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[grlpwrd]

No one said the DIS was the cause. Your lack of time spent studying and your reliance on other people's work is the cause. Too much time online instead of with your head in your schoolbooks is the cause. Too little parental involvement and supervision is the cause. You must be really proud of how you "got one over" on your Teacher by letting Mommy and Daddy fight for you.

By the way, does this look familiar? (From the site you were banned from...)





I think you made my point for me, thanks! You just gotta love google, lol.




Tracy

Geez, is this really necessary? I am one of those people who dig up old posts, but not when it comes to a child. The poster is a teen. They can cry one minute saying I hate you and hug you the next. lol

He is still a child and I really don't feel comfortable raking him through the coals. Goodness gracious, he's just got a lot to learn.

That is why I wonder about how involved his parents are and whether they are giving him good guidance etc. I really have to wonder, too, that he comes here for advice. Perhaps this is one of his few outlets in life... Sorry, I can't knock him down even more. He's reaching out to us... then again it drives me crazy when he doesn't listen or take advice. *sigh*

 

[kdm31091]

Without knowing anything about that site Tracy, shut up. You don't even know why I was banned, and they ban like crazy on there.

And btw, lesroi/Tracy you DID say the DIS was the cause. You said something like if you spent less time here your grades would go up.

And btw, making comments about my mom and dad are really unnessacary. Some of you don't care how much evidence against this guy I have or how valid my parents are - you're mad because I didn't learn something, but yet I did. Stop judging. My family is supportive. Now, gay people like me tend to have less friends unless your school is VERY accepting, so maybe this site is just my attempt at friends, I don't know.

And seriously, some of you are just NASTY. It's not nessacary to knock me down at every chance you get.

I do not understand the whole "why he came here for advice". A lot of ADULTS ask advice questions on here, does that mean they don't have real world support? Sheesh.

In all fairness, I do listen, but just because you get advice doesnt mean you take every single piece of it. A lot of times when asking for advice you already know what you're going to do, you just want reinforcement.

AS I SAID SEVERAL TIMES, I TRIED to follow the advice - cancel the meeting and apologize - and it did not work! THE TEACHER CUT OFF MY APOLOGY. Oh so conveniently, nobody seems to have noticed this fact yet.

now you're going to ignore that I said that and say "don't shout". Well, read it this time.

 

[kdm31091]

Well when I finally do try to make a point nobody answers. Typical.

 

[Abbie]

I really didn't lift much of anything

So did you or didn't you? Even "lifting" a little would be wrong.

 

[lesroi]

Without knowing anything about that site Tracy, shut up. You don't even know why I was banned, and they ban like crazy on there.

And btw, lesroi/Tracy you DID say the DIS was the cause. You said something like if you spent less time here your grades would go up.

And btw, making comments about my mom and dad are really unnessacary. Some of you don't care how much evidence against this guy I have or how valid my parents are - you're mad because I didn't learn something, but yet I did. Stop judging.

And seriously, some of you are just NASTY. It's not nessacary to knock me down at every chance you get.

I do not understand the whole "why he came here for advice". A lot of ADULTS ask advice questions on here, does that mean they don't have real world support? Sheesh.

In all fairness, I do listen, but just because you get advice doesnt mean you take every single piece of it. A lot of times when asking for advice you already know what you're going to do, you just want reinforcement.

AS I SAID SEVERAL TIMES, I TRIED to follow the advice - cancel the meeting and apologize - and it did not work! THE TEACHER CUT OFF MY APOLOGY. Oh so conveniently, nobody seems to have noticed this fact yet.

now you're going to ignore that I said that and say "don't shout". Well, read it this time.

Kevin,

I think we noticed that you said you apologized. That was indeed very big of you. I think what most people noticed more than that was how you called your teacher a "butthole" and proceeded to continue to be quite disrespectful of him. And how you, rather than encouraging your parents to cancel the meeting because you were in the wrong, went ahead and let them go to your teacher.

