Here it is - Announcement re More FP+ Beginning 4/28

[Mad Hattered]

maybe it was. How many did you send?

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wdw.guest.communications@disneyworld.com

Walt Disney World Guest Communications
PO Box 10040
Lake Buena Vista, FL 32830-0040

 

[jade1]

Wouldn't it be great if all of this had its roots in a high-level executive discussion in which the topic was "Gee, how can we enhance the magic, spread the pixie dust, increase the happiness and satisfaction levels of every single one of our park guests in the fairest and most equitable manner possible?"

Because if that was the original intent, then many of the posts I read would make total sense.

Actually if you define "pixie dust" as obtaining FP's for headliners-I think it does just that. I can't think of a better way actually.

Tier 2 may be the casualty-but thats a trade off at least I'm more than willing to make.

Some on here have even admitted they don't like FP+ because now 100% are using FP-they hate it because they have to share 50% of what they used to get.

 

[hookedonears]

I called and talked to a cast member about FP+ yesterday, and she told me, what you would expect them to say, that they are not told what will happen until it happens, but she did say that FP+ is still in the testing phase, and she expected changes will be made from time to time.

Disney missed the boat on FP+. Preprogrammed FP's should have been limited to afternoon use only, for park hopping purposes, or late arrivals. They should have also limited it to 2 per day at one park. Not allowing 2 FP's for the same attraction, kills the way we tour the parks, and changes our desire to go back any time soon.

 

[Angel Ariel]

Actually if you define "pixie dust" as obtaining FP's for headliners-I think it does just that. I can't think of a better way actually.

Tier 2 may be the casualty-but thats a trade off at least I'm more than willing to make.

Some on here have even admitted they don't like FP+ because now 100% are using FP-they hate it because they have to share 50% of what they used to get.

I didn't like the artificial limitation. I know I said a while back that if I couldnt get legacy fps because everyone was using them, and they were just hone, ok sobeit. But not being able to get them because Disney proclaimed a limit of 3 was.something else entirely.

The new changes may still mean there aren't fps left, just because they are being used,.but that -imo- is still better than not being able to get fps just because.Disney said my limit was reached.

 

[jade1]

I didn't like the artificial limitation. I know I said a while back that if I couldnt get legacy fps because everyone was using them, and they were just hone, ok sobeit. But not being able to get them because Disney proclaimed a limit of 3 was.something else entirely.

The new changes may still mean there aren't fps left, just because they are being used,.but that -imo- is still better than not being able to get fps just because.Disney said my limit was reached.

So how would you improve the fairest and equitable way of dispersing FP for headliners? Other than "no limit for you" of course.

 

[FPminusCommando]

So how would you improve the fairest and equitable way of dispersing FP for headliners? Other than "no limit for you" of course.

The road to disaster is paved by intentions to be fair and equal.

 

[morethananyonex]

So how would you improve the fairest and equitable way of dispersing FP for headliners? Other than "no limit for you" of course.

Fairest? First come first serve, to a park, with your ticket (any ticket), no matter where you're staying. No personal technology needed, you show up you have the exact same chance as everyone else.

Equitable? One ride per headliner per day per person. No stand by lines. One FP (or line pass each).

IMO fairest was very close to what we had in the past. FP+ is not as fair IMO. You have restrictions based on where you're staying, the type of ticket you hold (sucks for CMs), and your access to technology and ability to use it. Both systems give an edge to people who know the Disney parks, but FP+ more so IMO as plans are meant to be made before you arrive at the park.

FP+ and FP- are an were not systems that create equality amongst guests, nor should they IMO. Guests who arrive earlier should be able to do more than their counterparts who arrive at noon. Guests who stay later should be able to do more than their counterparts who leave at 6. Guests who are willing to plan out their day and "work" at it should be able to do more than guests who do no research. That's the way of the world.

I guess what I'm trying to say is any system that provides everyone with the exact same opportunity to use it is the fairest (the end results don't dictate what's fair or not IMO) and there is no way to equalize park experiences across the board. FP+ is not about fairness or equality, it's about Disney attempting to lock people into their plans so they spend more money at Disney.

 

[jade1]

Wouldn't it be great if all of this had its roots in a high-level executive discussion in which the topic was "Gee, how can we enhance the magic, spread the pixie dust, increase the happiness and satisfaction levels of every single one of our park guests in the fairest and most equitable manner possible?"

