Help w/aggression

irish dancer

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I was considering posting on the Behavior Challenge thread since it has to do with aggression but thought I'd put it on it's own. Looking for some help and/or guidance. Here's the situation:

DS is 9 and in the 4th grade. His dx is PDD-NOS/ASD and was received when he was 5yrs. Since 1st grade he's been in a self-contained spec ed classroom with increasing mainstreaming as the years have gone by. This year he is mainstreamed for math, science and social studies.

One big problem I have with our district is that spec ed services are spread out throughout the district which means DS has changed schools 4 times in the 6 1/2 yrs he's been in school. That also means different support staff (OT, SW, speech, etc). DS has actually transitioned pretty well each time and honestly he doesn't know any different.

What we're facing this year is completely new and unchartered territory for us though. DS has started to become physically aggressive at school, hitting, pushing, etc. Primarily this has been between him and one other student in his self-contained classroom who we'll call "Bob". At the beginning of the year I was so excited because the teacher told me DS and Bob seemed to be really hitting if off - finally a friend! Somewhere along the line though it has now turned into something entirely different. There are two incidents I'm aware of, they had an arguement one day over whether all people have two eyes or if people can have one eye. This resulted in my son hitting Bob. The second incident occurred last week. My DS, Bob and one other student from their class mainstream into the same classroom for math, science and social studies. This other student took DSs colored pencil, he took it back and Bob took it away from DS which resulted in DS jabbing Bob in the shoulder with a pencil. There was no TA there at the time so this is the version of the story the staff has pieced together. DS received an out of school suspension for both incidents. There have been a couple of other lesser incidents (pulling a child's hood at recess, pushing a child in gym when he stole DSs ball in bball).

Now yesterday we received a letter via the principal from Bob's parents stating they called the local police regarding the pencil jabbing incident and are threatening to file a report with the police if DS "comes near their child and physically handles him in a way that they see is unfit".

Help!

We've had numerous talks with DS about these issues, he knows the rule is keep hands and feet to himself, he can recite what he's supposed to do when someone is bothering him, we've put penalties and rewards in place regarding his behavior. We've never faced this type of issue before, in the past he would flee when things were stressing him out. Last year he was the receiver of physical aggression from another student so I know how the family feels but to call the police?!

Ugh, I used to dread seeing the school number on the caller id. Now I fear it!

What do we do now?
 
You need to come up with a plan with the school to deal with this during the school day. First, a meeting should take place to discuss the situation, and get a behavioral plan started. Sounds like there should be a TA assigned during interaction times as well.

You might also want to schedule an appt with your son's pediatrician, especially if he is on any medication and has had a growth spurt recently.

You sound like a good, caring, sympathetic mom - don't beat yourself up over this!
 
The school should have called an IEP meeting after the first incident. Calling the police is pretty much an admission that they are failing to meet your child’s needs. Call an IEP (tomorrow morning) an let them know that he is not being adequately supported and you are requesting a 1 on 1 paraprofessional who is trained in autism genetics to monitor his anxiety, frustration and to maintain an appropriate environment for him

bookwormde
 
The school should have called an IEP meeting after the first incident. Calling the police is pretty much an admission that they are failing to meet your child’s needs. Call an IEP (tomorrow morning) an let them know that he is not being adequately supported and you are requesting a 1 on 1 paraprofessional who is trained in autism genetics to monitor his anxiety, frustration and to maintain an appropriate environment for him

bookwormde

Woah - way to go overboard!!!!!! IEP meeting after a verbal report of one student 'hitting' another one? In elementary school? The teachers would never be in classrooms, they'd be in IEP meetings all the time. If the other student was injured, then an IEP meeting is in order.

Paraprofessional "trained" in 'autism genetics' - paraprofessionals in our area have high school diplomas, maybe Assoc. degrees, and tutors have a BS degree in a related field. Good luck finding someone who wants to work for peanuts, put up with all the crap, and has been "trained" in 'autism genetics', which sounds like a 3rd or 4th year college course (except for the 'trained part').
 