Can you see this from your teacher's point of view? This is his job. His job isn't only to teach you english, it is to help you learn life lessons as well. You have probably made him very defensive by having your parents and the Principal get involved, right? That could be why he cut you off on your apology. I can understand why he might be angry.

Unfortunately in life, you will find that there are teachers, superiors in your job, etc. that you just don't like and don't agree with. Part of becoming an adult is figuring out how to coexist with those persons, and how to be the bigger person. I think you might be on your way if you would take some of the advice of the other posters on this thread. Sometimes you have to take a lump or two to learn something. Trust me, your parents will be (or SHOULD BE) very proud of you when they realize that you have matured into a respectful young man.


Tracy

 

[kdm31091]

Kevin,

I think we noticed that you said you apologized. That was indeed very big of you. I think what most people noticed more than that was how you called your teacher a "butthole" and proceeded to continue to be quite disrespectful of him. And how you, rather than encouraging your parents to cancel the meeting because you were in the wrong, went ahead and let them go to your teacher.

Can you see this from your teacher's point of view? This is his job. His job isn't only to teach you english, it is to help you learn life lessons as well. You have probably made him very defensive by having your parents and the Principal get involved, right? That could be why he cut you off on your apology. I can understand why he might be angry.

Unfortunately in life, you will find that there are teachers, superiors in your job, etc. that you just don't like and don't agree with. Part of becoming an adult is figuring out how to coexist with those persons, and how to be the bigger person. I think you might be on your way if you would take some of the advice of the other posters on this thread. Sometimes you have to take a lump or two to learn something. Trust me, your parents will be (or SHOULD BE) very proud of you when they realize that you have matured into a respectful young man.


Tracy

Well, I know why he's angry, but I still do disagree with him as does everyone except for himself. Like I said, nobody in the room responded when he read some of the "correlations". And he was slow and stammering when he was looking for them.

As someone said, it's really out of my hands now. My parents are going to be handling it. Whatever happens happens, but I don't think anything will change. I'm not getting the points. So whatever happens now is just going to be futile. But I do want to try because I truthfully think that my school needs to improve their CONTEXT skills. Everytime someone remotely approaches a rule it's an automatic thing - they never look at the context. That's not effective!

I understand where he's coming from - I guess. Very barely, anyway. he was very cocky and rude to my parents btw. He basically treated them like IDIOTS. He just left the room without even saying thanks for your time and whatnot. That was REALLY insulting to me, to see him treating my family like we're a bunch of drunk hicks. So I'm sorry, I don't hold respect for the guy.

And for the record, all of the disrespectful talk was not really from me. It was from a mixture of people's comments and my parents. Nobody likes this guy.

 

[kdm31091]

I'm glad you think I'm respectful. Most people IRL do truly think I'm mature for my age. It doesn't show on forums much, I admit, but in real life I'm truly better.

I just wish some people weren't so CRUEL towards me. Whether intentional or not, I don't think asking for advice is a reason for people to yell. In my book if you're gonna be rude, just stay out of the thread, even if you disagree vehemently.

Make sure you read the bit about the way he acted. He was cocky, and he definetly treated my parents like second class citizens. he even said "my job is important than yours was", to my mother (she was mentioning when she was a teacher). Trust me, he is a real butthole.

 

[Feralpeg]

Well when I finally do try to make a point nobody answers. Typical.

What's the point? You're right. We're all wrong even though many of us have a lot more experience than you.

I don't believe anyone was knocking your parents. We were just pointing out that pushing this may came back to you in a negative way.

Good luck! I see no reason to continue with this conversation.

 

[kdm31091]

That's fine, but I still think it's relevant that he treated my parents like complete trailor trash. It was REALLY offensive.

I never said you're all wrong, or anything, but some of your are very harsh in your delivery of advice.

 

[Serena]

Well kid, you stepped into it big time. Welcome to the dis.