The road to disaster is paved by intentions to be fair and equal.

Did you mean this for me?

 

[jade1]

Fairest? First come first serve, to a park, with your ticket (any ticket), no matter where you're staying. No personal technology needed, you show up you have the exact same chance as everyone else.

Equitable? One ride per headliner per day per person. No stand by lines. One FP (or line pass each).

IMO fairest was very close to what we had in the past. FP+ is not as fair IMO. You have restrictions based on where you're staying, the type of ticket you hold (sucks for CMs), and your access to technology and ability to use it. Both systems give an edge to people who know the Disney parks, but FP+ more so IMO as plans are meant to be made before you arrive at the park.

FP+ and FP- are an were not systems that create equality amongst guests, nor should they IMO. Guests who arrive earlier should be able to do more than their counterparts who arrive at noon. Guests who stay later should be able to do more than their counterparts who leave at 6. Guests who are willing to plan out their day and "work" at it should be able to do more than guests who do no research. That's the way of the world.

I guess what I'm trying to say is any system that provides everyone with the exact same opportunity to use it is the fairest (the end results don't dictate what's fair or not IMO) and there is no way to equalize park experiences across the board. FP+ is not about fairness or equality, it's about Disney attempting to lock people into their plans so they spend more money at Disney.

For FP headliners the only tweaks FP+ needs is 60 days for offsite and CM tickets. 100% use it now compared to 50% before. And you will get more if you arrive early and know the system.

 

[Belle5]

I've finally made it through the whole thread.! This is what I know about planning for an upcoming June trip. We will be travelling with some extended family that will more than likely be a one and done. Me and another family member that has been to Disney have been trying for weeks to get them to decide on rides to make FP+s for and we are within 60 days and getting close to 30 days. They are very much overwhelmed!! To the point they are getting turned off to the whole trip. The two of us that have travelled to Disney have decided to just plan things out with our knowledge of Disney and those family members and try to help lead them through their day.

I have no doubts that they will still have a good time and some great family memories but I also have no doubt that if they would have had a much nicer and easier trip if they had gone last summer. I've helped others plan trips, explained the old FP system and have been thanked after they returned. I can't say the same with the new system. The new amount of planning has added a new level of stress that I do not enjoy. I do not like worrying if I made the right decision about the times I have picked for our FP+s. I do not like worrying about the fact that my family of 3 doesn't have a smart phone to try and change those FP+s if I didn't make the right decision. I do not like the fact that the Samsung tablet that we bought in part to be able to use the new Disney app isn't compatible with the app (when every $0.99 crappy app every made will work on it....how can this be possible from Disney!!!) I do not like the fact that Disney is playing with the FP+ spots. You want me to use your great new system then throw the spots out there and let the chips fall where they may. And I say that as a family that hasn't made all their FP+s and is getting close to 30 days. So another thing I can add to the list of my dislikes of the new FP+ system is these new feelings it has brought about my upcoming trip.

I've never said that we would not be going back to Disney and I am still not saying that. I will see what this year's trip will be like. I will say that all of this does not make me feel warm and fuzzy about my favorite place. Worry and stress are now added to my list of feelings about planning my Disney vacation. Those feeling have never been present before this year.

I understand completely!

 

[FPminusCommando]

Did you mean this for me?

I'm just yelling up into the sky to the universe. I hope someone is listening.

 

[clsteve]

I'm just yelling up into the sky to the universe. I hope someone is listening.

Seek help if you get an answer....

(excellent avatar, btw)

 

[morethananyonex]

For FP headliners the only tweaks FP+ needs is 60 days for offsite and CM tickets. 100% use it now compared to 50% before.

Do you have a source that says 100% of people use it? I've never heard numbers that high.

Even so, the fairest system is the one that creates equal opportunity, not equal results IMO. Equal opportunity is everyone having the chance to get to a park at opening and collect FP, choosing not to does not mean it's unfair. Equal opportunity is not (again, my opinion), different booking windows depending on your resort, different opportunities depending on your ticket, technology use outside the parks being required for best results, and previous park knowledge.

Am I complaining that FP+ is unfair? No, not really, but when you discuss the fairest system possible I don't think placing more barriers on guests that some overcome easier than others (to the point that it's impossible for some people to overcome) is the answer.

