Here it is - Announcement re More FP+ Beginning 4/28

[mom2mickeyfan]

That would definitely cause jumping for joy! Let me know the next time you go and I'd be happy to tag along!

Sorry, I do not believe with the new FP+ system that we will be able to repeat that kind of day at that time of the year.

 

[OB1]

I've used the legacy system many times, and although I see the level of flexibility in getting more fast passes with the old system, I think the new systems provides flexibility in other ways too, like being able to choose your time for the 3 you get and being able to change them if they are not needed.

AGREE. I used the hybrid FP last DEC, but I think we will like the FP+. Not having to make the dash for TSM or Soarin will be nice. Changing on the fly will be nice. I really think one reason for change was to allow more people access. Even recently, FP was like something special that a lot of guests still did not use.

Of course, with all the issues in our current version, a lot of guest may also not use it now. IF someone is willing to accept the computer pick times, then its really not that bad. Choose your 3 rides, then morning, afternoon, or evening, and its done. Its for those of us in the know that want all FP at an exact time, thats where it gets more complicated and time consuming.

 

[Planogirl]

Legacy FP was the most fair way of dispersing FP for headliners-first come, first serve.

I agree. I've never understood the thought that people who didn't do their research and just showed up should have expected the same experiences as those who worked at planning a day at the park. It just doesn't work that way anywhere as far as I know.

 

[morethananyonex]

I agree. I've never understood the thought that people who didn't do their research and just showed up should have expected the same experiences as those who worked at planning a day at the park. It just doesn't work that way anywhere as far as I know.

And to add, it still doesn't work that way with FP+, in many ways it's worse.

Someone who does no research and shows up at a park at 11 AM with nothing planned is not going to have a better time than they would have with FP-, possibly may have a worse time. Everything still runs out. The difference now is stand by lines are longer at the attractions that didn't previously have FP, or had low FP use.

In order to correct this for the rest of their trip, they have to learn the system and the parks and book for the rest of their trip ASAP. There's a chance the big attractions may not be available, a large chance for things like A&E. With FP-, the system reset overnight, and every day brought a new opportunity to fix the touring mistakes of the previous day. Not so anymore. FP+ also has more funny little rules and tricks to know that benefit those in the know than the couple FP- did.

 

[Planogirl]

And to add, it still doesn't work that way with FP+, in many ways it's worse.

Someone who does no research and shows up at a park at 11 AM with nothing planned is not going to have a better time than they would have with FP-, possibly may have a worse time. Everything still runs out. The difference now is stand by lines are longer at the attractions that didn't previously have FP, or had low FP use.

In order to correct this for the rest of their trip, they have to learn the system and the parks and book for the rest of their trip ASAP. There's a chance the big attractions may not be available, a large chance for things like A&E. With FP-, the system reset overnight, and every day brought a new opportunity to fix the touring mistakes of the previous day. Not so anymore. FP+ also has more funny little rules and tricks to know that benefit those in the know than the couple FP- did.

Some people have said that many visitors don't even buy a pass until they show up at the park. Many of them wouldn't have a clue that they need to preschedule anything. I've seen newbies upset because they can't find a full serve restaurant to dine at and now you can add headliners to that during busy times.

 

[Angel Ariel]

So how would you improve the fairest and equitable way of dispersing FP for headliners? Other than "no limit for you" of course.

What in the world? I was saying I DON' T have a problem with these new changes to fp+, because I'd rather not have access to fps because they are all gone rather than not have access to them (even though there may be done left) just because Disney placed a limit.

I was saying I think these new changes are *more fair* than the previous limits. . I have *never* made comments here that would indicate I think there should just be no.limits for me and to heck with everyone else. But thanks for the snark and assuming the worst about me.

 

[jade1]

Do you have a source that says 100% of people use it? I've never heard numbers that high.

Even so, the fairest system is the one that creates equal opportunity, not equal results IMO. Equal opportunity is everyone having the chance to get to a park at opening and collect FP, choosing not to does not mean it's unfair. Equal opportunity is not (again, my opinion), different booking windows depending on your resort, different opportunities depending on your ticket, technology use outside the parks being required for best results, and previous park knowledge.