I think there are all kinds of lessons here, listen carefully.
Be careful what you put in writing, it can turn around and bite you in the behind.
Be careful what you say, it can bite the other cheek.
A lot of people, when questioned and doubted, they start to doubt themselves, I know I do sometimes You start believing that maybe they're right and then no one knows what's right and what isn't.
Believe in yourself, if you don't, it's really hard for others to believe in you.

When a teacher or anyone in authority says not to do something. Don't do it. Don't even have it look similar to doing it. And if you decide you must, make sure you are willing to fight for the right, or admit you are wrong and accept what comes.
Pick your battles. Winning a battle may well cost you further problems. What you do today will have an impact to how you are seen and what you will be able to do in the future.

The dis is a wonderful place. But as you see, it's not always pixie dust. Be prepared with the flame suit or just don't put it out here.

I wish you lots of luck.

One more thing, I know you're 15, and I know lots of people do it, but bad mouthing people is not cool. I have to edit, I know I've done it too, but I shouldn't.

stepping off my soapbox now.

 

[Hedy]

Sorry, that's a teachers job. So maybe the fact that this teacher SUCKS and has over 30+ complaints so far in his 6 years or so (documented complaints on teacher ratings sites, he has the worst in my school!), speaks volumes!

My father knows some former teachers at my school. They all agreed this should be pursued. They also vouched that my teacher does not have the best record.

A bad reputation on the Internet? Now that's the greatest reason to judge a teacher ever.

And I really hope this lesson about plagiarism sinks in before college.

 

[kdm31091]

A bad reputation on the Internet? Now that's the greatest reason to judge a teacher ever.

And I really hope this lesson about plagiarism sinks in before college.

I disagree. Who cares WHERE it was written? it was written by REAL students who had real problems. So I don't think it matters.

Excuse me, did you read how he treated my parents?

 

[kdm31091]

Well kid, you stepped into it big time. Welcome to the dis.

I think there are all kinds of lessons here, listen carefully.
Be careful what you put in writing, it can turn around and bite you in the behind.
Be careful what you say, it can bite the other cheek.
A lot of people, when questioned and doubted, they start to doubt themselves, I know I do sometimes You start believing that maybe they're right and then no one knows what's right and what isn't.
Believe in yourself, if you don't, it's really hard for others to believe in you.

When a teacher or anyone in authority says not to do something. Don't do it. Don't even have it look similar to doing it. And if you decide you must, make sure you are willing to fight for the right, or admit you are wrong and accept what comes.
Pick your battles. Winning a battle may well cost you further problems. What you do today will have an impact to how you are seen and what you will be able to do in the future.

The dis is a wonderful place. But as you see, it's not always pixie dust. Be prepared with the flame suit or just don't put it out here.

I wish you lots of luck.

One more thing, I know you're 15, and I know lots of people do it, but bad mouthing people is not cool. I have to edit, I know I've done it too, but I shouldn't.

stepping off my soapbox now.

Well unfortunately, even if this has an impact on my future (which I do think is stretching things a little), I do want to fight for it. I only doubted myself, like you said, because of the doubt around me.

However, the guy treated my parents like crap, so now it's a war! LOL

 

[Feralpeg]

That's fine, but I still think it's relevant that he treated my parents like complete trailor trash. It was REALLY offensive.

I never said you're all wrong, or anything, but some of your are very harsh in your delivery of advice.

There is never a reason for a teacher to be rude to a parent or to a student, for that matter. If this happened, the teacher was wrong.

You need to understand that you set the tone for this thread. You started out by telling us that you did something you knew to be wrong, yet you thought you should not have been punished for doing so. When we disagreed, you became defensive. No matter how you paint it, I will never agree that you were in the right in the way you did your paper.

I do think that you did the right thing by talking with your teacher. But, since I wasn't there and, considering the your tone in this thread regarding your teacher, it is pretty easy for me to imagine that you approached him with an attitude. If my students come at me with an attitude, they will get attitude right back. If you had sincerely approached your teacher with an apology and the promise to not repeat the mistake, you would have, most likely, put yourself in a better light. That doesn't mean the teacher should have changed your grade. I would not have changed your grade. What is past is past. Being sorry doesn't change the fact that you did the wrong thing.