Again, the most equitable way of doing things is one ride per headliner per person per visit, and no FP allowed (because not everyone can get one). Clearly that is not what this is about.

 

[kaymil]

Maybe I'm in the minority, but I'm just thankful that FP even exists. There are, obviously, positives and negatives to both systems, but just thinking about the fact that when I'm at Universal in June I would have to pay almost the entire cost of my ticket to get an express pass, I'm just glad I can get even 1 FP+ for an attraction with a very long wait like TSMM for free, and without booking it to the ride at RD, too! I think all these changes are stressful for all of us, but for me it's just extra Disney research before my trip, which is almost as much fun as actually being there!

 

[hookedonears]

Do you have a source that says 100% of people use it? I've never heard numbers that high.

Even so, the fairest system is the one that creates equal opportunity, not equal results IMO. Equal opportunity is everyone having the chance to get to a park at opening and collect FP, choosing not to does not mean it's unfair. Equal opportunity is not (again, my opinion), different booking windows depending on your resort, different opportunities depending on your ticket, technology use outside the parks being required for best results, and previous park knowledge.

Am I complaining that FP+ is unfair? No, not really, but when you discuss the fairest system possible I don't think placing more barriers on guests that some overcome easier than others (to the point that it's impossible for some people to overcome) is the answer.

Again, the most equitable way of doing things is one ride per headliner per person per visit, and no FP allowed (because not everyone can get one). Clearly that is not what this is about.

That's why limiting pre-programmed FP+ to 2 per person at one park and for the second half of each park day (park day 9-9, so 3PM and after), opens fair use of the FP system to everyone.

 

[mom2mickeyfan]

Maybe I'm in the minority, but I'm just thankful that FP even exists. There are, obviously, positives and negatives to both systems, but just thinking about the fact that when I'm at Universal in June I would have to pay almost the entire cost of my ticket to get an express pass, I'm just glad I can get even 1 FP+ for an attraction with a very long wait like TSMM for free, and without booking it to the ride at RD, too! I think all these changes are stressful for all of us, but for me it's just extra Disney research before my trip, which is almost as much fun as actually being there!

Then you would have jumped for joy to have been able to travel with our family last year when we got 9 FPs and rode over 20 rides in MK during the second week of June last year!

 

[practicallyperfect77]

Maybe I'm in the minority, but I'm just thankful that FP even exists. There are, obviously, positives and negatives to both systems, but just thinking about the fact that when I'm at Universal in June I would have to pay almost the entire cost of my ticket to get an express pass, I'm just glad I can get even 1 FP+ for an attraction with a very long wait like TSMM for free, and without booking it to the ride at RD, too! I think all these changes are stressful for all of us, but for me it's just extra Disney research before my trip, which is almost as much fun as actually being there!

The difference is Disney offered a system.previously that was also free that had much more flexibility (in some opinions) and offerred the ability to get in lots more than 3 rides with a minimal.wait. This system changed. It doesn't make sense to me to compare to Uni or to compare to no FPs b/c that isn't the system that was in place for the last 10+ years. (Sorry can't remember the exact date FP- rolled out).

 

[kaymil]

Then you would have jumped for joy to have been able to travel with our family last year when we got 9 FPs and rode over 20 rides in MK during the second week of June last year!

That would definitely cause jumping for joy! Let me know the next time you go and I'd be happy to tag along!

 

[kaymil]

The difference is Disney offered a system.previously that was also free that had much more flexibility (in some opinions) and offerred the ability to get in lots more than 3 rides with a minimal.wait. This system changed. It doesn't make sense to me to compare to Uni or to compare to no FPs b/c that isn't the system that was in place for the last 10+ years. (Sorry can't remember the exact date FP- rolled out).

I've used the legacy system many times, and although I see the level of flexibility in getting more fast passes with the old system, I think the new systems provides flexibility in other ways too, like being able to choose your time for the 3 you get and being able to change them if they are not needed. If someone gives me an entire free cake today, but I only get a free cupcake tomorrow, I may be prone to complain at first, especially if I'm used to the former, but either way they're both still better than nothing. But then again, I tend to look on the bright side

 

[JanaDee]

So how would you improve the fairest and equitable way of dispersing FP for headliners? Other than "no limit for you" of course.

Legacy FP was the most fair way of dispersing FP for headliners-first come, first serve.