Am I complaining that FP+ is unfair? No, not really, but when you discuss the fairest system possible I don't think placing more barriers on guests that some overcome easier than others (to the point that it's impossible for some people to overcome) is the answer.

Again, the most equitable way of doing things is one ride per headliner per person per visit, and no FP allowed (because not everyone can get one). Clearly that is not what this is about.

No others have said that-but it's an increasing % using it.

Like I said, the only tweaks are 60 days off site and CM tickets-then everyone has a chance to be at park opening "virtually" at 60 days out. It is impossible to have everyone arrive at park opening in person.

 

[Laketravis]

So how would you improve the fairest and equitable way of dispersing FP for headliners?

(TAC / NOPH) + (TVPD - PR * IP) = MNGPIP

Where:

TAC = Total Attraction Capacity
NOPH = Number of Opportunities per Hour
PR = Popularity Ranking
IP = Individual Preference
MNGPIP= Maximum number of guests permitted in park
TVPD = Total volume of pixie dust

Or just pass out FP's that look like Pokemon cards and let people trade while they are waiting in SB lines.

 

[jade1]

is still better than not being able to get fps just because.Disney said my limit was reached.

What in the world? I was saying I DON' T have a problem with these new changes to fp+, because I'd rather not have access to fps because they are all gone rather than not have access to them (even though there may be done left) just because Disney placed a limit.

I was saying I think these new changes are *more fair* than the previous limits. . I have *never* made comments here that would indicate I think there should just be no.limits for me and to heck with everyone else. But thanks for the snark and assuming the worst about me.

Sorry.

 

[Sammie]

Of course we have friends that discuss jobs like that. The difference is that they are my friends. I know them. I don't know you.

if I claimed some super secret inside knowledge on a message board where I don't have a reputation/track record for such knowledge, I wouldn't expect everyone to believe me.

I don't expect anyone to believe me. As to a track record of being believed, I will go back to the DVC and Resort forums where for the last 15 years and over 20,000 posts I am believed. Because I have never shared anything in those 15 years that did not come to pass.

Have a great day, and be sure to ride Seven Dwarfs when it opens to the public, it was fabulous. Look for me in that commercial.

 

[Angel Ariel]

Just because I may not like fp+ doesn't mean I want to screw other people over.

I would have been just fine with Disney promoting the old fp system the way they are fp+ and usage being thr same percentage as it is now, with fp+.

I understand it would have meant less fps for me, but less fps for me because other guests are legitimately using them and they are just sold out is a different situation than an artificial limitation, where there may be fps left, but once I use my limit it doesn't matter if there are any left or not because they aren't available to me.

 

[morethananyonex]

No others have said that-but it's an increasing % using it. Like I said, the only tweaks are 60 days off site and CM tickets-then everyone has a chance to be at park opening "virtually" at 60 days out. It is impossible to have everyone arrive at park opening in person.

It's impossible to have everyone arrive at 60 days out online as well. Some people don't have access, some people don't have the knowledge, some people don't have plans that far out, and sometimes Disney's site just prohibits everyone from arriving online 60 days in advance .

Arriving at rope drop is less prohibitive IMO. Access is there for the taking at no extra cost (like Internet or a computer), arriving somewhere at opening for best results is common knowledge for almost everything compared to knowing to get online 60 days before your arrival, if people have plans to go to Disney most have it figured out by 9 that morning certainly more than know 60 days out, and even the tapstiles are more reliable than Disney's site. The only real barrier to arriving at rope drop is people's willingness to do so.

Everyone has always had the chance to be at park opening. The system was not unfair. FP+ just benefits Disney more, that's why it exists.

 

[Angel Ariel]

I don't expect anyone to believe me.

Except you seem incredulous that people aren't believing you....

As to a track record of being believed, I will go back to the DVC and Resort forums where for the last 15 years and over 20,000 posts I am believed. Because I have never shared anything in those 15 years that did not come to pass.