I understand that your parents are now involved and the situation is somewhat out of your hands. That's a shame. Your best bet, IMHO, is not to fan the flames. Try to let your parents calm down if possible. If they give you a chance, tell them you'd like to let it go. Admit that you didn't really understand the rule, but now you do and think you should take responsibility for your actions.

I sincerely hope you can work this out. You seem like a nice young man, but you have to learn that we must all play by the rules.

 

[kdm31091]

There is never a reason for a teacher to be rude to a parent or to a student, for that matter. If this happened, the teacher was wrong.

You need to understand that you set the tone for this thread. You started out by telling us that you did something you knew to be wrong, yet you thought you should not have been punished for doing so. When we disagreed, you became defensive. No matter how you paint it, I will never agree that you were in the right in the way you did your paper.

I do think that you did the right thing by talking with your teacher. But, since I wasn't there and, considering the your tone in this thread regarding your teacher, it is pretty easy for me to imagine that you approached him with an attitude. If my students come at me with an attitude, they will get attitude right back. If you had sincerely approached your teacher with an apology and the promise to not repeat the mistake, you would have, most likely, put yourself in a better light. That doesn't mean the teacher should have changed your grade. I would not have changed your grade. What is past is past. Being sorry doesn't change the fact that you did the wrong thing.

I understand that your parents are now involved and the situation is somewhat out of your hands. That's a shame. Your best bet, IMHO, is not to fan the flames. Try to let your parents calm down if possible. If they give you a chance, tell them you'd like to let it go. Admit that you didn't really understand the rule, but now you do and think you should take responsibility for your actions.

I sincerely hope you can work this out. You seem like a nice young man, but you have to learn that we must all play by the rules.

In all honesty, I did not approach the teacher with any kind of attitude. I know it would seem I did, but in real life I'm pretty controlled. Besides, I only got about 2 words in before he cut me off.

I realize I may have done the wrong thing, but if my parents feel so strongly, I'm going to let them do what they want. They did speak to former teachers at the school (who knew my eng. teacher), which I would call a pretty good source.

As for him being rude, he was, more than once.

My mom said something about it being his job to grade papers after school. She talked about her past teaching. He said "well our jobs are different; mine is more important than yours was". That is rude.

He also tried to make my dad look like an idiot. He looked at my dad like he had 3 heads when my dad asked exactly what the teacher is accusing me of doing.

Sorry, but if you've messed with my parents as this guy has, I really cannot and do not want to stop them from taking it further.

 

[Feralpeg]

In all honesty, I did not approach the teacher with any kind of attitude. I know it would seem I did, but in real life I'm pretty controlled. Besides, I only got about 2 words in before he cut me off.

I realize I may have done the wrong thing, but if my parents feel so strongly, I'm going to let them do what they want. They did speak to former teachers at the school (who knew my eng. teacher), which I would call a pretty good source.

As for him being rude, he was, more than once.

My mom said something about it being his job to grade papers after school. She talked about her past teaching. He said "well our jobs are different; mine is more important than yours was". That is rude.

He also tried to make my dad look like an idiot. He looked at my dad like he had 3 heads when my dad asked exactly what the teacher is accusing me of doing.

Sorry, but if you've messed with my parents as this guy has, I really cannot and do not want to stop them from taking it further.

Well, I do hope you can work this out for the best.

 

[kdm31091]

Alright thanks. I'll let you guys know when something develops.

 

[Hannathy]

Wow talk about the kettle calling the pot black! How can your Mom call anyone on doing their job when it is obvious from your posts that she has totally abandoned her job. No good Mother goes away every weekend unless it is absolutely necessary to put food in her kids mouths. I was a bit tough in my first post but now my heart just aches for you. I have a DD your age and I would just die if she needed to come to a message board to find support and answers to real life problems. No wonder you are having such a rough time in school and life, children should not be raising themselves. If your Mom put half the energy into being there for you that she is putting into this fight you all would be better off. Is your Dad home? Do you go to a church? I really think you need to find some human support and friendship because the computer screen can be a very biting environment, it can be friendly too but at your age you need more. I just went and hugged my 15 yr old DD who is in the same room watching TV after a grueling Final's week and wished someone would give you one.

