on the same rides multiple times ahead of everyone all the time?

What made you so special that you couldn't take advantage of the system that allowed you to do the very same thing, but you just couldn't be bothered?

Your outright refusal to accept that the system only allowed people to do it because not everyone did is truly baffling. The ONLY reason you could do multiple rides with a FP is because other people CHOSE not to. That's it. There's no other reason.

I am not telling you what to do.

You just did, when you told me to go elsewhere.

I think you're just , but I'm bored, so I'm responding.

 

[LuvFFPlus]

I think you are not thinking things through before you reply to posts - what do you think FP+ does to the standby lines?

Are you a FP+ fan as your name reflects or are you now a standby line fan? I'm getting confused.

It is you who is not thinking straight. Your FP- or FP+ will eventually jam up the guys in the standby lines. You are making their wait time longer by going back to that same ride more than one time a day using FP.

I am a FP+ fan as that will make WDW to be more of a fair system in the long run for all guests. FP or standby lines. All things in the world is finite. If you don't ration them there is no way you can sustain everyone. So guess what? Disney is now rationing your FP per day and I for one is very happy for that.

 

[morethananyonex]

It isn't the system itself that is inherently unfair more the way it is being tested. I still think if we just wait for the roll out a lot of these issues will be solved.

It's not just the way it's being tested. Is Disney going to pay my data charges when I leave Canada so I can use my smartphone at all times too? Is Disney going to loan out smartphones to people who don't have so they too can access MDE at all times? Kiosks for people without smart phones still doesn't equalize the playing field.

How is a system that required nothing to use it but the park ticket you got into the park with unfair but a system that requires an additional piece of technology to use it fully fair? Say whatever you want about FP+, but fair and equal is not how I would describe it.

Would anybody on the DISboards who dines at Disney often stand behind a system where dining was now tiered in the name of fairness? Pick one popular meal only, and only book one meal per day (choose one, not all three) because it's only fair to those who choose not to book when the window opens. It's the same concept.

 

[Silock]

Your FP- or FP+ will eventually jam up the guys in the standby lines.

Hilarious that your precious FP+ and its many malfunctions is what is currently holding up lines the most.

 

[Angel Ariel]

All things in the world is finite. If you don't ration them there is no way you can sustain everyone. So guess what? Disney is now rationing your FP per day and I for one is very happy for that.

Or they could build more attractions and have a ride-to-guest ratio more like the one DLR has. DLR doesn't have issues with FPs for Soarin' running out at 10am. Most of the headliners there don't have issues with FPs running out early in the day. RSR was an issue when it opened, but i think even that's backed off a bit now that it's been open a while. TSMM doesn't have FP at all, and the line is usually around 40-45 mins (not horrible for one ride).

When DLR has about the same # of attractions in 1 park (DCA) that WDW has in 2 (Epcot/DHS), it highlights a problem IMO. WDW has more people attending it each year than DLR. Logic would seem to indicate that more people attending should equal more rides to accommodate them, and yet it hasn't.

 

[LuvFFPlus]

Pot, meet kettle!
What made you so special that you couldn't take advantage of the system that allowed you to do the very same thing, but you just couldn't be bothered?
Your outright refusal to accept that the system only allowed people to do it because not everyone did is truly baffling. The ONLY reason you could do multiple rides with a FP is because other people CHOSE not to. That's it. There's no other reason.
You just did, when you told me to go elsewhere.
I think you're just , but I'm bored, so I'm responding.

Again with the assumptions, so how many FP+ trips have you done? Please let me know how much less rides compare to before as well.
So I like the new FP+ system is showing that I just couldn't be bothered to use fp-? You must really failed at logic on that one, please do explain where that connection is coming from?

Please use logic and reason to support your claims.

 

[wen8jr]

It is you who is not thinking straight. Your FP- or FP+ will eventually jam up the guys in the standby lines. You are making their wait time longer by going back to that same ride more than one time a day using FP.

I am a FP+ fan as that will make WDW to be more of a fair system in the long run for all guests. FP or standby lines. All things in the world is finite. If you don't ration them there is no way you can sustain everyone. So guess what? Disney is now rationing your FP per day and I for one is very happy for that.

Again, you are not making sense (see quote in bold) since you are contradicting yourself and now also calling it "my" system(??).

But since I like to have intelligent conversations and debates - I'll back out of responding further to someone I feel has just signed up an account on here to be a trouble maker. Ciao.

 

[bcrook]

It's not just the way it's being tested. Is Disney going to pay my data charges when I leave Canada so I can use my smartphone at all times too? Is Disney going to loan out smartphones to people who don't have so they too can access MDE at all times? Kiosks for people without smart phones still doesn't equalize the playing field.

How is a system that required nothing to use it but the park ticket you got into the park with unfair but a system that requires an additional piece of technology to use it fully fair? Say whatever you want about FP+, but fair and equal is not how I would describe it.

Would anybody on the DISboards who dines at Disney often stand behind a system where dining was now tiered in the name of fairness? Pick one popular meal only, and only book one meal per day (choose one, not all three) because it's only fair to those who choose not to book when the window opens. It's the same concept.

I agree with you.

But consider this (I am thinking through it). With restaurants it doesn't matter who is sitting there as long as the tables are filled.

With FP+ the goal is to lock in as many different people into ride reservations. That way as many different people won't want to go to universal. I think that might be their motivation for this. NOT equity, but entrapment! .

Disney is widening their nets.

 

[LuvFFPlus]

Hilarious that your precious FP+ and its many malfunctions is what is currently holding up lines the most.

Not the ride lines I'm sure. As the people who is waiting at the standby lines are happily marching in. So are we talking about the FP+ concepts now or you are talking about infrastructure of FP+. Two different things, and please do let me know where your personal experience of these malfunctions are? I personally have malfunctions but not to the point where it's holding up my ride abilities.

 

[LuvFFPlus]

Or they could build more attractions and have a ride-to-guest ratio more like the one DLR has. DLR doesn't have issues with FPs for Soarin' running out at 10am. Most of the headliners there don't have issues with FPs running out early in the day. RSR was an issue when it opened, but i think even that's backed off a bit now that it's been open a while. TSMM doesn't have FP at all, and the line is usually around 40-45 mins (not horrible for one ride).

When DLR has about the same # of attractions in 1 park (DCA) that WDW has in 2 (Epcot/DHS), it highlights a problem IMO. WDW has more people attending it each year than DLR. Logic would seem to indicate that more people attending should equal more rides to accommodate them, and yet it hasn't.

And then there will be a point where the rides are still not enough for everyone. Building new rides needs time what do you suggest Disney do in the mean time while the rides are being built?

 

[bcrook]

Again, you are not making sense (see quote in bold) since you are contradicting yourself and now also calling it "my" system(??).

But since I like to have intelligent conversations and debates - I'll back out of responding further to someone I feel has just signed up an account on here to be a trouble maker. Ciao.

I agree, I can't make sense of any of these posts either.