I don't hang out in those forums, so I wouldn't know your track record there. And # of posts doesn't necessarily equal inside knowledge

Look..you seem to be taking this personally. I'm not saying you are lying. I'm simply saying I don't know you from Adam, so just saying "I have inside.knowledge" doesn't mean much to me. Ot doesnt mean I think you are making it up, or lying or what have you...just that I'm not going to blindly accept information from someone I don't know as fact. I think that's pretty reasonable. . It's not personal.

 

[jade1]

It's impossible to have everyone arrive at 60 days out online as well. Some people don't have access, some people don't have the knowledge, some people don't have plans that far out, and sometimes Disney's site just prohibits everyone from arriving online 60 days in advance .

Arriving at rope drop is less prohibitive IMO. Access is there for the taking at no extra cost (like Internet or a computer), arriving somewhere at opening for best results is common knowledge for almost everything compared to knowing to get online 60 days before your arrival, if people have plans to go to Disney most have it figured out by 9 that morning certainly more than know 60 days out, and even the tapstiles are more reliable than Disney's site. The only real barrier to arriving at rope drop is people's willingness to do so.

Everyone has always had the chance to be at park opening. The system was not unfair. FP+ just benefits Disney more, that's why it exists.

Totally valid-but it's early, we may find 59 days has plenty available as well, or 45 day, or 30 days-heck I saw everything available at noon yesterday.

 

[gwynne]

Just a question about after 4/28, we're big park hoppers and want to take advantage of that.

Would it work to schedule two rides really early, (which we'll skip) and then ToT which we'll actually ride?
That way when we arrive two will have expired, we'll use the third. Then can we go to a different park, stop at the kiosk and grab a FP+ if available?

Is there a better way to do this? Thanks for your help!

 

[jade1]

Just because I may not like fp+ doesn't mean I want to screw other people over.

I would have been just fine with Disney promoting the old fp system the way they are fp+ and usage being thr same percentage as it is now, with fp+.

I understand it would have meant less fps for me, but less fps for me because other guests are legitimately using them and they are just sold out is a different situation than an artificial limitation, where there may be fps left, but once I use my limit it doesn't matter if there are any left or not because they aren't available to me.

You have heard of the change coming in 2 days right?

 

[mom2mickeyfan]

Just a question about after 4/28, we're big park hoppers and want to take advantage of that.

Would it work to schedule two rides really early, (which we'll skip) and then ToT which we'll actually ride?
That way when we arrive two will have expired, we'll use the third. Then can we go to a different park, stop at the kiosk and grab a FP+ if available?

Is there a better way to do this? Thanks for your help!

But since you can reschedule FP+s that you didn't use but has expired, will it make you in fact take and use 3 in one park before you can park hop? Wouldn't those 2 that expired still be in the system for you to use? I thought that was one of the great things about the new system was that if you missed your FP+, that you didn't lose it. How will that work with the new added on 4th FP+?

 

[surferdave]

So how would you improve the fairest and equitable way of dispersing FP for headliners? Other than "no limit for you" of course.

This was my suggestion. I think it's fair and actually meets Disney's desires for what they hope to get out of the system, better than what they are doing now.

http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=3250322

 

[Angel Ariel]

You have heard of the change coming in 2 days right?

Yes...the change is what I have been referring to all along. My posts this morning have been about why I prefer the change coming on Monday to what was in existence with fp+ before, even if there is no availability for the 4th fp. I thought I made that clear in an earlier post, sorry.

I still don't like fp+, mostly because I don't want to prebook rides. I will, because I know it will be necessary, just as I feel with adrs...but that doesnt mean I like it.

 

[WILDERNESS FAN 55]

FP+ is here to stay !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Keeps getting tweaked/enhanced and seems to be more popular each day ! I could get 8-10 FP under old system if I really tried but when you could you never needed them all. When you park hopped the headliners were gone until very late if any ! With FP+ people may change to some other ride and those spots become available ! Old system the tickets were tossed(mostly) and spots were gone even though no one used them Bottom line you can send all the emails you want but they have a plan. They had a plan all along but many were just too , hmm what's the word, anyway they are enacting their plan on their time frame.
Can't wait to see what they have in store for us More Magic for sure