Life isn't fair, some teachers are jerks, some bosses are jerks, you just play by the rules and do the best you can. What do you want to get out of the situation at this point? Was doing another paper ever brought up? I really feel for you because you have to go into school on Monday and deal with this teacher. I think you need to talk this over with your parents and decide where this is going to go. I certainly wouldn't go in with an attitude. Hang in there you won't be 15 for ever but there will always be jerks.

 

[kdm31091]

My mom is NOT a bad mom; i kind of resent that. No, I don't love that she leaves on weekends, but I'm old enough to take care of myself now. My mom-mom is here some of the time, other times I just go to my dad's - he doesn't live here.

As for facing the teacher, doesn't faze me. I don't care what he thinks. I want to win this battle, and I have no choice but to go with the flow. So instead of telling me what I should have done, let's just focus on what actually happened and cames to fruition. I have to deal with this now, so I don't want to stress. I'm gonna go with the flow, and see what happens.

Doing another paper was brought up. Simple as this: I asked, he said no.

All I want out of this situation is for my name to be clear. The teacher and principal seemed to only half believe that I truly read the book, after all.

 

[poohandwendy]

OP,

A few points to consider:
The reason people are not responding to "Don't you understand, my teacher is an idiot, he treated my parents poorly, people don't like him"....etc, is because that is totally irrelevant to the issue. The issue is plagiarism, your report and grade.

You went from upset that he thought you plagiarized and failed you, to upset that he is a bad teacher, mean to your parents, etc.

If your parents want to fight him on those separate issues, that is another story.

You seem to have lost sight of one thing and that is that you did plagarize. You have a teacher, a totally unbiased one, telling you this is plagiarism. That fact cannot be ignored because of other side issues. It doesn't matter that you read the book. It doesn't matter that you spent hours on the report. It doesn't matter that your parents are mad. It doesn't matter that this teacher isn't a popular one. It doesn't matter that the principal and guidance counsellor didn't say much in the meeting. It matters that you plagiarized in your report. And that the punishment for plagarizing is a failing grade.

People here are treating you as they would any other adult. The only person who has been yelling and getting upset is you.

I suggest stepping back for a while and really considering the responses you have received in an objective way. We are not just a bunch of teacher-loving, teen-hating people. We really don't have any stock in this situation or emotional involvement, so we are just answering based on what you have said and the tone in your posts.

I hope, above all, that in this you actually learn what plagiarism means. It seems like that part is not getting through to you, I hope it is. Please reread this, from feralpeg:

If you use the basic content of a source without giving credit, you are guilty of plagiarism. This is true even if you don't use a single word from the original source.

Maybe one of these definitions will help you understand. It does not have to be verbatim. :

Plagiarism is presenting someone else’s work as if it were your own, whether you mean to or not. ‘Someone else’s work’ means anything that is not your own idea, even if it is presented in your own style. It includes material from books, journals or any other printed source, the work of other students or staff, information from the Internet, software programs and other electronic material, designs and ideas. It also includes the organization or structuring of any such material. ...

The submission by a student of the words, ideas, images, or data of another person as the student's own in any academic writing, essay, thesis, research project, or assignment in a course or program of study.

the act of appropriating the literary composition of another author, or excerpts, ideas, or passages therefrom, and passing the material off as one's own creation.

Taking, using, and passing off as your own, the ideas or words or work of another.

Bottom line, you "logged onto Sparknotes.com, and used their online book notes, IN CONJUNCTION with the book right in front of me, and wrote my report." Your teacher recognized their work and failed you. It really is that simple. As a sophomore in HS, you really should know this is plagarism.