To OP - first :hug:
2nd OMG - the Parents called the police. I thought pollice were supposed to break up drug rings and arrest murder suspects not be bothered by some over reacting parent who's little Timmy got jabbed with a pencil.

As this has escalated I absolutely agree with Bookwormde about the IEP.

I would also be concerned there was no TA around when this happened. Why were these kids unsupervised?

Good Luck

-A
 
Schmeck,

Yes a absolutely a IEP meeting after the first hitting incident, this is a new developing behavior and an enviroment which was inadaquately monitored and if it escalated to this level it is clear that the IEP is not meeting the child’s needs. You can see the results of not handling the firsts incident correctly. The IEP is supposed to be a proactive process not a reactive process.

The fact the school thought the appropriate action was to call the police rather than an IEP meeting demonstrates that the school does not have the skills to meet the child’s needs.

We have lots of dedicated paras that take every opportunity to get higher-level training when it is offered, but it has to be offered. Most paras that are dedicated, do it because they know how important their job is for the future of children, certainly not for the money.

bookwormde
 
OP - Clarification - the school didn't call the police but rather the parents did? I go the impression the parents of "Bob" call the police and the school was just relaying the information to you.
 
Schmeck,


The fact the school thought the appropriate action was to call the police rather than an IEP meeting demonstrates that the school does not have the skills to meet the child’s needs.

We have lots of dedicated paras that take every opportunity to get higher-level training when it is offered, but it has to be offered. Most paras that are dedicated, do it because they know how important their job is for the future of children, certainly not for the money.

bookwormde

According to the OP, the school didn't call the police - the principal delivered a letter from the parents of the other child saying the parents had contacted the police.

I hope your paras get compensation - an increase on the pay scale and reimbursement for the classes taken. Our paras don't even get paid a living wage, so spending their own money is out of the question. We are all dedicated to the children, but it tends to be an underpaid and thankless job. We get blamed for everything, when we only have 30 hours a week with a child at the most. Most parents don't follow through with training at home, and expect miracles to happen at school.
 
My missread on the OP post. Sounds like the other parents are eqully frustrated with the schools inability to meet the needs of its SPED students if they felt the need to call the police to get the schools attention.

Schmeck, your district is violating both NCLB and IDEA by not offering and paying for trianing of the Paras.

Paras in our area start at 22k but get tenure raises each year, but also get the same benefits as teachers (typicaly about a 12-15k package). Less than what they should get for what they contribute.

Every parnet I know of a child with a para is very appricaitive and consider them a "godsend".

bookwormde
 
Thanks for all the responses to my problem.

Yes, it was the parents of the other child that phoned the police and have threatened to file a report. I think it may be a combination of them being frustrated and being "those" kind of parents.

We did have an IEP earlier in January to update his behavioral plan and address these issues. It was a positive meeting and I actually did point out that I felt we were always reacting to problems rather than anticipating and avoiding them. The pencil jabbing incident occurred when no TA was with them in the room which is the problem. The principal had been with them but was called out for another problem and so they were left without the added support.

After receiving that letter I did send an email to the principal, teacher and social worker sharing with them how upset we were to recieve such a letter. We have set up another meeting for next Wednesday (they were willing to meet the following day but at a time that I couldn't make it). The social worker did respond with a very nice email agreeing that they have failed to make his transition a smooth one. I'm really hoping that we can get things going in a more positive direction.

I do have to say that this week has been stellar for DS. His teacher had put together a checklist type monitoring sheet for him (he likes lists). Things like keeping hands and feet to self, staying in his seat, completing assignments, following directions, not arguing/debating, etc are monitored for each part of the day. At the end of the day he gets a score. This week he hasn't gotten anything lower than 93% and one day even got 100%. It was funny too, that day DS told me it was his "best day ever"!

As far as the TAs here, to the best of my knowledge the requirement is a high school diploma. I don't know that they do any continuing education but honestly I don't know. To be sure I'll be asking at our meeting next week. To be totally honest I don't even know that the principal has all that much expertise on Autism just based on things she has said. She wasn't at the meeting in January because the superintendent was visiting that day so I'll be interested to see what she has to say next week.
 












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